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Topic: Phases/changes
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Wed 11/17/21 09:47 AM
In recent years, more and more I've begun to see that most of what I've always viewed as my own opinion and individuality as being little more than
the result of sort of being mid-way between various overlapping phases.

In recent years since divorce I phased through: depressed, bitter, angry, cynical, jaded in various combinations till eventually happy as.


I lost my brother to covid a couple of months ago guys...
Sort of set off a change or re-evaluation of values.

What's left of individuality when your foundation of values moves and the self re-afirming emotional constructs built upon them are reduced to rubble?

peoples personalities aren't fixed,on many levels. Just going through thier own phases. At bottom we aren't so different.

so My question is, why do we assume people are always the same as our immediate perception of them?

And can we really assume that our perception of ourselves at any given time is little more than a snapshot of our own internal narrative and as such a product of an ever changing form of self justification?


I know it's a bit of a rant.. you can always say "na you're just bat sh 1 t crazy mate"

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Wed 11/17/21 10:04 AM
I'll toss in a vote for bat sh.t crazyπŸ€ͺlaugh

My condolences on the loss of your brother. :heart:




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Wed 11/17/21 10:31 AM

I'll toss in a vote for bat sh.t crazyπŸ€ͺlaugh

My condolences on the loss of your brother. :heart:






lol. Thanks :-)

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Wed 11/17/21 11:29 AM
why do we assume people are always the same as our immediate perception of them?

And can we really assume that our perception of ourselves at any given time is little more than a snapshot of our own internal narrative and as such a product of an ever changing form of self justification?

One of the changes I've gone thru is removing expectations and assumptions from consideration.
I now focus on the here and now.

In accuracy, our immediate perception is the most valid. Especially when there is no history for reference about someone. Its when we try to assume about someone else that we make mistakes which often have consequences. When we lay our expectations of others we substitute who they actually are with who we think they need to be. Focusing on someone as they are right now to you frees both of you to see each other as you are.
If I assume someone will do me wrong and expect it, even tho they never actually do me wrong, I've changed the condition of our aquaintance based on my own fears. Its not fair to them or me.

My personal perception of me is an ever-changing flux of my personality and opportunity. I do manage to keep my alignment and moral standards but the current manifestation of myself reflects how I am at that time more than how I was or could be. My experiences in life guide my personal wisdom but they do not rule my personality. I remain flexible and optimistic.

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Wed 11/17/21 01:55 PM

why do we assume people are always the same as our immediate perception of them?

And can we really assume that our perception of ourselves at any given time is little more than a snapshot of our own internal narrative and as such a product of an ever changing form of self justification?

One of the changes I've gone thru is removing expectations and assumptions from consideration.
I now focus on the here and now.

In accuracy, our immediate perception is the most valid. Especially when there is no history for reference about someone. Its when we try to assume about someone else that we make mistakes which often have consequences. When we lay our expectations of others we substitute who they actually are with who we think they need to be. Focusing on someone as they are right now to you frees both of you to see each other as you are.
If I assume someone will do me wrong and expect it, even tho they never actually do me wrong, I've changed the condition of our aquaintance based on my own fears. Its not fair to them or me.

My personal perception of me is an ever-changing flux of my personality and opportunity. I do manage to keep my alignment and moral standards but the current manifestation of myself reflects how I am at that time more than how I was or could be. My experiences in life guide my personal wisdom but they do not rule my personality. I remain flexible and optimistic.


valid points Tom.

Just lost my equlibrium for a time, ya know? Kind of have to force myself to be sociable. For my own good :-) Before I analize myself to death.
You could have just gone with bat sh 1 t crazy you know, would have saved time. :-)


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Wed 11/17/21 01:59 PM
I have no clue about what your rant was all about , in fact , now I am more confused than ever

But my deepest sympathies on the loss of your brother ...

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Wed 11/17/21 02:01 PM

I have no clue about what your rant was all about , in fact , now I am more confused than ever

But my deepest sympathies on the loss of your brother ...


Thanks Slim. You going with bat sh 1 t crazy?

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Wed 11/17/21 02:13 PM


I have no clue about what your rant was all about , in fact , now I am more confused than ever

But my deepest sympathies on the loss of your brother ...


Thanks Slim. You going with bat sh 1 t crazy?


You welcome ... hope all is well with you now !!!

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Wed 11/17/21 02:34 PM



I have no clue about what your rant was all about , in fact , now I am more confused than ever

But my deepest sympathies on the loss of your brother ...


Thanks Slim. You going with bat sh 1 t crazy?


You welcome ... hope all is well with you now !!!


yea I'm fine m8. just sort of questioning my own existance, you know?

of an evening..

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Wed 11/17/21 02:49 PM
Edited by SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž on Wed 11/17/21 02:52 PM
I also don't really know what you mean...
I've never been through the phases you mention. Sure, I've been hurt, badly too. When I tell professionals what I've been through in life (incl childhood) they're always deeply shocked.

I think the most difficult time was 10 years with a narcissist and loads of abuse, daily, all version of abuse in existence. That was the toughest chit and don't think anyone could imagine what that is like.
But I'm always focused on the positive, on learning, growing, and even after I got out with my sanity still intact I was looking at what I could learn from that situation.

Bitter cynical depressed etc. isn't me really but I guess they can be phases to go through.

Looking back on life I just see growth, in spite of all the difficulties I've encountered. Always things to course-correct of course, more things to learn & do.

Again, I may misunderstand your intention with the topic. If so ignore what I said :)

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Wed 11/17/21 02:54 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/17/21 03:01 PM
Here is my take, and I am probably wrong....
Grief and trauma,(divorce) shatters everything we know, mostly our stability in the belief we are living life right.
Bad things happen to good people, it makes us self reflect on everything, from the choices we have made to our own mortality. Most find their way out of that 'Rabbit hole' eventually, but are never the same person.

As for other people, we do not need to understand/perceive anything about them, just let them be. Everyone is trying to do their best, life is about learning.
Sometimes we get stuck in our heads with no clear answers, that is when we ought to see a counsellor or talk to friends, to help us become unstuck.


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Wed 11/17/21 03:10 PM
Here's something I've been learning about concerning strong feelings, whether good or bad, take the time to just "feel" them. You can do this by holding your hand ( or your 4 finger tips) about 2 inches above your belly button, then just be in the moment and experience the feeling, really feel it. It only takes about 90 seconds. This has worked many times for me and those feelings won't drag you down as much anymore.
Also forgive others for any wrongs they've done to you, forgive yourself too.

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Wed 11/17/21 03:52 PM

I also don't really know what you mean...
I've never been through the phases you mention. Sure, I've been hurt, badly too. When I tell professionals what I've been through in life (incl childhood) they're always deeply shocked.

I think the most difficult time was 10 years with a narcissist and loads of abuse, daily, all version of abuse in existence. That was the toughest chit and don't think anyone could imagine what that is like.
But I'm always focused on the positive, on learning, growing, and even after I got out with my sanity still intact I was looking at what I could learn from that situation.

Bitter cynical depressed etc. isn't me really but I guess they can be phases to go through.

Looking back on life I just see growth, in spite of all the difficulties I've encountered. Always things to course-correct of course, more things to learn & do.

Again, I may misunderstand your intention with the topic. If so ignore what I said :)


thanks for your post Crystal, and that's how i usually think. but theres nothing to be learned and nothing positive for some experiences.

I seem to be having problems expressing myself properly atm. probably best not socializing for a while. :-)

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Wed 11/17/21 04:14 PM

Here is my take, and I am probably wrong....
Grief and trauma,(divorce) shatters everything we know, mostly our stability in the belief we are living life right.
Bad things happen to good people, it makes us self reflect on everything, from the choices we have made to our own mortality. Most find their way out of that 'Rabbit hole' eventually, but are never the same person.

As for other people, we do not need to understand/perceive anything about them, just let them be. Everyone is trying to do their best, life is about learning.
Sometimes we get stuck in our heads with no clear answers, that is when we ought to see a counsellor or talk to friends, to help us become unstuck.


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Your takes prety good actually LW

sort of changes to self going on.

I aint got everything sown up tight. I'm ok not in the pits or anything.

Just not so sure of my own perspectives atm. waving

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Wed 11/17/21 04:23 PM
waving Just trying to help. Please do not isolate.

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

John Donne

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Thu 11/18/21 06:14 AM

waving Just trying to help. Please do not isolate.

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

John Donne


Thanks LW. It takes people in different ways. I painted the outside of the house, put a new loft hatch in, decorated. changed job for something more sociable. discovered dark milk chocolate. :-) moved most of the gaden from one side to the other. sort of wanting to change everything about life.
not melancholly as much as discontent.

just a phase, probably.

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Thu 11/18/21 08:59 AM


I also don't really know what you mean...
I've never been through the phases you mention. Sure, I've been hurt, badly too. When I tell professionals what I've been through in life (incl childhood) they're always deeply shocked.

I think the most difficult time was 10 years with a narcissist and loads of abuse, daily, all version of abuse in existence. That was the toughest chit and don't think anyone could imagine what that is like.
But I'm always focused on the positive, on learning, growing, and even after I got out with my sanity still intact I was looking at what I could learn from that situation.

Bitter cynical depressed etc. isn't me really but I guess they can be phases to go through.

Looking back on life I just see growth, in spite of all the difficulties I've encountered. Always things to course-correct of course, more things to learn & do.

Again, I may misunderstand your intention with the topic. If so ignore what I said :)


thanks for your post Crystal, and that's how i usually think. but theres nothing to be learned and nothing positive for some experiences.

I seem to be having problems expressing myself properly atm. probably best not socializing for a while. :-)


I understand how you feel but I don't agree with that statement. It's a matter of perspective and mindset.

But just go through the phases as they feel good to you :)

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Thu 11/18/21 12:11 PM

so My question is, why do we assume people are always the same as our immediate perception of them?

And can we really assume that our perception of ourselves at any given time is little more than a snapshot of our own internal narrative and as such a product of an ever changing form of self justification?




I'm very sorry to hear about your brother. My deepest condolences.

You are deep; and very eloquent smile2 . Great questions. I think we assume people are always the same because it makes us comfortable. When they start morphing into other beings in front of our eyes, we'll make excuses, blink our eyes and try to get it to focus on something else (preferable what we'd like them to be).

As they continue to change, rather than be ourselves, we also change to fit the "new" person they've become. All the while telling ourselves that this is actually who we want to be. 90% of the time that is incorrect.

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Thu 11/18/21 08:02 PM
Edited by Unknow on Thu 11/18/21 08:08 PM


waving Just trying to help. Please do not isolate.

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

John Donne


Thanks LW. It takes people in different ways. I painted the outside of the house, put a new loft hatch in, decorated. changed job for something more sociable. discovered dark milk chocolate. :-) moved most of the gaden from one side to the other. sort of wanting to change everything about life.
not melancholly as much as discontent.

just a phase, probably.


Yes, you are doing well. You have friends who have been giving you space...but always here for you. :heart:

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Fri 11/19/21 02:15 AM
Hi shakes .. so very sorry to hear about your brother . It must have been such a shock for you and your family . Hope you are all coping ok .

I have never really felt that perception was static nor do I see the discontent you describe as a phase more a process . I think your emotional resilience has taken a hit (and understandably so ). . It is common to feel disconnected when beliefs and value systems are challenged . How we analyse and evaluate (perception ) can have a profound effect on what we feel , how we think and how we react . It is central to emotional regulation and resilience . When we experience internal conflict it can leave us feeling vulnerable, distressed and lost but for many it is a transition that will evolve as we cultivate and recover resilience . There is a saying .. that life is in the transitions ... you will bounce back . Give yourself time and lots of TLC :heart: waving

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