They also used it as a platform for women to be nominated and win more

Ally Sheedy conplained a man was hosting this year

time will tell what impact social commentary has on entertainment or media.

They were pissed when Cassius Clay changed his name as a commentary to the issues of the time, felt like he should just be happy to make money boxing, but boxing is still going strong.

The thing is there are SO many viewers, I stopped long ago thinking what I like necessarily would reflect upon the success or failure of a show. THere may be millions who dont like what I dont like but if there are enough that do like it, it doesnt matter.

And on the contrary, there may be millions who DO like a show I like, but if there are enough that dont, it wont matter.

as with everything else ... only time will tell.

It's finally taking full effect here. A rooster told me.

That's why I don't watch any of the awards shows anymore... I felt the same way...

The Golden Globes are basically Hollywood's way of saying "Hey! We are sorry that we have people of power who have done some heinous things to women or men....so now we are taking a show that is supposed to be about awards for our work and turning it into a political thing.....which we would have done anyway because we hate Trump but this "me too" thing took precedence....."

Honestly, ANYTIME there is a social or political issue being highlighted, entertainers(who are also voting citizens) use awards and other venues of spotlight to voice their opinions, whether it be about a fashion trend or politics, its equally just as much an opinion, and should be equally expected. IMHO.

And that is why the Awards Shows don't get the viewers like they use to at one time...

It is not their platform for putting their Political Views out there is was called the Global Awards for a reason..

It is not a Political platform~~~

where is a political platform for voting citizens to share opinions publicly?

I believe most awards shows are losing viewers for many reasons. ONE may be people upset that celebs bother to voice opinions on anything of substance beyond fashion and who they want to thank.

Another may be the uprising of streaming services, which is seeing pretty much all traditional viewing taking a hit.

again, just my opinion, but I dont believe the shows have changed as much as the viewing audience has. These shows have ALWAYS had political and social commentary on them, but they have recently had a growing audience who only wants them to entertain.

A entertainer is in a profession, same as professional athletes. Meaning they are paid employees or contractors of a company or corporation.

They have no right to use a company paid venue, be it work ( football games) or the office or industry trade shows ( such as " awards dinners").to spread their personal views upon people who did not ask them for their personal views ( the general public)

People do not tune in to hear someone's personal view, they tune in for the entertainment that was promised.

So, people get mad when it is crammed down their throat.

Go where you work, walk into the cafeteria or lunchroom and start ranting your personal views or take a knee when your company's President is talking to the employees

See how fast your lap top case is in the parking lot

What their 'rights' are up to their employer at work or work events.

The entertainment industry tends to be an art that reflects stories about the world. It seems logical they would allow the 'right' for its artists to have opinions about the world from which their art comes.

Award ceremonies aren't usually employee mandated and employers dont pay employees to go.

People tune in to see any number of things. IT would be boring if there was just a line of people picking up awards and saying 'thank you'


IF I go to my lunchroom and they give me a mic, to speak, I might just speak about things happening at work

If I take a knee when my employer is speaking I would be in trouble, but the Flag nor the anthem actually are employers.

Its the same as If my employer decides to have a ceremonial tribute outdoors to the founder, who happens to be dead and doesnt actually employ me either, I can take a knee or a seat without them having much say about either.


In fact, I know of no civilian employer who would have the RIGHT to mandate shows of patriotism by their employee.

Actually the NBA did it, all Basketball teams agreed they would stand for the anthem..

But sure someone will say they are not a civilian employer

People tune in to see any number of things. IT would be boring if there was just a line of people picking up awards and saying 'thank you'

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Really?.. wasn't that exactly what it was before all this " personal cause" grandstanding

And wasn't the awards show ratings much higher then.. Hmmm.. it would seem that people.... tune out... not it

My point was nobody has the right to take a venue in which they are not paying for and use that venue to broadcast their personal view on people who did not ask for their personal views.

Want to voice your personal opinions to the masses.. fine... you have that right.. buy the air time and make a commercial.. and you pay for it... not someone else. Then people can watch it.. or turn the channel

How come I don't see any of these moral warriors doing this?... are they cheap?

Hell, then band together and chip in for it.. no?... not really that importsnt...is it.

BTW.. news coverage on athletes taking a knee.. not much anymore is there?... 15 minutes of fame fly by.. as did BLM and the " he ain't our president folk" ;).. fickle people... once the cameras are gone.. so are they.

I was not aware of the NBA rule. That is unfortunate. Forced patriotism is not real patriotism at all.

1st, there has not been any time that awards have bypassed an important social issue by just having winners say 'thank you', they have ALWAYS included social commentary since there have been socially spotlighted issues in the world. Entertainment, in fact, is a reflection of the world.

and 2nd, The point with television awards is that the people who ARE paying for the air time dont seem to have any problem with shows including opinions. People who are watching it can turn away or watch something else. Its really that simple.

How would you possible know what the people who are paying for it think?

I must have missed your entrance down the red carpet?

BYW, it was the 3rd lowest watched awards show. And you don't think there are some heated discussions going on with the show promotors and the commercial companies... really?

Do you think it does not affect their bottom line.. really?

well, my educated guess says that if the people paying for it had a problem with it, they would not allow it.

Since it continues, I can reasonably conclude that they dont.

Time will tell.

Like I said, the same 'heated' discussions went on about boxing in Ali's time, and Im sure the sport has gone through ups and downs in viewership, like any entertainment that has been on longer than one generation and through several cultural trends ....

Top three isnt awful if its still making 'enough' profit. As folks say about welfare 'something is better than nothing."

I agree with this articular.. their ratings were down 5% this year I had read... To be honest I don't normally watch them and will not again.. But the only reason is due to when I watch a show I expect it to be about what it is suppose to be about.. If I wanted to hear about the water problems in my area I would not go to a meeting on Oil & Gas Wells...


http://variety.com/2017/film/columns/academy-awards-meryl-streep-asghar-farhadi-donald-trump-politics-1201973551/


"But when someone has just won a major acting award for his performance in a movie that had nothing to do with climate change, and he uses his acceptance speech as an opportunity to offer fans around the world a righteous didactic tidbit about climate change…well, let’s be clear that this sort of thing is one of the reasons why Donald Trump was elected. The perception — right or wrong — that people in the entertainment industry are standing on a pedestal telling the rest of us what to think has become part of the problem, not the solution."