No, I'm not blaming just women for the decline of feminine and masculine in modern society. It is everyone's fault. As the saying goes, "Ignorance is no excuse for the law". So not just us but those who've come before us as well.

Lies like, "An average looking person isn't attractive". The truth is thousands of years ago the average looking person today would've been a super model then. In the future our super models will be considered average. We as people tend to be attracted to good looking people. This is an advertisement lie to sell product.

"You'll never be able to compare to men who came before you", is the lie being pushed today towards destroying self confidence. My grandfather was in WW1 and my great uncles were in WW2. So I know they were good men. But they were just men. Yes, they had a harder time of it because the times they lived. If men are needed to step up today we could do just as well as they did.

The lie of Feminism can not be hiden in the Tech Age since information can be share easily. "Facts don't care about your feelings", is one of the battle cries in the culture war. The Leftists use emotional arguments to manipulate people into believing them.

"Feminism means what you want it to mean to you".
If you say it's black and I say it's green. Then instant conflict. This is an attack on feminine because she's about "Resolve".

"Feminism is about women's rights"
Okay, what about men's and children's rights? These rights are slowly being taken away from men and children. Also, only the women who are in charge are getting the better deal. Lots of women are being taken advantage of and convince they're doing it for women's rights.

The reality is that those who stand up for Human Rights have improved the world. You think if men were as evil as the Leftists claim women would have anything? How about slaves in chains and beaten if they get out of line would be more the case.

Cross-linking of feminism to rise in nihilism or to resurgence of communism;
or the other way around may be intentional, or side effects; but it was inevitable.

In my opinion the real problem was the combo / intersection with the other major issue: racism.

Frankly, in our generation we have the legislation but not the change of heart that heals these issues. To mildly state, gagging 'masculinity' has not helped either.

Too true. We have achieved much over the centuries in furthering Human Right, technological advancements and better longer life spands. Unfortunately we are still unable to come together for the benefit of us all since there will always be those trying to control, cheat and destroy.

actually the very first line in the very first post is the philosophy of Incels...


old values like what? .....can you provide an example


so far you've been talking in abstracts nothing of what you're saying is concrete or seem to be based on anything factual..

A classic example the world saw was Kavanaugh nomination where he was grilled not by women senators but by ‘intersectionality’ that trapped him in a situation of ‘damned if I win damned if I lose’.

I recall the Hawaii senator openly smile when Brooker took over from Kamala Harris and structured out a scenario that was not an allegation; but implied it.

There was no way for k to turn around and counter with an equivalent of, ‘let the man who has not sinned cast the first stone’. The media showed that intersectionality by its mere presence won the proceedings

"Who is the kid???"

Don't know what you are refering to..

And, FWIW, I wasn't addrressing YOU...I was replying to Blondy111.
Why you felt the need to comment on my comment to another poster is curious..

I, for the rcord, *I* do not "de-stress by talking about their issues to their support group"
Horse ****...I've never done that in my entire life..
When *I* am stressed, sad, depressed, etc...I go into hermit mode...or, as you put it "it out in the solitude of their minds"

And, your comment "I think instead of derailing this topic, ladies should bring forth their patience & read it through a man's eyes" that pretty much shows what you think about women...that we should defer to the guys in this thread....when, last I checked..ALL forums were open to BOTH sexes...*you* don't get to dictate who responds, nor how.

I have to re-read the OP!

I was hoping for a discussion not a soliloquy., will happily step off the bus . Enjoy the thread

Aaw Blondey, without you (and ladies) Mingle would lose magic. haha



to Bluegrass:
Instead of 'I think' should have written 'I beg the ladies for patience ...'
I agree that 'see through mans eyes' is rubbish. <mistake>
'don't get to dictate ...'
< sorry, I thought I had lost my 'wise guy' side - keeps popping up>

Thanks Blue, I sincerely see this as education. Think about it, English is not my native language and where else could I've learnt. Under these circumstances I don't know whether you will accept Or think i'm an idiot - again because western culture is so different. Whenever i read your posts, it's the gentlest breeze. Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm an old guy and know how words can hurt. Ok, i'll stop here.

I ask myself these questions based on my life in USA.

i) Could teen pregnancies have been reduced; even eliminated?

A resounding Yes! If adults had cared instead of depending on government, schools and statistics. Then why didn't they? Were they gagged - de-masculined by society? Based on couple of disturbing first hand incidents while in Richmond, VA; yes. a 200 pound teen is still a kid. One does not need to be the character in Gran Torino but society and law no longer gave backup to such individuals.

ii) Racism: I had couple of black friends and one of them told me (was new then); history had robbed them. I could feel some of the pain but not the wisdom to tell him to get off the *** in a big way. Why? One has to be black to lift their heavy cloud of pessimism.

If instead of the individual, one tied it to the collective and intersected it with feminism - then the whole spirit of being black, the richness we find in sports - is lost. Sports is the individual. I'm glad Carson stood for election - inspiring; because he was a medical genius.

I may be a simple naive Indian guy. But this is what i see everywhere now - in India; as plain as my broken nose.
TY

It's a bad scene in major areas of black neighborhoods. The women are taught to get pregnant and live off Welfare tying young men to child support and not allowing either of them to grow up. Very few get married and have a stable family life. Neighborhoods are normally a matriarch type system as well which clamps down on anyone from being an individual.

Of cause no one is allowed to mention such things. If you can't be controlled by hate they use fear. This isn't just black problem with pregnancies it's across the nation.

Kavanaugh or anyone that are nominated for The Supreme Court is going to get grilled ...including the women ...the fact that you are singling out Kavanaugh for being grilled is actually you emasculating him ...so far you guys are guilty of the same behavior the thread is accusing feminism of doing ...or at the least unknowing accompanists

so do you have anything else to present that doesn't point to you killing off masculinity

I just want to say I like the way Blondey111 handled herself.
Although you responded to her comments very dismissively, I thought she made some excellent points.

Hi Jaish, You are far from a simple, naive Indian guy lol.

What's going on in the world is that we are moving into a healthier state of being for all. We are moving out of the old masculine way of aggression and oppression where money and power and status was of the highest priority to a way that is based on equality, togetherness, one-ness, personal touch.
This will create a much healthier and happier society and yes, man and woman WILL be equal and equally respected. They will complement one another, which is the whole idea of the genders btw, as opposed to competing, which is the old masculine way.
This is moving from the Age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius and we're in the middle of the transitions which is why things are so hectic and chaotic and people feeling lost. I don't by the way, but many do.

The way things are going now are not sustainable, not for us, not for the planet. Many many people are worn out, burnt up, by this system where the focus is not on the individual and individual needs, but on faster, more, better, results, money, money, money, and power.
We are not machines!
Also, in this old system there's no respect for women. Men are superior. This is still the case, even in Western countries, as one said -which was I believe ignored-: girls and women still do NOT get the same pay as boys and men for the same work.
Women have to plod like idiots to get a position that used to be 'men only' as in men's minds it still is 'men only'.
Many men who are deeply rooted in the old system to feel good, feel threatened.
It also forces women to become more masculine energy women in order to survive and make it in the world, which is still a man's world.
The result of this can be seen in relationships. A woman who's reared and forced, even as a young girl, to be masculine in her goal setting and what she must do, cannot suddenly be feminine in a relationship.
Result: many divorces and breakups.
There's other reasons for that too, but I'll leave that out of the picture for now.

More and more people are unhappy in this society and develop illnesses and ailments because of it. Teenager feel it's not right and start using drugs, don't want to go to school, don't see the point of it all. And they're right: there is no point as this society -based on the old masculine- doesn't work anymore. It's not what people want and need and crave.
People want to be seen, heard, validated and respected, cared for and feel that they're part of something bigger, of something that matters. THings that nourish the soul!
That's what we're headed towards and this requires the Divine Feminine. When that's been partially restored the Divine Masculine can develop and rise to so together we can then create this wonderful world with mutual respect.
The innate qualities of woman will be valued, heard, listened to, integrated in everything. The same with the innate qualities of man. These qualities of the genders complement each other beautifully!

That's what's going on. So NOT the death of masculinity. Utter BS. It's the transition into a better world and then the rise of the empowered masculinity AND the empowered femininity.

Those sneaky fuc∆ing commies are at it again Mandrake
What's that General Ripper sir, I'm afraid I was listening to Duke Ellington on the wireless

On an individual level this means that we are ALL trying to find our footing. That ain't easy as we are in a transition period.
Women had to fight hard to get at least a little respect and space in the man's world, which is what feminism helped do, we are now coming out of that modus. (Some countries may still have to go through that).
But since many are single women, they have to do everything themselves, and also carry the masculine load all by themselves, which has never been the idea. But I think a temporary side-effect of this transition. Unfortunately it means many women have hardened because of that and are stuck in masculine energy. They often don't even seem to notice themselves.
Then they go look for a partner but then a man is faced with a masculine energy woman, which isn't going to work. It's yin-yang, one should be feminine, the other masculine, for things to work out.

Men in general are also confused and have difficulty finding their footing, just like women, it's just that we started the process and are further along in it. Plus we wanted this change more as we were the ones who got oppressed.
A lot of men are stuck in anger and bitterness about losing their masculinity, which never happened, but it's how they perceive it.
That bitterness holds them back, and if there's many like that, it holds the entire process back.
Fortunately the younger generation is entirely different.

Finding a balance with it all isn't easy. Women can now also have important positions, make their own money, aren't dependent on man for it, man might feel useless deep down because of it, and so on.
Women dare go out by themselves, dare approach a man, which can throw a lot of men of guard.

In a way it's again down to woman to make it all gel and work smoothly, which takes a lot of a woman.
Did you know our brains are developing chitloads of new wiring between left and right hemisphere in order to adept to this new way of living?
And to nip lame jokes in the b*tt: We ALWAYS had way more wiring there than men. That's why we can multitask where men can not. Our brains are more flexible than a man's which is why we can always adept much easier than men.
So we are adapting to this new way by creating even more wiring in our brains, allowing us to switch between masculine & logical to feminine and feeling & intuition.

Thought this might be of interest. Can tell much more, but I don't know if anyone would read it, hihi.

absolutely wonderful write. both posts. Yes, we are the transition generation.
and yes the younger gen is fortunately different.

But do consider OPs viewpoint on Intersection. Europe did not face racism as in US. This has altered Feminism in US as compared to that in Europe.

Thank you.
And yes, each country has its own story and as such its place on this 'ascension ladder'. Some are further than others, and that's okay, you also see this on an individual level. It's not a competition, as long as we all get there in the end.

What you very correctly mention about the US is something I've said on these boards a number of times too. The US has a big thing to deal with which is:
- Black & White
- Religion
- Equality of women

Not necessarily in this order of importance.
Although -from my personal view- I'd say religion is the biggest problem. Religion always holds civilizations/areas/countries back and the south of the US is bad in capitals.

We over here have our own problems, different ones. I feel mostly to do with not allowing everyone to walk all over us and to stand up for our own culture and way of being/life.
And then there's dealing with the EU and so on and so forth.

Each country has its cross to shake off, without taking on new ones.

"Women have to plod like idiots to get a position that used to be 'men only' as in men's minds it still is 'men only'.
Many men who are deeply rooted in the old system to feel good, feel threatened."

Yes, and when a woman is strong, voices her opinion, stands by her beiefs, insists she be treated like a worthwhile human being (which *anyone* should have the right to do, regarless of their gender)..then she's a "b**ch", "shrill", "castrating", demanding, domineering....
Even when if what she said , if it was said by a *guy*, exact same words, no one would bat an eye...
It's sad..

Hmm... Overall it's important to stop comparing and to stop telling old stories and to start telling your own new story. The way an empowered woman expresses her strength is different from how a man does that.
That doesn't mean it's okay for a man to be rude, I'm not saying that.
I'm trying to find a way to explain, hihi. In a way it's about not having knee-jerk reactions anymore to what others do, to society. If you do, you are the same and you only get action reaction action reaction and so on.
It is perfectly possible to voice yourself very powerfully without getting shrill, castrating, and so on.
Many women DO become like that, which is because they're too much driven by unbalanced masculine energy (their inner masculine energy).
I don't like such women either. Like I said, it is perfectly possible to express yourself as a woman in a very powerful way that people also listen to without upsetting anyone.
Basically it requires stepping out of the ego which ignites this tit for tat of 'if he gets away with it, I get away with it!' That leads nowhere, just angers everyone including the person themselves.