Finally, we have a common sense ruling from a honest judge. A federal judge in Florida has ruled that the CNC had exceeded its authority and struck down Joe Biden’s mandate for masks on public transportation. Of course the media went crazy so the Biden administration has filed an appeal because he thinks he and his agenda driven CNC knows more than we do. The fact is that after all his lies nobody believes him or the liberal media rats( fake news).

Totally agree... if only the rest of the world would wake up...

after the CDC's confessions of lying to the public about wearing masks and face shields under white house guidance during the most infectious period of covid, which aided in the spread of the disease.
the biden/fauci compact should have no say about a darn thing any longer regarding it. now that covid is known not to be a major threat, to any one with out several pre existing major health risks.

In my original post I mistakenly texted CNC instead of CDC . I’m sure most knew what I meant, but this clarification is for the people here that want to gripe about misspellings and bad punctuation.

1. The Public Health Service Act is a United States federal law enacted in 1944. Read it.

2. Talk to some friends and relatives of the millions who have died from covid related causes.

3. Talk to some health care workers who have to tend to those suffering, or dying, from covid.



By your logic, why even have bathrooms on planes.

Why force people to walk down a the narrow aisle of a plane, filled with folks picking their feet, changing soiled diapers, and doing God knows what else, to a small room in the back just to take a pee? Why not let them just pee in their seats? Or on the floor? Or on the person in the seat next to them?

Yup, and I said that from the word go, as did some others on here, and we were not believed.
It only took 84 pages here of some trying to tell and convince people how serious it was, people eagerly absorbing the fear-based stuff etc. etc. to discover that. And many probably still don't see it isn't such a serious threat at all.
And the ones who fed that fear-based crap never say, "Oops, I was wrong. Sorry..."

In the meantime billions have been injected with some substance that we still don't know what it'll do in the long run, nor what exactly was/is in it.
It has cost billions too, and has had basically no effect, nor was it necessary.

I suppose we now all pay the price for the whole endeavour with super expensive gas, petrol, food, etc. etc.

YOU CAN NOT WAKE A WOKE.....GO WOKE, GO BROKE......

ITS ALREADY STARTED THE LIBERALS WILL FINALLY COME

TO JUSTICE.....THEY EAT THERE OWN.................

They will never admit they were Wrong, that’s the reason they keep screwing up and causing distrust for this government. Only 34% approve of the job they are doing but they keep on keeping on…. But what you said really says it all.

Comparing defecating and urinating on seats and floors of planes to breathing some of the safest air? Brilliant way to show the ridiculousness of radical positions on many topics. SMH

No one has said if you CHOOSE to wear a mask you can't do so on a plane. It would be personally irresponsible for people with a medical condition that makes them at a high risk of hospitalization or death not to wear a mask. Yeah there it is again on this thread, that thing you oppose on another thread, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

FORCING people at little to no risk to wear a mask on a plane that has some of PUREST, if not the purest, air with it's filtration and circulation systems is evidence of bureaucratic authoritarianism.

I think you should wear as many masks as you want, where ever you want. If the government were to ban masks in public, on planes etc. I would defend your RIGHT to wear a mask......but that seems to be the difference between you and I, unlike you I defend the right of people to do something I don't do.

I think you need to do some research on the air cycling systems of commercial airplanes, not to mention buses, and subway cars.

Here is some research for ya.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/10/15/coronavirus-study-finds-jetliners-safer-than-operating-rooms/3665469001/

"A new study conducted for the Department of Defense adds credence to the growing belief that airline passengers face minimal risk of contracting coronavirus when flying.

The study found the risk of aerosol dispersion – transmission of the virus through the air – was reduced 99.7% thanks to high air exchange rates, HEPA-filtered recirculation and downward ventilation found on modern jets.


https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/cabin-air-quality

"The FAA is committed to protecting the safety and health of passengers and cabin crews on our nation's airlines. The FAA has strict cabin air standards, and studies have shown cabin air is as good as or better than the air found in offices and homes."

I heard today the the HEPA filters used on air liners, are the same ones used in hospital operating rooms. It only makes complete sense to use those. When a company can punch those out by the millions, the price can drop. And they would be more available.

did you read the actual research paper John? Results are not always as they seem .

“After seeing some initial reactions to the study, the authors of this study are concerned about the potential misinterpretation of the findings, based on some hypothetical calculations originally included as discussion points. In particular, the viral aerosol production rates, infectious dose and general assumptions used to estimate a flight time of 54 hours to produce an infection are hypothetical and were not designed to provide actionable information about viral risk during flight, safe flight times or seating capacity.

determining infection risk from viral RNA copies is not currently possible.

The infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2 in humans is also unknown

Finally, the data in this study is relevant only to a single mode of transmission: aerosol. CONTACT transmission and DROPLET transmission are not considered. Furthermore, the impact of human behavior on aerosol transport in the airframe was not considered. MOVEMENT of people up and down the aisles, or even simply the act of turning your head to talk to your neighbor could not be considered. Human actions have been shown to significantly contribute to aerosol movement in the built environment (e.g. Wang and Chow [7]), and therefore the results of this study represent a baseline understanding of how the aircraft air-handling systems impact the transport of aerosols throughout the aircraft.
Taken in context, the data from this study indicate that the airplane environment significantly reduces the exposure to aerosol generated by passengers, especially compared to other indoor environments. However, the current established scientific understanding of SARS-CoV-2 transmission dynamics is not sufficient to calculate definitive SARS-CoV-2 transmission risk from these measurements of aerosol transport . ”

http://www.ustranscom.mil/cmd/docs/TRANSCOM%20Report%20Final.pdf

How clean is the air on airplanes?
In simple terms, the air you breathe on a plane is almost certainly cleaner than the stuff you’d be breathing indoors on land. It may not be as pure as getting out to nature, but it’s better than the air you breathe in coffee shops, movie theaters or grocery stores.

This is as a result of the efficient air circulation systems and HEPA filters that are found on the majority of modern commercial flights.

According to National Geographic, 40% of the cabin’s air is recycled through this system while 60% is taken from outside. On most planes, the air in the cabin is completely replaced every three minutes.

What does HEPA stand for?
HEPA stands for High Efficiency Particulate Air and is a common type of filter used on planes.

What HEPA filters do, essentially, is to remove any impurities in the air, no matter how small. A New York Times report and this NASA study show that this includes tiny COVID-19 microns.

In fact, according to NASA research, HEPA filters remove impurities of COVID size with 99.97% efficiency.

How clean is the air on airplanes?
In simple terms, the air you breathe on a plane is almost certainly cleaner than the stuff you’d be breathing indoors on land. It may not be as pure as getting out to nature, but it’s better than the air you breathe in coffee shops, movie theaters or grocery stores.

This is as a result of the efficient air circulation systems and HEPA filters that are found on the majority of modern commercial flights.

According to National Geographic, 40% of the cabin’s air is recycled through this system while 60% is taken from outside. On most planes, the air in the cabin is completely replaced every three minutes.

What does HEPA stand for?
HEPA stands for High Efficiency Particulate Air and is a common type of filter used on planes.

What HEPA filters do, essentially, is to remove any impurities in the air, no matter how small. A New York Times report and this NASA study show that this includes tiny COVID-19 microns.

In fact, according to NASA research, HEPA filters remove impurities of COVID size with 99.97% efficiency.

Has NASA tested filters with a live covid virus ????

But but but 99.97% efficiency isn't 100% so it's not justification for bureaucrats and politicians to relinquish the authoritarian power they gave themselves because of Covid-19.

Unless someone is wearing a N95 or KN95 face mask PROPERLY wearing a mask isn't very protective.....and N95 or KN95 masks WEREN'T mandated on airplanes, trains,buses or anywhere else for the general public.


University of Waterloo study:

N95 or KN95 face masks may be the best way to avoid COVID-19 during crowded indoor events. That’s the recommendation from a new study reporting most cloth masks just don’t do the job when it comes to stopping the spread of coronavirus within enclosed spaces.

Researchers from the University of Waterloo simulated a person breathing in a large room with a cloth face mask on. Despite wearing a cloth mask, the study finds a large buildup of aerosol droplets suspended in the air.

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Basically the study found that that the masks, MOSTLY cloth masks, people wear on airplanes DON'T stop aerosol droplets.

you know, for some people it is harder to trust one of the most trusted scientific organizations on the planet, then it is to trust the CDC, and other government organizations, who have admitted to lying to us from the start. and shown proof of their own deceit to the public.

blondie knows about them lying about the effectiveness of masking, but she's still willing to fall on their sword to protect wearing them.

honestly I dont get the back lash. no one is saying people can not wear masks if they wish.
they are only no longer forcing you to do so.
if you dont.

as a health professional who deals with infectious diseases I find your comment about me insulting and disrespectful . Stick to the topic and refrain fromMaking ignorant baseless insinuations about what I know.

the masks help me identify
this is the intrinsic value