Topic: Police brutality ...
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Thu 06/11/20 12:09 PM

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Thu 06/11/20 12:39 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Thu 06/11/20 12:40 PM
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are u that mindless ... all races can have mental issue... I guess you are very racist ... so stay out of my topics ... or I will block you... and I am trying to be civil and polite about it ...

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Thu 06/11/20 01:15 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Thu 06/11/20 01:46 PM
I just heard the first metal of honer went to a black man...https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/1075726/meet-sgt-william-carney-the-first-african-american-medal-of-honor-recipient/


I do not believe we are going back to all the statues to be remove becouse of the black protests ... the rebel flag is something differnt... it really does bring up racialism for White supremacists groups ... I don't like it ... and I sometimes just like to say... you lost the war an laugh at them ...


This is about police brutality and how they kill black & some white like the one they push down and got a very bad head injury ... and making names up to do the dirty work on protesters looked to me like a kidnapping my goodness...& people with the I can't breath choke hold with their knees + using tear gas and other forms of weapons used on peaceful protester... some are now blind ...and those police shot with know charges brought against them even if a child ... I have said this before ...with racism ... do you know the doctors and nurses and health care people that come to the aid of so many an all races all over the world ... color does not matter to them ... they try and save lives ... but when you have a resistance team... trying to tare the united states apart by their words or actions and discrimination ... this should not be what the USA is about ...

I found this a interesting read ... when it really all started ... https://www.crf-usa.org/black-history-month/a-brief-history-of-jim-crow



when I was a kid and mainly grew up here ... after being taken out of private school ...I did go to a school that had plenty of differnt races ... and I am a better person for that ... I new all of the Police... in my town & the police chief ... I new the good... I new the bad ... seemed part of life ... but found it much differnt in larger city's ... but they walked the beat ever single day ... with differnt shifts ... here ... :heart:

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Thu 06/11/20 01:43 PM
You might want to check your facts. William Carney was not the first person to receive the Medal of Honor. He didn't have it awarded until 1900 for action that he experienced in 1863...

Race had nothing to do with why he received the award...I don't know why that's such a qualifier for you.

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Thu 06/11/20 03:12 PM

Surely you know that the nazis wanted to get rid of all?
Started with the Jews and was progressing to other races?
We were stopping that?
Anyway, it's diversed from the ot.


Yes, I know that is ONE of the common things they wanted. I also know Hitler did SOME things in common with what other leaders have done.

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Thu 06/11/20 03:19 PM

You might want to check your facts. William Carney was not the first person to receive the Medal of Honor. He didn't have it awarded until 1900 for action that he experienced in 1863...

Race had nothing to do with why he received the award...I don't know why that's such a qualifier for you.



I agree partly. HE was the first AA to be honored, not the first to have the award. But race had a big part to play in the timing of when an AA was finally able to get that type of recognition.

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Thu 06/11/20 08:48 PM


Let me ask this: If cities and states ban police from using certain physical restraints that could cause death and an officer is dealing with someone physically superior resisting arrest, what action do you expect the officer to take? Please be specific!
I agree with harmony ... I expect the officer to

Be trained in risk assessment , conflict resolution and to safely engage in challenging situations .

To recognise when they do not have control of a situation .. to back down if safety is compromised or call for backup .

To use appropriate deescalation techniques and culturally safe communication.

To know how to safely defend themselves when there is a physiological difference or threat .

To React professionally and ethically .

George Floyd complained of feeling claustrophobic ...( a condition often associated with panic and fear ...) he was “pulled “ from the vehicle ... I would expect the risk assessment of that situation to consider the consequence of his state of mind and functioning at that point .

He did not have a weapon .. he was not combative or aggressive . Why they felt the need to restrain him in the manner they did is not clear . I am sure their rationale and motivation will come out in the legal proceedings .





It seems that there is more to this story than just a cop and an attempt to arrest Floyd. Should be interesting when all the investigation is done and the real story comes out.

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Thu 06/11/20 09:01 PM



Let me ask this: If cities and states ban police from using certain physical restraints that could cause death and an officer is dealing with someone physically superior resisting arrest, what action do you expect the officer to take? Please be specific!
I agree with harmony ... I expect the officer to

Be trained in risk assessment , conflict resolution and to safely engage in challenging situations .

To recognise when they do not have control of a situation .. to back down if safety is compromised or call for backup .

To use appropriate deescalation techniques and culturally safe communication.

To know how to safely defend themselves when there is a physiological difference or threat .

To React professionally and ethically .

George Floyd complained of feeling claustrophobic ...( a condition often associated with panic and fear ...) he was “pulled “ from the vehicle ... I would expect the risk assessment of that situation to consider the consequence of his state of mind and functioning at that point .

He did not have a weapon .. he was not combative or aggressive . Why they felt the need to restrain him in the manner they did is not clear . I am sure their rationale and motivation will come out in the legal proceedings .





It seems that there is more to this story than just a cop and an attempt to arrest Floyd. Should be interesting when all the investigation is done and the real story comes out.
yes .. it is easy to make assumptions based on the video that is circulating . That only captured a pivotal moment . I am sure the police department had the full story when they fired the officers . Will be an interesting trial for many reasons waving

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Fri 06/12/20 01:56 AM
Man drowns as officers look on without coming to his aid, family wants them fired.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-drowns-officers-look-without-coming-aid-family-170100605--abc-news-topstories.html

So how's that Defund the Police working out for you?

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Sun 06/14/20 06:22 AM

You might want to check your facts. William Carney was not the first person to receive the Medal of Honor. He didn't have it awarded until 1900 for action that he experienced in 1863...

Race had nothing to do with why he received the award...I don't know why that's such a qualifier for you.




that may be.. my mistake ? ... but picture like you post like you do... are making it impossible to be connected... to be serious... this topic is not a joke ... and i do not mind a different opinions ... but not like that ... understand ...

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Sun 06/14/20 06:24 AM


You might want to check your facts. William Carney was not the first person to receive the Medal of Honor. He didn't have it awarded until 1900 for action that he experienced in 1863...

Race had nothing to do with why he received the award...I don't know why that's such a qualifier for you.



I agree partly. HE was the first AA to be honored, not the first to have the award. But race had a big part to play in the timing of when an AA was finally able to get that type of recognition.

thank you ... smile2 :thumbsup:

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Sun 06/14/20 06:47 AM
all I care about is they change a few ways they do their job ... know more choke holds on anyone ... and it would be nice know tear gas on peaceful protester and know more rubber bullets ... and taking out the press for doing their jobs ... arresting them and hurting them ...there is a lot of speculation on who set things on fire and burned the building... they where of course not the peaceful protesters and not their fault... I believe the police should not come in like they are going to war ... with people in the united States...

This leads to more violence ...that is necessary... they should be trained to have more patience an tolerant ... of those that are being put down for own their views ... protect the town stores ... but don't put these two together that are being peaceful ...

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Sun 06/14/20 06:48 AM
Edited by Zion on Sun 06/14/20 06:52 AM
Congratulations!!

You have officially done what the Left has been trying to do unsuccessfully for now 60 years...finally found a way to reduce black crime...by making it impossible to arrest anyone who doesn't want to be arrested.

You can't shoot 'em. You can't taser 'em. You can't chase them in a vehicle. You can't physically hit or injure them, you can't use pepper spray or tear gas on them...and now you can't restrain or lay hands on them.

I sure hope that "Stern Talking To" plan of action works out well...I'm pretty much at a loss at what to do if that doesn't work.

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Sun 06/14/20 10:59 AM

Congratulations!!

You have officially done what the Left has been trying to do unsuccessfully for now 60 years...finally found a way to reduce black crime...by making it impossible to arrest anyone who doesn't want to be arrested.

You can't shoot 'em. You can't taser 'em. You can't chase them in a vehicle. You can't physically hit or injure them, you can't use pepper spray or tear gas on them...and now you can't restrain or lay hands on them.

I sure hope that "Stern Talking To" plan of action works out well...I'm pretty much at a loss at what to do if that doesn't work.



Another strawman, as most of those things were not said here.

All that was advocated against was treating PEACEFUL protestors and the press with some decorum, instead of treating ALL protestors as if they are violent, and no longer using chokeholds. Their job is to be arresting officers, not judge jury and executioner. Simply having the force of numbers and the equipment and training is enough to convince MOST who 'dont want to be arrested" to comply as normal and wait for their attorney to do the rest. And better training and pay should allow officers to ASSESS the threat of death and DEESCALATE instead of JUST killing in situations where they are the ONLY ones with weapons.









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Sun 06/14/20 02:42 PM
I'm not talking about protesters...protest all you want. Burn all you want. Loot all you want. Society has deemed it acceptable to count your coup and just take whatever you want. Doesn't affect me so I just don't care. My livelihood isn't being burnt to the ground, my inventory isn't being spread to the winds...if others are too weak to stop them...oh well...I'm sure those evil Hamburger Restaurants, Drug and Liquor stores will make sure to never be involved in racist activities again.

I'm talking about all the mother-killers, father-rapers, store-robbers, drug-users, car-jackers...you know...all those poor innocent college-bound students just out for a walk or looking to bring mom home a quart of milk from the corner store.

Maybe a stern scolding along with a vigorous finger-wagging will set them on the path of the straight and narrow...


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Sun 06/14/20 04:23 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 06/14/20 04:25 PM

I'm not talking about protesters...protest all you want. Burn all you want. Loot all you want. Society has deemed it acceptable to count your coup and just take whatever you want. Doesn't affect me so I just don't care. My livelihood isn't being burnt to the ground, my inventory isn't being spread to the winds...if others are too weak to stop them...oh well...I'm sure those evil Hamburger Restaurants, Drug and Liquor stores will make sure to never be involved in racist activities again.

I'm talking about all the mother-killers, father-rapers, store-robbers, drug-users, car-jackers...you know...all those poor innocent college-bound students just out for a walk or looking to bring mom home a quart of milk from the corner store.

Maybe a stern scolding along with a vigorous finger-wagging will set them on the path of the straight and narrow...




IF it is acceptable, why is it against the law? These are silly responses. I will agree that there is a silly minimalist culture that does not feel they should be involved or care as long as it does not (directly) 'affect' them. I kind of feel like those 'but what had he done in his past' people are amongst them. 'It won't happen to me because I follow laws and don't therefore deserve it" is a way of not caring because of a sense of superiority that means they will never be affected.


However, it is against the law to loot and steal. People were not talking about killers and rapers, but unarmed and non violent 'suspects'. It does not help to take the tangent that lumps ALL types together.

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Sun 06/14/20 05:30 PM
The first tweet about the death of Michael Brown was a minute or two after he collapsed on Canfield Dr., just past noon Aug. 9, 2014. Local rapper Emanuel Freeman (@ TheePharaoh) tweeted from inside his home a photo of Browns body face down in the street, an officer standing over him.

12:03 p.m. "Just saw someone die OMFG."

12:03 p.m. "I'm about to hyperventilate."

12:04 p.m. "the police just shot someone dead in the of my crib yo."

And then a minute later, within five minutes of the shooting, the picture of an officer standing over Browns prone body. Twitter users identified the officer as Darren Wilson.

Forty minutes later, at 12:48 p.m., a previously unknown young woman, La Toya Cash, joined the conversation. She posted this tweet as @AyoMissDarkSkin: "Ferguson police just executed an unarmed 17-year-old boy that was walking to the store. Shot him 10 times smh."

The account of the "boy" "executed" walking on the street and shot 10 times established Mike Browns victimhood. smh--Twitter speak for "shaking my head,"--drove home the point, as did a photo showing dozens of police cars in the street.

The tweet was retweeted 3,500 times in the next few hours, researchers found, as word of the shooting passed through the community like an electrical charge. @AyoMissDarkSkin's report received much more attention than the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's first report of the killing several hours later.

As Ben Lyons reports in his social media analysis (pg. 14), the narrative quickly emerging in social media was that Brown had his hands up, was executed or shot in the back. This was picked up in traditional media where references to hands up, shot in the back and executed appeared six times more often in the days after the killing than terms indicating a struggle with the officer.

But that narrative was wrong. As the Justice Department's investigation concluded seven months later, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" didn't happen. And Brown didn't look like a "gentle giant" in the convenience store video police released.

Few of the media accounts--either social or traditional--included the fact that Brown struggled with Officer Darren Wilson over Wilson's gun--a key factor in Wilson's ultimate exoneration.

Hands Up, Don't Shoot was a myth created in the hot media environment that came alive in the hours after Brown's death. "Eyewitness" accounts on Twitter, cable news and elsewhere turned out to have been based on what people who hadn't seen the shooting had read on Twitter or heard from neighbors.


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Sun 06/14/20 10:04 PM

Surely you know that the nazis wanted to get rid of all?
Started with the Jews and was progressing to other races?
We were stopping that?
Anyway, it's diversed from the ot.


Yes, I do. I know they successfully killed many in a specific demographic too. That is one way they would be similar to other people who successfully killed whole demographics.

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Sun 06/14/20 10:09 PM

The first tweet about the death of Michael Brown was a minute or two after he collapsed on Canfield Dr., just past noon Aug. 9, 2014. Local rapper Emanuel Freeman (@ TheePharaoh) tweeted from inside his home a photo of Browns body face down in the street, an officer standing over him.

12:03 p.m. "Just saw someone die OMFG."

12:03 p.m. "I'm about to hyperventilate."

12:04 p.m. "the police just shot someone dead in the of my crib yo."

And then a minute later, within five minutes of the shooting, the picture of an officer standing over Browns prone body. Twitter users identified the officer as Darren Wilson.

Forty minutes later, at 12:48 p.m., a previously unknown young woman, La Toya Cash, joined the conversation. She posted this tweet as @AyoMissDarkSkin: "Ferguson police just executed an unarmed 17-year-old boy that was walking to the store. Shot him 10 times smh."

The account of the "boy" "executed" walking on the street and shot 10 times established Mike Browns victimhood. smh--Twitter speak for "shaking my head,"--drove home the point, as did a photo showing dozens of police cars in the street.

The tweet was retweeted 3,500 times in the next few hours, researchers found, as word of the shooting passed through the community like an electrical charge. @AyoMissDarkSkin's report received much more attention than the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's first report of the killing several hours later.

As Ben Lyons reports in his social media analysis (pg. 14), the narrative quickly emerging in social media was that Brown had his hands up, was executed or shot in the back. This was picked up in traditional media where references to hands up, shot in the back and executed appeared six times more often in the days after the killing than terms indicating a struggle with the officer.

But that narrative was wrong. As the Justice Department's investigation concluded seven months later, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" didn't happen. And Brown didn't look like a "gentle giant" in the convenience store video police released.

Few of the media accounts--either social or traditional--included the fact that Brown struggled with Officer Darren Wilson over Wilson's gun--a key factor in Wilson's ultimate exoneration.

Hands Up, Don't Shoot was a myth created in the hot media environment that came alive in the hours after Brown's death. "Eyewitness" accounts on Twitter, cable news and elsewhere turned out to have been based on what people who hadn't seen the shooting had read on Twitter or heard from neighbors.




Although this thread was not about Brown, I would like to clear up two things.

1: Hands up, Don't shoot is not a MYTH. It is merely a saying to signify the fear of being assumed a 'threat' that justifies being shot.

2. Brown's struggle WAS in the reports. However, the shooting did not happen DURING that struggle, making the fact of him being unarmed and still shot after fleeing a relevant concern.



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Mon 06/15/20 05:58 AM
It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.