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If you could, would you build a root cellar, have your own garden and livestock and be completely self sufficient? Would you learn the ways of 100 and more years ago, like what plants heal what and how to salt, smoke and preserve food?
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I would, could, and can.
However, there are some modern conveniences that I'd prefer not live without, such as toilet paper. |
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I grew up with that :) We did not have cows, but chickens, pigeons, rabbits and whatnot.
We did get fresh milk from the farmer behind us, often still warm as he just came back from milking. So I grew up with healthy, fresh grown foods and greens etc. A few things we did buy, bread, meat, cheese, etc. My dad also threw in herbs and stuff, like nettles through salad or stew, eating leaves of certain plants when we were out on walks. His idea was not to be self-sufficient, but to eat healthy foods and provide that for his kids too. I, however, do not have that knowledge. But it was passed on regardless as my daughter has serious interest in it. She took my dad's old book on herbs home with her :) |
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Nope. I've got better things to do. And I wouldn't be able to kill and eat something I've raised from a wee one. Plus, no flush toilets and I'm outta there.
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Nah. I feel self sufficient enough with a little veggie garden and a rain barrel. Also, my HOA does not allow cows and chickies. I just looked it up. 🤣
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Ahhhh to live in the woods, mountains or boondocks. No city life or the noise that comes with it. The loudest thing you hear is the sounds of the water in a nearby stream. Grow my own healthy veggies, what a great life it would be. I would do it in an instant.
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That way technology is now days there is no reason why a person should do without when living off the grid
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Old school all the way for me....if it means living a healthier and longer live.
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No, I like my life now.
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Would you learn the ways of 100 and more years ago
100 and more? Heck yeah! I'm going to be Genghis Khan. All Conan the Barbarian (minus the Jorge Sanz bit). "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women." Best in life. like what plants heal what and how to salt, smoke and preserve food?
Oh....Nah. That's okay. I already know some of that. I'd settle for learning some Mad Max Road Warrior car modifications so I can raid, plunder, and enslave the dirty hippies that do, although probably not the cars from 100 years ago... Just can't see an up-armored Model T as better than an off the lot Hummer. Plus, I like that it's an option. Without the modern westernized system, there wouldn't even really be the choice. It would be mandatory to live that way. So I'll take one for the team, and not "learn the ways of 100 and more years ago," to help support the framework that allows people to have that choice. You're welcome. |
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There's a huge number of survival communities on the internet where you can learn all those basic survival needs. I'm a member at a few and even moderate one.
Living in hurricane prone areas its a good idea to have some survival skills and prep. Most of the civilized world would not know what to do with a prolonged power outage let alone a full scale failure of social support mechanisms. Many people would actually die. People take civilization for granted and lose focus on what it takes to stay alive without it because they are never without it...till they are and then its too late. Some survivalist mentalities are over-the-top crazy but everyone should know basic survival skills and have the ability to manufacture what you need from the materials you already have around you at any given time. You eat the wrong plant...you die. You drink bad water...you die. You get too cold/too hot...you die. Stuff like that is a reality you could face in an emergency. You might not have access to medical stuff. You might not have electricity, phone or internet for weeks or months. You might not have transportation or the roads and highways to drive on if you do. If you don't think about survival prep where you are right now, you might want to. You may not be home when you get isolated. Then all the prep supplies you have stowed away in the basement doesn't do you a damn bit of good. |
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There's a huge number of survival communities on the internet where you can learn all those basic survival needs. I'm a member at a few and even moderate one. Living in hurricane prone areas its a good idea to have some survival skills and prep. Most of the civilized world would not know what to do with a prolonged power outage let alone a full scale failure of social support mechanisms. Many people would actually die. People take civilization for granted and lose focus on what it takes to stay alive without it because they are never without it...till they are and then its too late. Some survivalist mentalities are over-the-top crazy but everyone should know basic survival skills and have the ability to manufacture what you need from the materials you already have around you at any given time. You eat the wrong plant...you die. You drink bad water...you die. You get too cold/too hot...you die. Stuff like that is a reality you could face in an emergency. You might not have access to medical stuff. You might not have electricity, phone or internet for weeks or months. You might not have transportation or the roads and highways to drive on if you do. If you don't think about survival prep where you are right now, you might want to. You may not be home when you get isolated. Then all the prep supplies you have stowed away in the basement doesn't do you a damn bit of good. 
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There's a huge number of survival communities on the internet where you can learn all those basic survival needs. I'm a member at a few and even moderate one. Living in hurricane prone areas its a good idea to have some survival skills and prep. Most of the civilized world would not know what to do with a prolonged power outage let alone a full scale failure of social support mechanisms. Many people would actually die. People take civilization for granted and lose focus on what it takes to stay alive without it because they are never without it...till they are and then its too late. Some survivalist mentalities are over-the-top crazy but everyone should know basic survival skills and have the ability to manufacture what you need from the materials you already have around you at any given time. You eat the wrong plant...you die. You drink bad water...you die. You get too cold/too hot...you die. Stuff like that is a reality you could face in an emergency. You might not have access to medical stuff. You might not have electricity, phone or internet for weeks or months. You might not have transportation or the roads and highways to drive on if you do. If you don't think about survival prep where you are right now, you might want to. You may not be home when you get isolated. Then all the prep supplies you have stowed away in the basement doesn't do you a damn bit of good. True. we have become way too dependent on the system. But then, that's also how the system shaped us. A few years ago I wanted to be able to make fire. A basic need in order to stay safe, warm, cook food etc. I'd watched a lot of Ray Mears vids and that triggered me to learn some stuff. The man can make fire anywhere and under any circumstance, including in the rain. I got a few pieces of wood and a stick and made a bow drill. And failed. Then I tried with my fire stick. And failed. I was livid! Totally GRRRRRRRRRRRR I'd actually bought that stick to keep with me (and I did for years) so no matter what and where or what happened, I could make fire! My ex could ---> stronger hands. I did learn it is not nearly as easy as it looks when Ray Mears does it and that he likely practised an awful lot in the past as well. And I learnt it is very important you get the right things, like a good knife to use the fire stick so you get a spark easily. With my hypermobility I cannot keep at it for any length of time. You basically do need a proper bush knife which I ain't got. As for the other method... you need the right wood, a well-made hearth-board & spindle etc. And to make that properly you need... a bush knife. So I guess a decent bush knife is nr 1. For many things, including fire making. |
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There's a huge number of survival communities on the internet where you can learn all those basic survival needs. I'm a member at a few and even moderate one. Living in hurricane prone areas its a good idea to have some survival skills and prep. Most of the civilized world would not know what to do with a prolonged power outage let alone a full scale failure of social support mechanisms. Many people would actually die. People take civilization for granted and lose focus on what it takes to stay alive without it because they are never without it...till they are and then its too late. Some survivalist mentalities are over-the-top crazy but everyone should know basic survival skills and have the ability to manufacture what you need from the materials you already have around you at any given time. You eat the wrong plant...you die. You drink bad water...you die. You get too cold/too hot...you die. Stuff like that is a reality you could face in an emergency. You might not have access to medical stuff. You might not have electricity, phone or internet for weeks or months. You might not have transportation or the roads and highways to drive on if you do. If you don't think about survival prep where you are right now, you might want to. You may not be home when you get isolated. Then all the prep supplies you have stowed away in the basement doesn't do you a damn bit of good. True. we have become way too dependent on the system. But then, that's also how the system shaped us. A few years ago I wanted to be able to make fire. A basic need in order to stay safe, warm, cook food etc. I'd watched a lot of Ray Mears vids and that triggered me to learn some stuff. The man can make fire anywhere and under any circumstance, including in the rain. I got a few pieces of wood and a stick and made a bow drill. And failed. Then I tried with my fire stick. And failed. I was livid! Totally GRRRRRRRRRRRR I'd actually bought that stick to keep with me (and I did for years) so no matter what and where or what happened, I could make fire! My ex could ---> stronger hands. I did learn it is not nearly as easy as it looks when Ray Mears does it and that he likely practised an awful lot in the past as well. And I learnt it is very important you get the right things, like a good knife to use the fire stick so you get a spark easily. With my hypermobility I cannot keep at it for any length of time. You basically do need a proper bush knife which I ain't got. As for the other method... you need the right wood, a well-made hearth-board & spindle etc. And to make that properly you need... a bush knife. So I guess a decent bush knife is nr 1. For many things, including fire making. I agree its good to purchase and practice with survival support equipment. Its also important to remember to keep modern equipment with you. A lighter makes fire fairly easy and you can carry a lighter places you can't carry a bush knife. Lighters are cheaper and even when out of fuel usually can still produce a spark fairly easily. Personally, I have a flint stick on my keyring but I also have a lighter with me and a few more in my vehicle. I keep a flashlight with batteries in my vehicle but I also carry a windup flashlight with a radio just in case. Batteries go dead but a windup works anytime. I also carry a small Swiss army knife in my truck and keep a roll of duct tape. In addition I keep a roll of aluminum tape and strapping tape. I also keep a pack of plastic tie straps in my vehicle. Most of the time if you are stranded or in a survival situation you are not far from your home or your vehicle. I even have survival gear in my camping boxes and back packs. Its also important to understand the methodology and pysical properties of everyday objects around you. Knowing where to look to find clean water which is drinkable or everyday objects which can be used if there is no access to survival gear. When in survival mode, a rock is much more than just a rock. Its also a hammer and could be a knife. A tool to get food or provide protection. A chunk of electrical wire can become a rope. A panel of sheetmetal can become a litter. Plastic bags can be used to gather water from condensation or shaped into a pouch. An old tire (tyre) can be used as a smoke signal. Cardboard can be insulation. When survival devices are available use them but to be actually prepared for survival you should be able to use the material which surrounds you to make what you need. Instead of memorizing each plant which is edible or medicinal learn how to identify plants which are beneficial by their leaf design, placement, color and shape. Know which plants are common to your area. It also helps to have foreknowledge of plant edibility. Luckily, there is an established method... The Universal Edibility Test http://www.backpacker.com/skills/universal-edibility-test/ Eating even a tiny bite of a toxic plant can cause extreme gastrointestinal problems, or even death. Survival experts devised this test to determine a plant’s edibility. When in doubt, follow these steps before chowing down. It’s a slow process, but necessary. (Warning: This is for emergencies only. Plan A should always be to positively identify everything you eat.)
Separate the plant into its various parts—roots, stems, leaves, buds, and flowers. Focus on only one piece of the plant at a time. Smell it. A strong, unpleasant odor is a bad sign. Test for contact poisoning by placing a piece of the plant on your inner elbow or wrist for a few minutes. If your skin burns, itches, feels numb, or breaks out in a rash, don’t eat the plant. If the plant passes the skin test, prepare a small portion the way you plan to eat it (boiling is always a good bet). Before taking a bite, touch the plant to your lips to test for burning or itching. If there’s no reaction after 15 minutes, take a small bite, chew it, and hold it in your mouth for 15 minutes. If the plant tastes very bitter or soapy, spit it out. If there’s no reaction in your mouth, swallow the bite and wait several hours. If there’s no ill effect, you can assume this part of the plant is edible. Repeat the test for other parts of the plant; some plants have both edible and inedible parts. There is already a wealth of knowledge gathered for you if you choose to take a bit of time to look while you can. In addition to equipment, having the right survival mindset is important. In a survival situation you might have to adopt thinking strategies which focus on reality. Not only will you be dealing with high stress situations you may need to do things you normally wouldn't. You will likely be forced to set aside those cherished delusions in favor of 'not dying'. Reality doesn't care. Reality will kill you if you let it. |
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I do
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Yep. I was thinking a while ago...
God cares. Reality does not. Whether or not you believe reality has a personality, the most basic reality is absolute. It is also now very complex, and its present configuration can become unfavorable at any time. We can do much to prepare for any eventuality -but not everything. Our present reliance on centralized services and goods is a vulnerability in adverse conditions. Whether old or new, our ways should consider any eventuality. Considering nature in how we live is healthy and wise. We are a part of it and we can't exist if it isn't functioning properly. |
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If you could, would you build a root cellar, have your own garden and livestock and be completely self sufficient? Would you learn the ways of 100 and more years ago, like what plants heal what and how to salt, smoke and preserve food? I have sweet, I know those ways. But I really like toilet paper 
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I would love to be more self sufficient in that way. Used to have a big garden at my Grandparents as a child. Fresh vegetables taste so much better growing them yourself.
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That good old Sears catalog worked better the TP, LOL
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Seems very alluring. If I could, I would, but right now it'd be daydreaming , too much of a luxury
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