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Topic: Violence in chicago
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/06/18 06:35 PM
Residents could make a big difference in the problem. They could set up a charity for donation to offer rewards. Some people would turn in their own mom for some money. yes. communities in concentrated poverty are gonna set up donations for rewards ... and when the reward is given, there will be no repurcussion to the obvious winner when other non savory find out they snitched. if only everyone's life was the same Easy answers existence as some ...

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Mon 08/06/18 06:40 PM
It could be anonymous

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 08/06/18 06:48 PM
The only issue I see with the proposals is that Chicago is singled out. though in raw numbers the violence is high, it is not close to the highest when accounting for the population in Chicago. there are many cities with even more 'epidemic' rates per capita of violent crime. And if we put national guard in all those cities, its a pandora's box that could lead to an enforcement trend nationwide, which I would not want to see. I think there have been other times that violence has spiked and somehow came back down and other places where violence has been curbed by measures beyond military efforts. Perhaps we can take some cues from what has already worked before to bring the numbers down, before resorting to military state, or cities. no there's not...the only other city is new Orleans, the city that was made into the "chocolate city" after hurricane Rita hit.... And they don't have the ridiculous gun laws like Chicago...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/06/18 06:57 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/06/18 06:58 PM
The only issue I see with the proposals is that Chicago is singled out. though in raw numbers the violence is high, it is not close to the highest when accounting for the population in Chicago. there are many cities with even more 'epidemic' rates per capita of violent crime. And if we put national guard in all those cities, its a pandora's box that could lead to an enforcement trend nationwide, which I would not want to see. I think there have been other times that violence has spiked and somehow came back down and other places where violence has been curbed by measures beyond military efforts. Perhaps we can take some cues from what has already worked before to bring the numbers down, before resorting to military state, or cities. no there's not...the only other city is new Orleans, the city that was made into the "chocolate city" after hurricane Rita hit.... And they don't have the ridiculous gun laws like Chicago... yes there is, Chicago has a PER CAPITA rate of that is not close to the highest A non-profit news outlet that focuses on gun coverage called The Trace, found that in gun violence per capita, Chicago isn’t even in the top 10 — or the top 15. Miami, Washington, D.C. and other metro areas are worse. And here are the absolute worst: New Orleans is on top, followed by Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore and Oakland. You have to go all the way down to number 18 to find Chicago, right behind Pittsburgh. https://wgntv.com/2017/06/20/chicago-not-most-dangerous-u-s-city-in-new-study/ in other words, looking at raw numbers, a city having 100 murders seems worse than one that has 50 UNLESS the former has a population of 10,000 and the latter only a population of 60... so the proportion to the population (per capita)matters when measuring severity from city to city.

Redrider1500 Joined Wed 04/25/18 Posts: 865	Mon 08/06/18 07:09 PM
Yup, those gun laws aren't working. It's too easy to step around them.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/06/18 07:10 PM
Yup, those gun laws aren't working. It's too easy to step around them. it is difficult if the laws in surrounding areas do not align. People are willing to travel for guns.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/06/18 07:12 PM
Yup, those gun laws aren't working. It's too easy to step around them. it is difficult if the laws in surrounding areas do not align. People are willing to travel for guns.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 08/06/18 08:25 PM
The only issue I see with the proposals is that Chicago is singled out. though in raw numbers the violence is high, it is not close to the highest when accounting for the population in Chicago. there are many cities with even more 'epidemic' rates per capita of violent crime. And if we put national guard in all those cities, its a pandora's box that could lead to an enforcement trend nationwide, which I would not want to see. I think there have been other times that violence has spiked and somehow came back down and other places where violence has been curbed by measures beyond military efforts. Perhaps we can take some cues from what has already worked before to bring the numbers down, before resorting to military state, or cities. no there's not...the only other city is new Orleans, the city that was made into the "chocolate city" after hurricane Rita hit.... And they don't have the ridiculous gun laws like Chicago... yes there is, Chicago has a PER CAPITA rate of that is not close to the highest A non-profit news outlet that focuses on gun coverage called The Trace, found that in gun violence per capita, Chicago isn’t even in the top 10 — or the top 15. Miami, Washington, D.C. and other metro areas are worse. And here are the absolute worst: New Orleans is on top, followed by Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore and Oakland. You have to go all the way down to number 18 to find Chicago, right behind Pittsburgh. https://wgntv.com/2017/06/20/chicago-not-most-dangerous-u-s-city-in-new-study/ in other words, looking at raw numbers, a city having 100 murders seems worse than one that has 50 UNLESS the former has a population of 10,000 and the latter only a population of 60... so the proportion to the population (per capita)matters when measuring severity from city to city. oh phttt... Always a spin...new Orleans is number 1, Chicago is number 2... No per capita crap

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Mon 08/06/18 09:52 PM Edited by TJN on Mon 08/06/18 09:54 PM
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TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Mon 08/06/18 09:54 PM
Yup, those gun laws aren't working. It's too easy to step around them. it is difficult if the laws in surrounding areas do not align. People are willing to travel for guns. The flaw in your theory is I’d be willing to bet those doing the shooting aren’t able to legally own a firearm so they don’t need to travel but around the corner to obtain a firearm.

Sunryzer Joined Fri 08/03/18 Posts: 111	Mon 08/06/18 10:17 PM
Let me guess. Eric Holder is still gun running. These firearms have to be brought in ... By who and from where. I suspect that we may find out...one day.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/06/18 10:17 PM
Yup, those gun laws aren't working. It's too easy to step around them. it is difficult if the laws in surrounding areas do not align. People are willing to travel for guns. The flaw in your theory is I’d be willing to bet those doing the shooting aren’t able to legally own a firearm so they don’t need to travel but around the corner to obtain a firearm. you'd be surprised ... Sixty percent of firearms recovered by police originated from a dealer outside Illinois, research showed, with one out of every five guns coming from Indiana. https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017-454016983.html

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/06/18 10:19 PM
The only issue I see with the proposals is that Chicago is singled out. though in raw numbers the violence is high, it is not close to the highest when accounting for the population in Chicago. there are many cities with even more 'epidemic' rates per capita of violent crime. And if we put national guard in all those cities, its a pandora's box that could lead to an enforcement trend nationwide, which I would not want to see. I think there have been other times that violence has spiked and somehow came back down and other places where violence has been curbed by measures beyond military efforts. Perhaps we can take some cues from what has already worked before to bring the numbers down, before resorting to military state, or cities. no there's not...the only other city is new Orleans, the city that was made into the "chocolate city" after hurricane Rita hit.... And they don't have the ridiculous gun laws like Chicago... yes there is, Chicago has a PER CAPITA rate of that is not close to the highest A non-profit news outlet that focuses on gun coverage called The Trace, found that in gun violence per capita, Chicago isn’t even in the top 10 — or the top 15. Miami, Washington, D.C. and other metro areas are worse. And here are the absolute worst: New Orleans is on top, followed by Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore and Oakland. You have to go all the way down to number 18 to find Chicago, right behind Pittsburgh. https://wgntv.com/2017/06/20/chicago-not-most-dangerous-u-s-city-in-new-study/ in other words, looking at raw numbers, a city having 100 murders seems worse than one that has 50 UNLESS the former has a population of 10,000 and the latter only a population of 60... so the proportion to the population (per capita)matters when measuring severity from city to city. oh phttt... Always a spin...new Orleans is number 1, Chicago is number 2... No per capita crap no crap, just logic a community where 50 percent are dying is worse off than one where 5 percent are, regardless of the raw numbers ...

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Tue 08/07/18 04:37 AM
Residents could make a big difference in the problem. They could set up a charity for donation to offer rewards. Some people would turn in their own mom for some money. yes. communities in concentrated poverty are gonna set up donations for rewards ... and when the reward is given, there will be no repurcussion to the obvious winner when other non savory find out they snitched. if only everyone's life was the same Easy answers existence as some ... Its called " Crime stop" and most every metro area has it in place. billboards, commercials, ect, ect. It is totally anonymous and.. it works. fact is many thugs have been turned in by their so called friends...or family... for the money. Money makes people talk. For me, I could care less about forking over the money as long as one more animal was off the streets and caged.. like they belong. Act like a animal.. get treated like a animal.

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Tue 08/07/18 05:00 AM
The only issue I see with the proposals is that Chicago is singled out. though in raw numbers the violence is high, it is not close to the highest when accounting for the population in Chicago. there are many cities with even more 'epidemic' rates per capita of violent crime. And if we put national guard in all those cities, its a pandora's box that could lead to an enforcement trend nationwide, which I would not want to see. I think there have been other times that violence has spiked and somehow came back down and other places where violence has been curbed by measures beyond military efforts. Perhaps we can take some cues from what has already worked before to bring the numbers down, before resorting to military state, or cities. no there's not...the only other city is new Orleans, the city that was made into the "chocolate city" after hurricane Rita hit.... And they don't have the ridiculous gun laws like Chicago... yes there is, Chicago has a PER CAPITA rate of that is not close to the highest A non-profit news outlet that focuses on gun coverage called The Trace, found that in gun violence per capita, Chicago isn’t even in the top 10 — or the top 15. Miami, Washington, D.C. and other metro areas are worse. And here are the absolute worst: New Orleans is on top, followed by Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore and Oakland. You have to go all the way down to number 18 to find Chicago, right behind Pittsburgh. https://wgntv.com/2017/06/20/chicago-not-most-dangerous-u-s-city-in-new-study/ in other words, looking at raw numbers, a city having 100 murders seems worse than one that has 50 UNLESS the former has a population of 10,000 and the latter only a population of 60... so the proportion to the population (per capita)matters when measuring severity from city to city. And here are the absolute worst: New Orleans is on top, followed by Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore and Oakland. ____________________________________________________________________ And who is committing these crimes in these cities? In NYC 76% of the violent crimes are committed by ... blacks. Can you supply the %.. for the cities you listed?.. would you like to bet they are the same as NYC. There are thugs in every metro area and they are committing the majority of the violent crimes.. murder, shootings, rape, slashing's, car jacking, robberies, ect, ect. This is no secrete.. it is documented.. fact. If it were whites, Asians, ect we would be talking about them.. but its not.. its blacks. sorry... but it is FACT And it has nothing to do with " spikes and dips".. it has nothing to do with cops not protecting or the government not doing enough and it has everything to do with the way they were raised and the morals.. that they were NOT taught. These are not kids.. they are grown men who know the difference between right and wrong.. and they choose.. wrong There is a web site that shows the faces of the people killed in Chicago last year.. shot.. and murdered. the kids are especially.. heart wrenching. caught in the cross fire.. The overwhelming majority are... black.. the site also shows the photos of the ones arrested for these crimes to date... yep...black. Black on black crime... genocide so you can pull up all the pie charts, " spikes and dips charts" and you can deflect the problem to the government all you want, but at the end of the day, you know as well as everyone else that it is black thugs committing these crimes.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Tue 08/07/18 05:07 AM
They should start drug testing people receiving food stamps in these areas...including teenagers. No welfare for kids who aren't going to school and case workers actually verify it with the school

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Tue 08/07/18 05:30 AM
They should start drug testing people receiving food stamps in these areas...including teenagers. No welfare for kids who aren't going to school and case workers actually verify it with the school Nobody here has a problem with food stamps.. not at all, nobody here would ever deny someone food. And nobody here would ever deny a kid anything that they needed to grow but you are right. Drug testing should be a requirement as that protects the child from that environment AND they government needs to come up with a fool proof way of making sure the food stamp recipient is the one using the card. This so they can not sell the card for cash.

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Tue 08/07/18 05:41 AM
I watched an interview of the investigator over gangs in ATL. He said the parents of these teens in gangs have no idea where they are. They just want the welfare for the kids. I worked with a woman who was getting foodstamps for a son who didn't even live in the same state. She would have tested positive for drugs and her son would have been cut for not being there, if they had bothered checking to see if he was enrolled in school. Tax payers are supplementing their drug habits. It only fuels the fire.

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Tue 08/07/18 05:54 AM
They are street smart and they know the ways to beat the system, They were taught how to and they ruin it for those who really need it The left likes to play " little house on the prairie" and believe this is not happening... everyone is good. It is happening and has been happening for generations.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14968	Tue 08/07/18 05:55 AM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Tue 08/07/18 06:22 AM
Stricter guns laws Don't stop criminals from getting guns shooting up innocent people on the streets, in the parks and anywhere else. Criminals do things against the law. And will Always get guns. Gangs need to be wiped out, put the criminals in jail. Then put them on work programs releasing them in small groups daily to clean up Every area, of the. City's Slum areas trash and such! Then back to jail . City needs to hire and train dozens more Police to jail thugs. When they see something is being done about their Mess then they won't be too quick to form new gangs. Criminals should have no rights. Laws should be changed. Get the far left And Liberals out of Washington leadership Roles. Continuo to vote for officials who care about the US States, and the whole Country's, well fare. Meaning security and economy..