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Topic: Another 20 people shot in Chicago
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/31/18 02:48 PM
but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. ____________________________________________________________________ And AGAIN what does punching old defenseless people have to do with poverty. Are black people the only people living in poverty? Why then is it black people doing this? if you cant deduce the answer from whats provided. I cant help you. as to black people in CONCENTRATED poverty: The results in Table 1 show African-Americans to be the group with the largest proportion of its population living in extremely poor areas. More that 25% of the African-American population lived in areas where 40% or more of the residents had incomes below the poverty threshold. This level (27.6%) is six and nearly two times greater that the corresponding levels for Whites (4.5%) and Latinos (16%), respectively. 1 in four in CONCENTRATED poverty, compared to 1 in 20 for whites. so no, blacks are not the ONLY ones in poverty, nor are they the only ones committing homicides. but they are DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in CONCENTRATED poverty just as they seem to be in all the homicide statistics people love to use in these threads tying them to criminal behavior and inferior morals. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014353/ I think most people probably are which is why most people don't sucker punch old people. but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. __________________________________________________________________ So you are saying it is the poverty that makes these black thugs sucker punch old people?.. because poor people of other ethnic groups are not doing it. So why is it only blacks? If it is poverty.. why then punch out old people?.. killing many. How does poverty warrant that? and why are Hasidic Jews being singled out in NYC?. Why tourist in Philly? If it is not poverty then again, same question.. why are these black thugs sucker punching elderly people. So Anyway you try to spin it the same questions needs to be answered.. which you have not done. Why are black thugs sucker punching elderly people.? Can you answer with a simple " Black are sucker punching the elderly because____________________________________________________. Anything else is just spin........ are you saying that it is being black that makes them punch people? what is your 'spin'? black are sucker punching the elderly because of all the same reasons that whites shoot up schoolmates ... poor training violent peer pressure poor impulse control poor coping skills the idea of 'saving face' or revenge for being isolated or disrespected Well thank you because it just confirms what I have been saying all along The first 4 points you listed are learning skills that are taught at home. By parents. But clearly not done ...at all. And your last point is frankly ridiculous. Saving face with who? So to " save face" they sucker punch old defensless people Sorry..that doesn't fly with people of morals..not at all . But then again people with morals were taught right from wrong..at home And people with morals do not blame others if we do not raise our children right if thats what you believe ... I ask readers to do their own research about how the child mind develops and the things that influence it. here are some sites to start with: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/parents-peers-children/ http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/surviving-your-childs-adolescence/201010/adolescence-and-the-influence-parents dont take my word, look into it from people who are paid to work in and research the field. Most parents do not have to research how to raise a kid as they were raised properly themselves... you know.. morals.. learning right from wrong... by example.. not some clinical survey. And clearly the people we are talking about have never read this research you pulled up or their kids would not be out sucker punching old people.. now would they. Kids are influenced by watching their parents conduct their life, no news there.. been that way forever. They mimic their parents.. so if dad is a thug guess what.. Jr. most likely will be a thug.( he thinks it o.k. since Pops did it) So please don't pawn off personal failure to other entities. At some point the black community that raised these thugs has to look in the mirror and take responsibility... But again you cherry pick out some and bypass other questions I asked you 2 point blank questions What does saving face have to do with beating up old people? And saving face to who? ( I find it interesting that many times the thugs pick out old Hasidic Jewish people to sucker punch ( here in the NYC area), strange because they have to travel to those areas, Williamsburg, Queens, ect. And they never seem to punch a able bodied Hasidic Jewish person. I can only assume since they are cowards, they don't want to get their a*s kicked.) But a question I have.. why Hasidic Jews? I didnt provide links for parents to research how to raise their kids. I gave them for readers to review how the growing mind actually works in reference to the claims that its ALL about their parents. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask teachers how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask professional businessmen or women who are working every day how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak ask ANY parent why they have different kids growing up seeing and learning the same things from them, but can still turn out so differently from each other. sometimes they do and sometimes they dont. so no, its not as simple as what the parents did or did not do, because kids are not exposed ONLY to parents, and during the week (if their parents work) they are not even exposed MOSTLY to parents. They are influenced by and motivated by MANY things, including their parents, and the way their brain is growing, and their peers, and the images from media, and the environment and teachings at school. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. _____________________________________________________________________ So when you have no valid answer... you insult. Well, there are those on this site who do in fact know me. And they also know that I have raised two sons. And they know that I have great relationships with both.. They love and respect their Dad :) One a electrician.. and a good one, good family man.. work hard. the other just finished up 9 years in the Marine Corp and he is currently continuing his education at the Doctorate level and a good family man as well. so, I think I did a pretty good job oh yeah, and BTW I have 5 grandchildren as well. They too respect their Poppy very much and look up to me. And they are being raised as respectful children.. and they know right from wrong...their mothers & fathers are teaching them.. and we taught their fathers... see how it works now ;) so... nice try ;) I apologize, truly. but it was also my true sentiment regarding what you are posting here. and the children and grandchildren are fortunate to have their family of MOTHERS and FATHERS and GRANDPARENTS to teach and support them as well as (Im guessing) safe and clean environments and neighborhoods that are not drug or alcohol or crime infested, and average or better schools where competitive curriculum is taught. that is not everyone's reality however. I am not saying it is everyone's reality but what I am saying is that those kids DO have mothers and fathers and grandparents ( unless they are family less in a home) It is when mothers, fathers, grandparents do not assume that role that is where the breakdown occurs. With the title comes the responsibility. And that can not be pawned off on someone else or some other entity. Uncle Sam... is not a real Uncle most of them DO NOT. Many are from single parent homes, are not receiving competitive educational resources and see nothing but more poverty and drugs and crime and alcohol around them every day when their parent is gone trying to work or when they are at school or going to school or from school. They are not viewing a eurocentric media or news cycle where the only success stories are entertainers or athletes, their experience is not the same as your kids or grandkids, nor are their influences. My daughter lives in a single parent home. Where I live I can't get internet. I'm sitting at a local fast food restaurant with her so she can do homework. She has advanced classes. It's patents job to educate their children. I've work over 40 hours this week. even with all the smart choices and 'wealth' of collecting rent in a few minutes? I wonder why that is.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Fri 08/31/18 03:07 PM
but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. ____________________________________________________________________ And AGAIN what does punching old defenseless people have to do with poverty. Are black people the only people living in poverty? Why then is it black people doing this? if you cant deduce the answer from whats provided. I cant help you. as to black people in CONCENTRATED poverty: The results in Table 1 show African-Americans to be the group with the largest proportion of its population living in extremely poor areas. More that 25% of the African-American population lived in areas where 40% or more of the residents had incomes below the poverty threshold. This level (27.6%) is six and nearly two times greater that the corresponding levels for Whites (4.5%) and Latinos (16%), respectively. 1 in four in CONCENTRATED poverty, compared to 1 in 20 for whites. so no, blacks are not the ONLY ones in poverty, nor are they the only ones committing homicides. but they are DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in CONCENTRATED poverty just as they seem to be in all the homicide statistics people love to use in these threads tying them to criminal behavior and inferior morals. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014353/ I think most people probably are which is why most people don't sucker punch old people. but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. __________________________________________________________________ So you are saying it is the poverty that makes these black thugs sucker punch old people?.. because poor people of other ethnic groups are not doing it. So why is it only blacks? If it is poverty.. why then punch out old people?.. killing many. How does poverty warrant that? and why are Hasidic Jews being singled out in NYC?. Why tourist in Philly? If it is not poverty then again, same question.. why are these black thugs sucker punching elderly people. So Anyway you try to spin it the same questions needs to be answered.. which you have not done. Why are black thugs sucker punching elderly people.? Can you answer with a simple " Black are sucker punching the elderly because____________________________________________________. Anything else is just spin........ are you saying that it is being black that makes them punch people? what is your 'spin'? black are sucker punching the elderly because of all the same reasons that whites shoot up schoolmates ... poor training violent peer pressure poor impulse control poor coping skills the idea of 'saving face' or revenge for being isolated or disrespected Well thank you because it just confirms what I have been saying all along The first 4 points you listed are learning skills that are taught at home. By parents. But clearly not done ...at all. And your last point is frankly ridiculous. Saving face with who? So to " save face" they sucker punch old defensless people Sorry..that doesn't fly with people of morals..not at all . But then again people with morals were taught right from wrong..at home And people with morals do not blame others if we do not raise our children right if thats what you believe ... I ask readers to do their own research about how the child mind develops and the things that influence it. here are some sites to start with: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/parents-peers-children/ http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/surviving-your-childs-adolescence/201010/adolescence-and-the-influence-parents dont take my word, look into it from people who are paid to work in and research the field. Most parents do not have to research how to raise a kid as they were raised properly themselves... you know.. morals.. learning right from wrong... by example.. not some clinical survey. And clearly the people we are talking about have never read this research you pulled up or their kids would not be out sucker punching old people.. now would they. Kids are influenced by watching their parents conduct their life, no news there.. been that way forever. They mimic their parents.. so if dad is a thug guess what.. Jr. most likely will be a thug.( he thinks it o.k. since Pops did it) So please don't pawn off personal failure to other entities. At some point the black community that raised these thugs has to look in the mirror and take responsibility... But again you cherry pick out some and bypass other questions I asked you 2 point blank questions What does saving face have to do with beating up old people? And saving face to who? ( I find it interesting that many times the thugs pick out old Hasidic Jewish people to sucker punch ( here in the NYC area), strange because they have to travel to those areas, Williamsburg, Queens, ect. And they never seem to punch a able bodied Hasidic Jewish person. I can only assume since they are cowards, they don't want to get their a*s kicked.) But a question I have.. why Hasidic Jews? I didnt provide links for parents to research how to raise their kids. I gave them for readers to review how the growing mind actually works in reference to the claims that its ALL about their parents. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask teachers how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask professional businessmen or women who are working every day how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak ask ANY parent why they have different kids growing up seeing and learning the same things from them, but can still turn out so differently from each other. sometimes they do and sometimes they dont. so no, its not as simple as what the parents did or did not do, because kids are not exposed ONLY to parents, and during the week (if their parents work) they are not even exposed MOSTLY to parents. They are influenced by and motivated by MANY things, including their parents, and the way their brain is growing, and their peers, and the images from media, and the environment and teachings at school. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. _____________________________________________________________________ So when you have no valid answer... you insult. Well, there are those on this site who do in fact know me. And they also know that I have raised two sons. And they know that I have great relationships with both.. They love and respect their Dad :) One a electrician.. and a good one, good family man.. work hard. the other just finished up 9 years in the Marine Corp and he is currently continuing his education at the Doctorate level and a good family man as well. so, I think I did a pretty good job oh yeah, and BTW I have 5 grandchildren as well. They too respect their Poppy very much and look up to me. And they are being raised as respectful children.. and they know right from wrong...their mothers & fathers are teaching them.. and we taught their fathers... see how it works now ;) so... nice try ;) I apologize, truly. but it was also my true sentiment regarding what you are posting here. and the children and grandchildren are fortunate to have their family of MOTHERS and FATHERS and GRANDPARENTS to teach and support them as well as (Im guessing) safe and clean environments and neighborhoods that are not drug or alcohol or crime infested, and average or better schools where competitive curriculum is taught. that is not everyone's reality however. I am not saying it is everyone's reality but what I am saying is that those kids DO have mothers and fathers and grandparents ( unless they are family less in a home) It is when mothers, fathers, grandparents do not assume that role that is where the breakdown occurs. With the title comes the responsibility. And that can not be pawned off on someone else or some other entity. Uncle Sam... is not a real Uncle most of them DO NOT. Many are from single parent homes, are not receiving competitive educational resources and see nothing but more poverty and drugs and crime and alcohol around them every day when their parent is gone trying to work or when they are at school or going to school or from school. They are not viewing a eurocentric media or news cycle where the only success stories are entertainers or athletes, their experience is not the same as your kids or grandkids, nor are their influences. My daughter lives in a single parent home. Where I live I can't get internet. I'm sitting at a local fast food restaurant with her so she can do homework. She has advanced classes. It's patents job to educate their children. I've work over 40 hours this week. even with all the smart choices and 'wealth' of collecting rent in a few minutes? I wonder why that is. Because I choose to live in a small town that isn't like chicago. Internet isn't offered at my home. They are working on it. It was in our local paper a few months ago if you want to try to find the article. Last time I collected rent was after working a 10 hour day.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/31/18 03:31 PM
but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. ____________________________________________________________________ And AGAIN what does punching old defenseless people have to do with poverty. Are black people the only people living in poverty? Why then is it black people doing this? if you cant deduce the answer from whats provided. I cant help you. as to black people in CONCENTRATED poverty: The results in Table 1 show African-Americans to be the group with the largest proportion of its population living in extremely poor areas. More that 25% of the African-American population lived in areas where 40% or more of the residents had incomes below the poverty threshold. This level (27.6%) is six and nearly two times greater that the corresponding levels for Whites (4.5%) and Latinos (16%), respectively. 1 in four in CONCENTRATED poverty, compared to 1 in 20 for whites. so no, blacks are not the ONLY ones in poverty, nor are they the only ones committing homicides. but they are DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in CONCENTRATED poverty just as they seem to be in all the homicide statistics people love to use in these threads tying them to criminal behavior and inferior morals. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014353/ I think most people probably are which is why most people don't sucker punch old people. but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. __________________________________________________________________ So you are saying it is the poverty that makes these black thugs sucker punch old people?.. because poor people of other ethnic groups are not doing it. So why is it only blacks? If it is poverty.. why then punch out old people?.. killing many. How does poverty warrant that? and why are Hasidic Jews being singled out in NYC?. Why tourist in Philly? If it is not poverty then again, same question.. why are these black thugs sucker punching elderly people. So Anyway you try to spin it the same questions needs to be answered.. which you have not done. Why are black thugs sucker punching elderly people.? Can you answer with a simple " Black are sucker punching the elderly because____________________________________________________. Anything else is just spin........ are you saying that it is being black that makes them punch people? what is your 'spin'? black are sucker punching the elderly because of all the same reasons that whites shoot up schoolmates ... poor training violent peer pressure poor impulse control poor coping skills the idea of 'saving face' or revenge for being isolated or disrespected Well thank you because it just confirms what I have been saying all along The first 4 points you listed are learning skills that are taught at home. By parents. But clearly not done ...at all. And your last point is frankly ridiculous. Saving face with who? So to " save face" they sucker punch old defensless people Sorry..that doesn't fly with people of morals..not at all . But then again people with morals were taught right from wrong..at home And people with morals do not blame others if we do not raise our children right if thats what you believe ... I ask readers to do their own research about how the child mind develops and the things that influence it. here are some sites to start with: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/parents-peers-children/ http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/surviving-your-childs-adolescence/201010/adolescence-and-the-influence-parents dont take my word, look into it from people who are paid to work in and research the field. Most parents do not have to research how to raise a kid as they were raised properly themselves... you know.. morals.. learning right from wrong... by example.. not some clinical survey. And clearly the people we are talking about have never read this research you pulled up or their kids would not be out sucker punching old people.. now would they. Kids are influenced by watching their parents conduct their life, no news there.. been that way forever. They mimic their parents.. so if dad is a thug guess what.. Jr. most likely will be a thug.( he thinks it o.k. since Pops did it) So please don't pawn off personal failure to other entities. At some point the black community that raised these thugs has to look in the mirror and take responsibility... But again you cherry pick out some and bypass other questions I asked you 2 point blank questions What does saving face have to do with beating up old people? And saving face to who? ( I find it interesting that many times the thugs pick out old Hasidic Jewish people to sucker punch ( here in the NYC area), strange because they have to travel to those areas, Williamsburg, Queens, ect. And they never seem to punch a able bodied Hasidic Jewish person. I can only assume since they are cowards, they don't want to get their a*s kicked.) But a question I have.. why Hasidic Jews? I didnt provide links for parents to research how to raise their kids. I gave them for readers to review how the growing mind actually works in reference to the claims that its ALL about their parents. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask teachers how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask professional businessmen or women who are working every day how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak ask ANY parent why they have different kids growing up seeing and learning the same things from them, but can still turn out so differently from each other. sometimes they do and sometimes they dont. so no, its not as simple as what the parents did or did not do, because kids are not exposed ONLY to parents, and during the week (if their parents work) they are not even exposed MOSTLY to parents. They are influenced by and motivated by MANY things, including their parents, and the way their brain is growing, and their peers, and the images from media, and the environment and teachings at school. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. _____________________________________________________________________ So when you have no valid answer... you insult. Well, there are those on this site who do in fact know me. And they also know that I have raised two sons. And they know that I have great relationships with both.. They love and respect their Dad :) One a electrician.. and a good one, good family man.. work hard. the other just finished up 9 years in the Marine Corp and he is currently continuing his education at the Doctorate level and a good family man as well. so, I think I did a pretty good job oh yeah, and BTW I have 5 grandchildren as well. They too respect their Poppy very much and look up to me. And they are being raised as respectful children.. and they know right from wrong...their mothers & fathers are teaching them.. and we taught their fathers... see how it works now ;) so... nice try ;) I apologize, truly. but it was also my true sentiment regarding what you are posting here. and the children and grandchildren are fortunate to have their family of MOTHERS and FATHERS and GRANDPARENTS to teach and support them as well as (Im guessing) safe and clean environments and neighborhoods that are not drug or alcohol or crime infested, and average or better schools where competitive curriculum is taught. that is not everyone's reality however. I am not saying it is everyone's reality but what I am saying is that those kids DO have mothers and fathers and grandparents ( unless they are family less in a home) It is when mothers, fathers, grandparents do not assume that role that is where the breakdown occurs. With the title comes the responsibility. And that can not be pawned off on someone else or some other entity. Uncle Sam... is not a real Uncle most of them DO NOT. Many are from single parent homes, are not receiving competitive educational resources and see nothing but more poverty and drugs and crime and alcohol around them every day when their parent is gone trying to work or when they are at school or going to school or from school. They are not viewing a eurocentric media or news cycle where the only success stories are entertainers or athletes, their experience is not the same as your kids or grandkids, nor are their influences. My daughter lives in a single parent home. Where I live I can't get internet. I'm sitting at a local fast food restaurant with her so she can do homework. She has advanced classes. It's patents job to educate their children. I've work over 40 hours this week. even with all the smart choices and 'wealth' of collecting rent in a few minutes? I wonder why that is. Because I choose to live in a small town that isn't like chicago. Internet isn't offered at my home. They are working on it. It was in our local paper a few months ago if you want to try to find the article. Last time I collected rent was after working a 10 hour day. yes, NOT LIKE CHICAGO. we agree on something.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Fri 08/31/18 03:43 PM
In Atlanta there are murders and car jacking on a daily basis. People can choose to live in other places. It's cheaper to live farther from the city, so being poor isn't an excuse. The blacks at Honda would take off to Atlanta as soon as they got a car to drive. Lol

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Fri 08/31/18 03:57 PM
but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. ____________________________________________________________________ And AGAIN what does punching old defenseless people have to do with poverty. Are black people the only people living in poverty? Why then is it black people doing this? if you cant deduce the answer from whats provided. I cant help you. as to black people in CONCENTRATED poverty: The results in Table 1 show African-Americans to be the group with the largest proportion of its population living in extremely poor areas. More that 25% of the African-American population lived in areas where 40% or more of the residents had incomes below the poverty threshold. This level (27.6%) is six and nearly two times greater that the corresponding levels for Whites (4.5%) and Latinos (16%), respectively. 1 in four in CONCENTRATED poverty, compared to 1 in 20 for whites. so no, blacks are not the ONLY ones in poverty, nor are they the only ones committing homicides. but they are DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in CONCENTRATED poverty just as they seem to be in all the homicide statistics people love to use in these threads tying them to criminal behavior and inferior morals. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014353/ I think most people probably are which is why most people don't sucker punch old people. but those who are will be found to have come from poverty and not from families with any means. __________________________________________________________________ So you are saying it is the poverty that makes these black thugs sucker punch old people?.. because poor people of other ethnic groups are not doing it. So why is it only blacks? If it is poverty.. why then punch out old people?.. killing many. How does poverty warrant that? and why are Hasidic Jews being singled out in NYC?. Why tourist in Philly? If it is not poverty then again, same question.. why are these black thugs sucker punching elderly people. So Anyway you try to spin it the same questions needs to be answered.. which you have not done. Why are black thugs sucker punching elderly people.? Can you answer with a simple " Black are sucker punching the elderly because____________________________________________________. Anything else is just spin........ are you saying that it is being black that makes them punch people? what is your 'spin'? black are sucker punching the elderly because of all the same reasons that whites shoot up schoolmates ... poor training violent peer pressure poor impulse control poor coping skills the idea of 'saving face' or revenge for being isolated or disrespected Well thank you because it just confirms what I have been saying all along The first 4 points you listed are learning skills that are taught at home. By parents. But clearly not done ...at all. And your last point is frankly ridiculous. Saving face with who? So to " save face" they sucker punch old defensless people Sorry..that doesn't fly with people of morals..not at all . But then again people with morals were taught right from wrong..at home And people with morals do not blame others if we do not raise our children right if thats what you believe ... I ask readers to do their own research about how the child mind develops and the things that influence it. here are some sites to start with: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/parents-peers-children/ http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/surviving-your-childs-adolescence/201010/adolescence-and-the-influence-parents dont take my word, look into it from people who are paid to work in and research the field. Most parents do not have to research how to raise a kid as they were raised properly themselves... you know.. morals.. learning right from wrong... by example.. not some clinical survey. And clearly the people we are talking about have never read this research you pulled up or their kids would not be out sucker punching old people.. now would they. Kids are influenced by watching their parents conduct their life, no news there.. been that way forever. They mimic their parents.. so if dad is a thug guess what.. Jr. most likely will be a thug.( he thinks it o.k. since Pops did it) So please don't pawn off personal failure to other entities. At some point the black community that raised these thugs has to look in the mirror and take responsibility... But again you cherry pick out some and bypass other questions I asked you 2 point blank questions What does saving face have to do with beating up old people? And saving face to who? ( I find it interesting that many times the thugs pick out old Hasidic Jewish people to sucker punch ( here in the NYC area), strange because they have to travel to those areas, Williamsburg, Queens, ect. And they never seem to punch a able bodied Hasidic Jewish person. I can only assume since they are cowards, they don't want to get their a*s kicked.) But a question I have.. why Hasidic Jews? I didnt provide links for parents to research how to raise their kids. I gave them for readers to review how the growing mind actually works in reference to the claims that its ALL about their parents. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask teachers how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. ask professional businessmen or women who are working every day how true it is their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak ask ANY parent why they have different kids growing up seeing and learning the same things from them, but can still turn out so differently from each other. sometimes they do and sometimes they dont. so no, its not as simple as what the parents did or did not do, because kids are not exposed ONLY to parents, and during the week (if their parents work) they are not even exposed MOSTLY to parents. They are influenced by and motivated by MANY things, including their parents, and the way their brain is growing, and their peers, and the images from media, and the environment and teachings at school. Its hard to believe you have been around or been a parent, truly. Ask pastors how true it is that their kids watch and therefore become their twin, doing what they did and speaking how they speak. _____________________________________________________________________ So when you have no valid answer... you insult. Well, there are those on this site who do in fact know me. And they also know that I have raised two sons. And they know that I have great relationships with both.. They love and respect their Dad :) One a electrician.. and a good one, good family man.. work hard. the other just finished up 9 years in the Marine Corp and he is currently continuing his education at the Doctorate level and a good family man as well. so, I think I did a pretty good job oh yeah, and BTW I have 5 grandchildren as well. They too respect their Poppy very much and look up to me. And they are being raised as respectful children.. and they know right from wrong...their mothers & fathers are teaching them.. and we taught their fathers... see how it works now ;) so... nice try ;) I apologize, truly. but it was also my true sentiment regarding what you are posting here. and the children and grandchildren are fortunate to have their family of MOTHERS and FATHERS and GRANDPARENTS to teach and support them as well as (Im guessing) safe and clean environments and neighborhoods that are not drug or alcohol or crime infested, and average or better schools where competitive curriculum is taught. that is not everyone's reality however. I am not saying it is everyone's reality but what I am saying is that those kids DO have mothers and fathers and grandparents ( unless they are family less in a home) It is when mothers, fathers, grandparents do not assume that role that is where the breakdown occurs. With the title comes the responsibility. And that can not be pawned off on someone else or some other entity. Uncle Sam... is not a real Uncle most of them DO NOT. Many are from single parent homes, are not receiving competitive educational resources and see nothing but more poverty and drugs and crime and alcohol around them every day when their parent is gone trying to work or when they are at school or going to school or from school. They are not viewing a eurocentric media or news cycle where the only success stories are entertainers or athletes, their experience is not the same as your kids or grandkids, nor are their influences. My daughter lives in a single parent home. Where I live I can't get internet. I'm sitting at a local fast food restaurant with her so she can do homework. She has advanced classes. It's patents job to educate their children. I've work over 40 hours this week. even with all the smart choices and 'wealth' of collecting rent in a few minutes? I wonder why that is. You got quiet. I'm also on a well and take my trash to a convience center. Wealth is built. My mortgage is close to being paid off. I need steady employment to take out another loan. America is full of opurtunies. It just takes work.

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Fri 08/31/18 03:57 PM
most of them DO NOT. Many are from single parent homes, are not receiving competitive educational resources and see nothing but more poverty and drugs and crime and alcohol around them every day _______________________________________________________________________ Wait a minute..wasn't it you who was trying to convince us that 3 out 4 black mothers were not single parents ..74%... now you are saying ... there are? which is it MS And where is the baby daddy?. And who is doing the drugs?.. the alcohol?.. the crime? all around them...Mom?.. baby daddy?.. It sure as hell is not Uncle Sam.. or the cops.. or the we folks... where is the rest of the family structure?.. grandparents? Who is raising these kids!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/31/18 04:46 PM
most of them DO NOT. Many are from single parent homes, are not receiving competitive educational resources and see nothing but more poverty and drugs and crime and alcohol around them every day _______________________________________________________________________ Wait a minute..wasn't it you who was trying to convince us that 3 out 4 black mothers were not single parents ..74%... now you are saying ... there are? which is it MS And where is the baby daddy?. And who is doing the drugs?.. the alcohol?.. the crime? all around them...Mom?.. baby daddy?.. It sure as hell is not Uncle Sam.. or the cops.. or the we folks... where is the rest of the family structure?.. grandparents? Who is raising these kids! no. I have not raised the issue of what portion of a race is anything in the previous post. I posted that most of those involved in gangs are from single parent homes. READ. I dont know where the baby daddy is. The drugs are being sold in the streets. The alcohol is being sold at legal stores all throughout their neighborhood. The crime is also all around them. People go through crap, who knows what happens in anyone's family or why their family situation ends up how it does? Is there a point to all the questions?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/31/18 04:53 PM
Why do teens join gangs, from Psychology Today Why Do Teens Join Gangs? 1. To Belong - These teens feel that they are misfits and have no place in the world. Gangs tap into these insecurities by promising the teen a family that will forever take care of them. 2. To Make Money - Gangs are an illegal money making industry. Teens can make a quick buck for dealing drugs, stealing, selling stolen goods, and even trading weapons. 3. For Protection - In socioeconomic challenged neighborhoods and areas with high crime rates, teens often join gangs in order to survive. Gang members "have each other's back" so they usually hang in groups to prevent rival members from "jumping them". 4. To Have A Place to Hang and Something to Do- Gangs instill their member that they don't need anyone else in life but their "brothers or sisters" and that the "family will always take care of them". So, members spend their time hanging out, getting into trouble and partying. Gangs throw some massive bashes with music, drugs, alcohol, sex and violence. 5. For the Thrill - Some teens like the thrill of doing something to see if they can get by with it. This can include engaging in illegal activities. Some teens may enjoy the "high" or "rush" they get from breaking the law and defying authority. 6. Peer Pressure - Gangs can put the squeeze on teens to join their life of crime. They will court, threaten and even entice their new recruits. Since they seek out young kids to join the group, oftentimes, these youth look up to the older gang members. So, the odds of joining a gang increase. Parents know who your kids are hanging with.

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Fri 08/31/18 05:25 PM
I dont know where the baby daddy is. The drugs are being sold in the streets. The alcohol is being sold at legal stores all throughout their neighborhood. The crime is also all around them. People go through crap, who knows what happens in anyone's family or why their family situation ends up how it does? Is there a point to all the questions? ____________________________________________________________________ yes.. there is: " the drugs are being sold out on the street"..... by who? who is making the money off the drug sales? " the alcohol is being sold at legal stores".. and who is consuming it? " crime is all around them"... and who is committing the crimes? The point: the drugs, the alcohol, the crime.. all being done by people living there..family members living there are doing it.... it is internal... not some outside force. So the breakdown.. is in the family.. that is the root cause. The Baby Daddies... lost cause.. everyone knows they had no intension of raising the children they sired.. none. So you can put all the Government programs you want into place , nothing will work until the root cause is fixed. You go to the doctor, you are sick.. he addresses the root cause of the issue.. not the symptoms, that is how it is cured.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/31/18 06:24 PM
I dont know where the baby daddy is. The drugs are being sold in the streets. The alcohol is being sold at legal stores all throughout their neighborhood. The crime is also all around them. People go through crap, who knows what happens in anyone's family or why their family situation ends up how it does? Is there a point to all the questions? ____________________________________________________________________ yes.. there is: " the drugs are being sold out on the street"..... by who? who is making the money off the drug sales? " the alcohol is being sold at legal stores".. and who is consuming it? " crime is all around them"... and who is committing the crimes? The point: the drugs, the alcohol, the crime.. all being done by people living there..family members living there are doing it.... it is internal... not some outside force. So the breakdown.. is in the family.. that is the root cause. The Baby Daddies... lost cause.. everyone knows they had no intension of raising the children they sired.. none. So you can put all the Government programs you want into place , nothing will work until the root cause is fixed. You go to the doctor, you are sick.. he addresses the root cause of the issue.. not the symptoms, that is how it is cured. many health issues cannot be pinpointed to a 'root cause', obesity is caused by a combination of diet AND exercise, for instance Allergies, are caused by an allergen AND an over active immune system the answer is never going to be SIMPLE when a problem is complex. no child is raised in a vacuum, it starts with parents but it TAKES a community. fix one or the other wont work, fixing both is required.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Sat 09/01/18 02:12 AM
From listening to those women at Honda I would say dad is probably back in prison. 2 of the women took a day off work when a man got parole. Even though they were on welfare and had kids to take care of, screwing a man who just got released from prison was their priority. When the weekend came the club and screwing at the hotel was their priority. Time with their kids was last on their list of things to do. You would think women who didn't want to spend time with the kids they already have would take birth control pills. They both got pregnant again with kids mom nor dad want. Grandparents were complaining because they were having to take care of them.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/18 02:15 AM
From listening to those women at Honda I would say dad is probably back in prison. 2 of the women took a day off work when a man got parole. Even though they were on welfare and had kids to take care of, screwing a man who just got released from prison was their priority. When the weekend came the club and screwing at the hotel was their priority. Time with their kids was last on their list of things to do. You would think women who didn't want to spend time with the kids they already have would take birth control pills. They both got pregnant again with kids mom nor dad want. Grandparents were complaining because they were having to take care of them. you should ask those Honda women if you can write their biography for them. The mere scandal of a working mom taking a day off would sell millions ...

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Sat 09/01/18 02:20 AM
We had already been told we would be fired after missing two days of work. I saved my days in case my daughter got sick. It's called being a good parent. You just don't like the fact that these kids are turning out to be thugs because they don't have anyone parenting them. They aren't educated because mom is busy screwing instead of teaching them. Mom is on welfare and living in the ghetto because her only consern is a man.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/18 02:23 AM
We had already been told we would be fired after missing two days of work. I saved my days in case my daughter got sick. It's called being a good parent. You just don't like the fact that these kids are turning out to be thugs because they don't have anyone parenting them. They aren't educated because mom is busy screwing instead of teaching them. Mom is on welfare and living in the ghetto because her only consern is a man. perhaps a career in psychic readings should be considered as well, never seen anyone so privvy to what other people feel or intend.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Sat 09/01/18 02:26 AM
The two that took the day off got pregnant again and quit work to stay home. Added more unwanted kids to the mix.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/18 02:30 AM
so, they were sexually active and might have wanted to take care of their baby? they had a job, they had a man ... I dont know anything else about them or their values. Maybe you do, but so what? We all no doubt have run into people who's priorities we dont agree with. I was working and had a husband, I didn't quit my job, but I also left to stay home with my baby until I was able to return to work, also with my baby. I was fortunate enough to have a job that valued me that much, not everyone does.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Sat 09/01/18 02:41 AM
Their poverty isn't something society is doing to them. It's what they are creating for themselves. I personally told them they needed to be taking birth control pills. A black woman older than me jumped in and said having a baby didn't change her life. She said she just took the baby with her to parties and treats herself to getting her nails done as a treat. One of her son's is in prison. The other lives with another family out of state. She complained about her son's baby moma not sending him money in prison. She had 4 kids with a man in prison.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Sat 09/01/18 02:46 AM
so, they were sexually active and might have wanted to take care of their baby? they had a job, they had a man ... I dont know anything else about them or their values. Maybe you do, but so what? We all no doubt have run into people who's priorities we dont agree with. I was working and had a husband, I didn't quit my job, but I also left to stay home with my baby until I was able to return to work, also with my baby. I was fortunate enough to have a job that valued me that much, not everyone does. They didn't have a man. The men who got out of prison moved on to other women after the day of screwing. They had jobs for about 3 months. This is where our tax money is going. These women clearly don't want the kids. It looked like they were trying to trap men.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/18 02:52 AM
Their poverty isn't something society is doing to them. It's what they are creating for themselves. I personally told them they needed to be taking birth control pills. A black woman older than me jumped in and said having a baby didn't change her life. She said she just took the baby with her to parties and treats herself to getting her nails done as a treat. One of her son's is in prison. The other lives with another family out of state. She complained about her son's baby moma not sending him money in prison. She had 4 kids with a man in prison. sorry for the drama thats attracted to ya for some reason.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/18 02:55 AM
so, they were sexually active and might have wanted to take care of their baby? they had a job, they had a man ... I dont know anything else about them or their values. Maybe you do, but so what? We all no doubt have run into people who's priorities we dont agree with. I was working and had a husband, I didn't quit my job, but I also left to stay home with my baby until I was able to return to work, also with my baby. I was fortunate enough to have a job that valued me that much, not everyone does. They didn't have a man. The men who got out of prison moved on to other women after the day of screwing. They had jobs for about 3 months. This is where our tax money is going. These women clearly don't want the kids. It looked like they were trying to trap men. so, let me get this straight. these women who quit their job told you it was because the man was on parole and they told you that they were quitting their job to stay home and then they updated you on how many more kids they had? ... I take it back , perhaps psychologist would be a better position, not often people open up with that much information and updates to others who could so obviously care less about them. our tax money goes to alot of things, studies, military, buildings, roads, and even covering the breaks that wealthy get on their tax, oh yeah, AND the elderly, disabled, and children who are impoverished.