https://www.insideedition.com/george-floyd-had-fentanyl-in-his-system-but-it-has-no-bearing-on-the-way-he-died-medical-expert

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-familys-lawyer-slams-local-autopsy/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-axphyxiation-two-autopsies-homicide-details/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/george-floyd-family-release-results-autopsy-70994420

Thanx PSX, there is plenty of sources for the autopsy out there that can easily found. I would like to see the official police incident report but can not find that one. Much of these videos are clips of what they want you to know and not the facts that people should be seeing. I would also like to know who the man and women are that were in the car and got out upon the initial confrontation. I'm not a journalist, and neither are the majority of people on here. I do not expect to see a link to every post as many of these are just propaganda anyway. The forum is more of an oversight of different people from all over with different thought and views, and that's what makes it interesting. If people want to see the fake news they are more than welcome to watch their favorite news network or whatever MSM outlet they prefer.

Alta Mira>fentanyl>risks-fentanyl

Keep in mind that George Floyd is a felon freaking out about going back to prison along with a fentanyl overdose. This description of an overdose matches step by step the decline of George Floyd and the coroners reports from both parties. As much as I would love to see the people running the government instead of the government running the people I truly believe that the public got this one wrong and the government has folded to the peoples wants. Its far to deep to be fixed now but the truth must be known.

They have announced the one officer is now charged with second degree murder,
not third degree and the other three with aiding and abetting a murder. My state’s
Governor announced he saw the footage and this was a killer in a cop’s clothing.

Real Americans don't take disgusting faeces in disguise. They stand for the truth and right.

David Dorn, a retired St. Louis police captain, was shot and killed last night while trying to protect a local store from looters. Horrific video footage showed that he died in front of Lee’s Pawn & Jewelry on Martin Luther King Drive.



Just waiting for the #BLM outrage...

thanks for replying .. it is always interesting for me to understand the source of information . Which is why I was curious to see your links.... ... there is a lot of misinformation through social media . .
Here is the 20 page full autopsy report ....

http://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

Fentanyl is a drug I am very familiar with at the hospital and I am happy to discuss it .. however I do not believe it will have any relevance to this legal case .

Both autopsies ., categorise cause of death as “HOMICIDE”.

all four officers were fired promptly from the police force ., they were not stood down pending investigation . They were fired .

all 4 officers now face criminal charges .....

http://amp.tvnz.co.nz/news/story/JTJGY29udGVudCUyRnR2bnolMkZvbmVuZXdzJTJGc3RvcnklMkYyMDIw JTJGMDYlMkYwNCUyRmZhbWlseS1kZW1hbmQtY2hhcmdlcy1hZ2FpbnN0LWFs bC1mb3VyLXBvbGljZS1vZmZpY2Vycy1hZnRlci1nZW8=

Please don’t post ridiculous and dangerous suggestions. .. A belt around the neck is not the same as a pressure weight applied through the torso and neck . He was face down with Three officers kneeling on his neck , torso and legs It is not just the neck hold that was concerning but the torso hold too . The diaphragm (needed for breathing) would have been severely restricted .

This is not a case of poor judgement .. when they realised he was unresponsive and could not find a pulse .. they continued the restraint .

There is Just no justification for that.

This is also shameful and horrific, however, looters are not sworn
to serve and protect.

And, still...

Nobody batted an eye, or expressed outrage,
when Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor
shot and murdered Justine Damond.

https://www.startribune.com/what-we-learned-about-mohamed-noor-and-justine-damond-in-court-on-thursday/508464612/

For those outraged... It only happened a year ago...I'm sure you remember seeing this on every newscast, every day for weeks on end...

those officers that struck that elderly man down where suspended with no pay other resigned ... + just a thought ...they may start going after the polices
unions ... thinking becouse these cops ...
are untouchable becouse of their unions ... may not be anymore ... going to start being accountable for their actions ...

these protesters have been peaceful ...except at night... and those that our damaging property do not care what the protests are even about ... and it is sad when other police loose their lives in the line of duty ...or off ... if we new the bad apples then it would be easier but only see the bad now becouse of cameras... I pretty sure I could name all the deaths that.. the police took lives from for hardly no good reason ... and they got off more then likely becouse of their unions ...

The facts that people should know? A guy died because of excessive force by a Copper. You're the one missing the point, because I guarantee if it was one of your family, or someone you knew, you'd be singing from a completely different hymn sheet, of that I have no doubt!!!

I believe we have turned a point in life where some black lives will change ...
there is violence to be had on both sides ... but now I believe this will show justice will be had now and in the future ... of polices response ... I believe cops know when they are doing wrong... when they do it ...

It is not a fact that he died from excessive force, that is an opinion that many people have, but not a fact. Fentanyl is 80 to 200 times stronger than morphine, as little as 3ng/ml has been known to kill some people. Floyd had 3 1/2 times that amount in his system along with meth and thc, he also had preexisting heart condition. All that plus the rage and stress of being arrested could easily cause heart failure. One of the cops had been on the police department for 3 days. Another one had been on the force for 4 days. If they would have used a stun gun he would have died, if they would have pepper sprayed him he would have died. Chauvin kept him detained til the ambulance arrived, maybe we should start putting everyone down the line in jail for there actions. The ambulance should have arrived sooner. When I take my daughters cat to the vet 3 grown people can't even hold a 10 lb cat with no front claws down, their solution is to sidate it. Now you take a 6'-6" 250 lb man that is in rage and on drugs and try to control him. Its easy to say now the cops made some bad decisions as all humans do from time to time, but at the time in that situation they made the choice that thought they had too. What would have become of it if Floyd would not have been stopped and slammed his car into a family killing them because he was HIGH?
Search " Mannie Ellis is George Floyd". Its almost identical case in Tacoma Washington where black man being detained by 4 police dies. Its just not caught on video. Mannie was also high and died of heart failure. Whenever someone on drugs dies while an officer is present they always assume the cop has some kinda special power to save a life. The biggest problem is people see things in black and white, and even describing something using color assumes that there is a difference in their human condition. Assuming guilt, intent, or that someone is racist base on their skin color is the exact definition of racism.

All 57 members of the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team resigned Friday from the unit in an apparent show of support for two officers who were suspended without pay after being filmed pushing a 75-year-old man to the ground Thursday night.



Tonight should be a fun place in Buffalo...

Pretty sure that's what must of happened in Minneapolis after the incident cuz they sure didn't do a thing to stop any of the riots, looting, or burning. Everything is caught on video but nothing has been said about going after anyone. I think the should post images of each and every person and offer a bounty for their capture. The thing is Minneapolis police have a great compensation package, after only 3 or 4 days on the job you get 40 yrs free room and board at a local prison. I call the protests "blizzards" now ( because all the snowflakes). The majority of these people are just jumping on the bandwagon with no clue what it is really about or what to do about it. George Floyd has become pop culture now. If black people really want change they need to start by changing themselves, and they actually have to want to change. Blacks are 100 times more likely to be shot or killed by a black man then a white person. Just by saying "the black community" or a black neighborhood they are asking to be separated. We tried the separate but equal and that didn't work. We could of put them on reservations like the Indians but we didn't (that was a different time people). It took thousands of years for white people to become "white". When was the last time you heard an Irishman shot a German while two Italians stood and watched. It wasn't all that long ago when every nationality was marked, generally the lighter the skin the higher up the ladder that nationality was. Now we are just "whites" or "Americans" but many black people don't want to conform to that even thou their are many that already have. A lot of it starts as youth and the thug, gangbanger attitude, the pop culture or stereo type that many of the youth get trapped into. Drug, theft, destruction, and lack of respect. There are many good jobs available for young black men or anyone for that matter but it takes 4 thing to keep that job. 1- show up on time. 2- show up everyday 3- do your work while you are at work. 4- act professional. Many people can only accomplish one or two of these things. That is not acceptable, these are easy things to do and millions of people mange to do them everyday. I have seen young black men working, I know it can be done. Just this week I seen some flagging traffic during road construction, good paying job with benefits. Giving people handout does nothing for them long term, people will never show respect for anything unless they have to work for it. Slavery was ages ago quit using that as an excuse, the civil war was fought mostly by white people in which many died to gain your freedom. Start showing some respect to white people and perhaps you will get some in return. They have affermitive action, black college funds, even black awards shows. Blacks get all these things plus are able to get all the things whites do, so quit the whining and do something about it. The "Whites only" country clubs and what not have all been dismantled or opened to all. How about the blacks start dismantling their blacks only clubs too? We are all into this together but the blacks still want their "Blackness".

I think that's the establishment's endgame...

Get the cops to walk off the job...

Force the President to declare Martial Law...

Then damn him for it and blame him for all the race issues they created.

Anything to get him out of the White House.

All their other ploys have failed...

This is their last ditch effort...

I'm not into conspiracy theories but there are some really fishy things for those who are interested. Floyd was spiraling down hill fast, he was out of work, on drugs, thrown out of his apartment and basically living in a homeless shelter. Who calls 911 on a "Fake" $20 bill that apparently turned out to be real? And no police department I know of would send officers out to check it out, they would say come down to the station and fill out a report or take it to a bank we don't have time to deal with that. Then they show up, which trust me that takes a long time especially if its not an emergency. And in that time somehow Floyd is still parked there. How is this possible? And he's got "friends" in the car. Now its possible that someone drugs him with the Fentanyl. Don't believe most of what you see about his family, daughter, and friends that are coming out for the $$$ and 10 seconds of fame as most were not real friends, most family was in Texas, and doesn't sound as he was currently part of his daughters life and owed back child support. Now the cops show n he pushes them or stumbles or something, his "friend" had some kinda excuse. Then going to the cop car he falls again, they get him in the car where different versions of the story if there were struggle or not but Floyd claims to be clostrphobic and have trouble breathing so he can be taken into better camera view. And of coarse their is someone who just happens to be recording this along with 2 security camera's watching. Then he uses the "I can't breathe" like thousands of people dying from corona virus gave and also that guy in NY. Then the ambulance was supposed to be on its way but took longer than it should to show up. And this is all happening during covid19 where our governor has put so many restrictions in place that the officers aren't even allowed to do mouth to mouth recesitation on somebody. All this while 2 bumbling idiots are getting ready to fight for the presidency of the once United States of America and they know Biden is such a weak candidate that he needs any thing he can get to win being that Murder Hornets and Corona Virus weren't enough to give him an advantage. That's just my short list of things that may have been a little fishy or phishy for those who enjoy a spin. I figure everyone else has concluded what they think they know is fact, and the people are clearly easily brainwashed so I might as well throw this stuff out there as well.

The whole right side of the screen is black. I'm done.

yes the right side is all black OH! black screens matter. I am sick and tired of everything from burning a small business to killings and lootings being blamed on President Trump and white conservatives. It sounds like the OP and others would be satisfied if this "defund the police" BS goes through. Pelosi and Schumer pay their bodyguards so they dont have to worry. But without police, what about the rest of us ? There are MANY sides to every story, to every divorce, to every death. What about all the broken treaties with our Native Americans. White people broke every one except for ONE..... that is one that never was signed. The Seminole tribe never signed a treaty. How far back do you want to go blaming other people. Most of us talking have never had our business burned to the ground by Antifa (funded by George Soros). Most of us have never been arrested. Get your actual facts straight before you start whining about the events that happen every day.