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Well funches.. Lets say I ask you to describe your home. Yet I am convinced you are homeless. How is the description of your home going to sound anything less then delusional to me? I've never seen your home. I've not even seen a picture of it. There is absolutely no credible evidence from where I stand, that you have a home, and there is nothing you could say to prove to me, you do.
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why would you have to pray..wouldn't a God already know what you need ..and yes when it comes to Gods you are either equal lesser or greater ...I'm pushing that you are lesser |
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of course we have free will. watch the news, we all have free will. suicide is part of free will. what keeps us from acting out in certain ways, is the fear that society places on us (jail time for robberies, if caught; retaliation from others who oppose and so on) but that all falls under consequences which don't apply to free will. i follow a simple motto (do what ye will, harm none). it's a wiccan motto--i think but doesn't mean i'm a bad christian for following that belief. ok...let me show you how you don't have free will..you don't even have the free will to think your own thoughts ..to disprove this tell the forum a rational thought that noone else ever said that man was made in God's image been said before ..yes it's a repeat |
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Gawd enough with the quote boxes already. All I can see is people so deep in their box, they cant see daylight... Oh, or is that what you are trying to express? 
that's what usually happens in a forum ...people debate and to keep it focus they may use the quote box |
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Well funches.. Lets say I ask you to describe your home. Yet I am convinced you are homeless. How is the description of your home going to sound anything less then delusional to me? I've never seen your home. I've not even seen a picture of it. There is absolutely no credible evidence from where I stand, that you have a home, and there is nothing you could say to prove to me, you do. SO? Not a good analogy. If he did, in fact, have a home, he could prove it, at least within reasonably acceptable parameters -- he could show you a building, ownership papers with his name and the correct address, that sort of thing. It wouldn't be a matter of him having to prove it through words, since there would presumably be something more tangible to be used in support of this claim. Of course, none of this applies to "god" -- where there truly is no proof, and where the ONLY means of instilling belief is words -- which I suspect is the whole point of this endeavor.... |
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good night to you all. Funches, i hope to chat with you in more forums like this. no problem I'll probably be here tomorrow |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Sun 12/02/07 08:45 PM
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Gawd enough with the quote boxes already. All I can see is people so deep in their box, they cant see daylight... Oh, or is that what you are trying to express?
that's what usually happens in a forum ...people debate and to keep it focus they may use the quote box I understand completely.... but to have them stacked is a little on the over kill, for me, anyways. One or two is fine, to keep in context, I just find compounding ones crazy....it's only me though.. 
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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ltxv9Rb2Tyw
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=jU_iZfe5Xa4&feature=related http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=nka6jqhJ9XA&feature=related We’re all here to do what we’re all here to do 
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I can only speak for myself funches... you do get the general idea though...
There are things taught on a general scale, that do not apply to all who have been taught... One's identity is formed throughout their life by their immediate surroundings, especially by those who are admired by the individual... the person(s) they emulate... parents, friends, relatives, neighbors, teachers, etc., etc. The saddest part of this is that many many times the child has no choice in the matter... children learn what they live... As an adult, should any part of those teachings become obviously "wrong" to and for the individual, it is only the individual who can choose to pursue a better truth... a new way to be... Humility is the line drawn in between ego and knowledge... The foundation of the bridge between what one has learned to be like, and what one was meant to be like.... |
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Well funches.. Lets say I ask you to describe your home. Yet I am convinced you are homeless. How is the description of your home going to sound anything less then delusional to me? I've never seen your home. I've not even seen a picture of it. There is absolutely no credible evidence from where I stand, that you have a home, and there is nothing you could say to prove to me, you do. SO? why would it sound delusional...are you saying that homes don't exist ..now if I said my home was unseen incomprehensible and in another dimension then it would sound delusional .. |
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Gawd enough with the quote boxes already. All I can see is people so deep in their box, they cant see daylight... Oh, or is that what you are trying to express?
that's what usually happens in a forum ...people debate and to keep it focus they may use the quote box I understand completely.... but to have them stacked is a little on the over kill, for me, anyways. One or two is fine, to keep in context, I just find compounding ones crazy....it's only me though..
that is for others just in case they enter the forum and may have a hard time following the posts ..once a point has been make the boxes gets shorter |
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I can only speak for myself funches... you do get the general idea though... There are things taught on a general scale, that do not apply to all who have been taught... One's identity is formed throughout their life by their immediate surroundings, especially by those who are admired by the individual... the person(s) they emulate... parents, friends, relatives, neighbors, teachers, etc., etc. The saddest part of this is that many many times the child has no choice in the matter... children learn what they live... As an adult, should any part of those teachings become obviously "wrong" to and for the individual, it is only the individual who can choose to pursue a better truth... a new way to be... Humility is the line drawn in between ego and knowledge... The foundation of the bridge between what one has learned to be like, and what one was meant to be like.... as long as you are under the jurisdiction of the outside forces you will never truely know who you truely are ..these outside forces is what creates reality ...but reality is not truth |
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funches said:
as long as you are under the jurisdiction of the outside forces you will never truely know who you truely are ..these outside forces is what creates reality ...but reality is not truth <<<<<<< I say...once again...in my own words... Emptiness of "thief teachings" leads to an understanding which allows the recognition of that which was stolen to be known as the unborn self... what could have been... Humility builds the bridge between the two... the self as taught and it's unborn self... Which will then give birth to the unborn. And the infant grows and begins to forget who it was... while remembering who it was meant to be... For when one finds themself, they will lose all which was not. Yes my friend, you do have a choice... if you live outside of confinement... |
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funches said: as long as you are under the jurisdiction of the outside forces you will never truely know who you truely are ..these outside forces is what creates reality ...but reality is not truth <<<<<<< I say...once again...in my own words... Emptiness of "thief teachings" leads to an understanding which allows the recognition of that which was stolen to be known as the unborn self... what could have been... Humility builds the bridge between the two... the self as taught and it's unborn self... Which will then give birth to the unborn. And the infant grows and begins to forget who it was... while remembering who it was meant to be... For when one finds themself, they will lose all which was not. Yes my friend, you do have a choice... if you live outside of confinement... well you may believe you have a choice but you only get to choose from a limited set of options ..to be placed in a position to have to choose is really not choice at all ...hence no Free Will |
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To be able to choose IS free will...
Tomorrow perhaps my friend, it is good to meet you... Have a good night... I must be off... 
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Funches wrote:
because all you know about the universe is what you read in a book which is all you know about God .. That’s news to me. It’s my understanding that I am a child of the universe. I was born out of the universe. I am part of the universe as is everything I know. I know of nothing that is not this universe. Even the books I read are of this universe, as well as the authors who wrote them. I can touch, taste, smell, hear and see the universe. I have no reason to believe that I am not also part of it. Therefore the universe has consciousness and senses life through me. I don’t need to read any book to know that this is true. So I would say that your assertion that all I know about the universe is what I read in a book is clearly incorrect. |
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Edited by
Jistme
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Sun 12/02/07 11:56 PM
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Not a good analogy. If he did, in fact, have a home, he could prove it, at least within reasonably acceptable parameters -- I see your point... However, in his initial post, he did not ask for proof. He said specifically.. "so can anyone describe God without the description sounding like that of delusion or the person making the description sounding irrational if you can not describe God without sounding delusional and yet insist on worshipping something unseen and incomprehensible that you can't even describe ... sounds delusional to me" He believes he has a home.. I don't. Based on his initial post, delusion is subjective. However, lets bring in the word proof... He could drag my butt across this country and into a front door. Show me a deed..I still may not believe him. For every piece of proof he presents, I could come up with an argument. My point is: In the grand scheme of things, What is the point? |
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The point is to make it to page 16...
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To be able to choose IS free will... Tomorrow perhaps my friend, it is good to meet you... Have a good night... I must be off...
to be able to "choose" only means you get to make a decision that may result in the lesser consequences do you breath air because you have Free Will or because you have "no choice" if you want to live ..do you eat food because you have Free Will or because you have no choice if you want to live .. and can you eat any kind of food or breath any kind of air and live ...you are forced to do certain things in a certain way if you want to live ...the fact that you are forced to do things to live has nothing to do with being Free |
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Funches wrote:
because all you know about the universe is what you read in a book which is all you know about God .. That’s news to me. It’s my understanding that I am a child of the universe. I was born out of the universe. I am part of the universe as is everything I know. I know of nothing that is not this universe. you can't even make the claim that you know everything about the universe ...you don't even know your true identity..you can't even control your own body or you own subconscious so how can you claim to know anything that exist beyond your own self |
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