Chief PUA, I honestly think I's respond better to one of your pre-written and wacky lines better than Jayme's Sugar Boy Toy's "Hey Pretty lady" from "Sugar Daddies.. Is It Wrong???"

true and thats the whole problem.
Approaching/pickup and relationships shouldnt be separate things; if a guy thinks this way, no wonder he is having problems.
I dont have any problems with guys using 'material', but what I DO have a problem with is teaching methods that instill behaviours and beliefs that are corrosive to anything long term.

Some of the material does instill bad thinking habits that could hurt a relationship. Most of it isn't that bad though. It all depends on what you want. If you want a relationship, then you learn enough to approach women to start a conversation. If your just after sex, then you learn more material that gets you that far. You'd be surprised how many guys just want to get over that fear of approaching women so they can find someone to start a long term relationship with. Whether we like it or not, there's always going to be those people that abuse things for personal gain. I just ask that you don't label us all ***holes because of a few bad apples.

I'll attest to this statement. I'm a nice guy to the core, but I also have chronic anxiety about talking to strangers. And when I do manage to start a conversation, I seldom feel like I'm doing an adequate job. I read about this PUA stuff to develop a gameplan so I won't be so nervous. Even a little bit of success emboldens me and I do fine once I get rolling.

I'm also learning ways to make it evident that I'm not just a nice guy or an okay conversationalist, but also an attractive, masculine person. For example, I've become aware that even little gestures of intimacy can make a difference in a woman's perception of a man. So the last date I went on, I was a bit more tactile. She said something goofy and I bumped into her; and I told a story that allowed me, as an illustration, to run my fingers through her hair.

Congratulations man. That's why I started looking into it in the first place too. Being the "nice guy" lands you in the Just Friends Zone, but it's you don't want to act like a jerk towards women either. There is a middle ground that allows you to be the nice guy you are, but still attract women.

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you telling me pua got some belivers?? wow amen

Sure, why not? The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If I've learned something from reading PUA articles and I'm more confident in my approach as a result, what's the problem? I recognize that there are valid criticisms against some of the advice given and also against some of the practitioners of pickup artistry. If I'm only acting upon sound, ethical advice, though, and it's working, there's hardly room for criticism.

OH WOW. THE LADIES BETTER WATCH OUT. im in tears can you tell us how your dates went or day

You either learn material or you learn to become a better person.
PUA stuff revolves around women.
how many women state "I WANT A MAN THAT REVLOVES AROUND ME."
I havent seen that one yet -because women dont want a man that has her as his core in life. If you in a healthy mindset you wouldnt want it either.
By becoming a better person overall, for YOU, all the stuff that PUA tries to preach comes from a much stronger place because its CONGRUENT.

Whats the point of opening the door if you can even walk inside?

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The wrong PUA stuff revolves around just women lol
The right PUA stuff is centered on the PUA himself
...to become better person

I have met many PUAs from the community I have plenty of respect for, and I have met many PUAs from the community I have no respect for. Those who have earned my respect are the ones that understand their own innate human desire for progress, and aren't into the PUA stuff just to get laid.

By the way, women do not directly say "I WANT A MAN THAT REVOLVES AROUND ME," but that's what many men hear when women say they want a "nice guy." (that's the wrong message to take from that, by the way)

Well then, let me get your opinion on something. I need a female perspective on this.
I've only got a minute because I gotta go in a second to rejoin my friends over there, but one of our friends got this new girlfriend who's jealous of the fact that he's still talking to his ex. What do you think about this?

lol don't really answer that - it's just a standard "opinion opener."

Chief, you'd definately get a smile out of that as opposed to the F-off I'd give, "hey pretty lady".