this thread is about questions that the religious will just close their minds to and refuse to answer or just afraid to answer because it will question their suppose faith or question that they just can't answer rationally ..here's the first one

according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator

if the answer is no then could you explain why with a rational explanation

cant be rational with religion hun, im not really religious but i think of all the stuff done in the name of so called religion and know there is no logic in it, probably will be boo hoo for that lol

cuz it just is and you have no proof of anything. i'm not listening, i can't hear you lalalalalalalalalalala

Rational? I don't think so, but here's the answer.

Our universe requires a cause. God is not part of our universe. God has always existed and does not change. God's existance is different from our own. Since we have never experianced anything that didn't require a cause, our minds cannot comprehend a "first cause". We cannot comprehend how an eternal and unchanging being can exist, therefore any answer to your question will be irrational.

This will be an interesting thread to watch....

oh funches it is too early for this....the universe was created by a supreme being..(god) or who ever...yes it was all done in an instant..scientest are now discovering the earth issnt as old as we belivved it to be...so there u go it was all created in the blink of an eye...by someone or something..when they get tired of the mess we have created then they will do away with us too....

sure will be stylish lots of poeple on here very relgious, how you feeling now hun better i hope

i should really learn not to get involved in the religion or political forums. it's all just ends up in one big massive fight becuase everybody thinks their right and everybody else is wrong. i've got better things to do with my time. like pee i need pee bye.

OK, instead of trying to make "logic" from a "steriod-head". Then YOU answer the questions "Mr. Brilliant"!

You keep asking questions from "believers", yet when you get reasonable answers you argue with them constantly and NEVER really listen.

So since you argue, it must mean YOU have ANSWERS.

So come on, lets hear you oh WISE ONE tell us where did EVERYTHING come from?? How was EVERYTHING created??? Every time you blink..is it a new day???

sorry Spidercmb ..you can only make that claim if you existed before God ..

yes Rockman it must be too early because you read the question wrong...the question didn't ask who created the universe or how old the Earth is ..it ask about the creator creator

Thanks for asking...I'm drowning in snot...maybe the religious folk can answer my question on that one...how can my body produce sooo much, almost the same capacity as the blood through my veins...

..er..sumthingdifferent ..apparently you read something different ..the thread ask you a simple logic question and ask for a rational response that anyone with a few brain cells should be able to answer ...surely you have a few brain cells taking up space...so come on... do you still need help in coming up with an answer

..er..sumthingdifferent ..apparently you read something different ..the thread ask you a simple logic question and ask for a rational response that anyone with a few brain cells should be able to answer ...surely you have a few brain cells taking up space...so come on... do you still need help in coming up with an answer


I already have the answers "Mr Brilliant"..at least all I need to know.

See, you avoiding MY question to YOU! I have a few brain cells, but you obviously DON'T.

So go take more of your "Roids" and lift a few more weights...cause thats about all you'll be able to really accomplish in this world.

When you have LEGITIMATE questions to ask (meaning those you are open to actually LISTEN and CONSIDER an answer to...instead of just wanting to "argue" because you have no life and you are inbetween sets of roid exercise)...THEN ask reasonable questions.

As I have made it a practice..."I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person".

Hence...you are through!

Proverbs 26:4~5:

"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."

"If we are to understand how to answer the fool, if we are to be able to demonstrate that God has made the pseudo-wisdom of the world foolish, then we must first study the biblical conception of the fool and his foolishness. In scriptural perspective the fool is not basically a shallow-minded or illiterate ignoramus; he can be quite educated and sophisticated in social reckoning. However, he is a fool because he has forsaken the source of true wisdom in God in order to rely on his own (allegedly), self-sufficient, intellectual powers. He is unteachable (Prov. 10:8) and despises instruction (Prov. 15:5); whereas the wise man heeds council given to him, 'The way of a fool is right in his own eyes' (Prov. 12:15). The fool has utter self-confidence and imagines himself to be intellectually autonomous. 'He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool' (Prov. 28:26). A fool cannot think of himself as mistaken (Prov. 17:10). He judges matters according to his own pre-established standards of truth and right, and thus his own thoughts always turn out in the long run to be correct. The fool is sure that he can rely on his own rational authority and intellectual scrutiny. 'The fool beareth himself insolently and is confident' (Prov. 14:16), and therefore he utters his own mind (Prov. 29:11). In actuality, this autonomous man [. . .and woman especially in this thread and ones like it] is dull, stubborn, boorish, obstinate and stupid. He professes himself to be wise, but from the opening of his mouth it is clear that he is (in the biblical sense) 'a fool' - his only wisdom would consist in keeping silent (Prov. 17:28). 'The heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness' (Prov. 12:23), and the fool flaunts his folly (Prov. 13:16). He eats up folly unreflectingly (Prov. 15:14), pours it out (Prov. 15:2), and returns to it like a dog to his vomit (Prov. 26:11). He is so in love with his folly and so dedicated to its preservation that 'It is better for a man to meet a bear robbed of her whelps, than a fool is his folly' (Prov. 17:12). The fool does not want to find the truth; he only wants to be self-justified in his own imaginations. While he may feign objectivity, 'A fool hath no delight in understanding, but only that his heart may reveal itself' (Prov. 18:2). He is committed to his own presuppositions and wishes to guard his autonomy. Thus he will not depart from evil (Prov. 13:19), and thus all his knowledgeable talk reveals nothing but perverse and lying lips (Prov. 10:18; 19:1). He may talk proudly, but "A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are a snare of his soul' (Prov. 18:7). He shall not endure the judgment of God (Ps. 5:5)." (Greg Bahnsen, Always Ready, pp. 55-56)

don't think of me as Mr. Brilliant...just think of me as more of a Mr. ... that's more brilliant than you



right ..everyone with more muscles that your girly looking body have to be taking steriods



so do that means you will no longer talk to yourself

you shouldn't be so hard on yourself

It is called faith. Reasoning that you/we know very little about anything. How,why,when does the wind blow. Where does it comes from. Why dna makes us what you will be what ever animal it is.It's faith when you see the sun rise and you are glad another day has come. When you go to the tallest peak of the Rockie Mountains and are awed by it's beauty wondering how did this come to be. Faith is when the mind believes the impossible without doubting and you or a friend is cured of diseaces you were given a death warrant for. Faith the one thing that holds us all together....blessings...Miles

"does" the same logic apply to the creator?

The problem here is one of assumption. Funches assumes there are only two possibilities, like the Pharisees who tried to trap Christ giving him the only two alternatives they could think of. But, he errs not knowing the scriptures.

In this case, the answer is neither of these two options he attempts to give us.

The universe did not pop out of nothingness. It was created from something that already existed. God is spirit and He lives in a world that is spirit. In a similar way that we can change matter to energy, God changed energy, or spirit to matter in an explosion so magnificent that it sent galaxies spinning into empty space at millions of miles per hour.

Proof for Bible readers:

WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT WORLD OF GOD BY LOOKING AT THE CREATION
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED OUT OF SPIRIT.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED OUT OF THE SAME MATERIAL GOD IS COMPOSED OF
John 4:24- God is spirit...
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible...

Art

..er Miles..are you a travel agent doing a commercial for the rocky mountains ...cure for diseases and faith is not what the original question ask