Topic: Thoughts on the teacher in Africa?
Britty's photo
Sat 12/01/07 10:54 AM

she just doesn;t have the same faith, sooo what rules is she breaking? she doesn't have to follow the koran she isn't muslim!


mmm - think about that.

Britty's photo
Sat 12/01/07 10:55 AM

and there are those that think they should just be able to come

here and do what ever

wonder how long and how many it would take to change the way things are done here

the system here needs some tweaks

but at least ya can name yer teddy bear what ever you want

at least for now flowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 10:56 AM

Understand this lady may be whipped & put in prison, for allowing her class to chose the name Mohammad for a teddy bear.
The class CHOSE the name, she didn't know it was against the law. Is this fair? Your thoughts

- of course it is unfair to a normal compassionate person.

Most people would realize that young children will name a teddy bear by the name of something that is familiar or important to them.

I understand the point about that was the place she had made home. As an ex Brit I shall be glad to know she is back in England - safe - I hope so.

I am wondering what the little children think of this as well - they can get rather fond of their teachers particularly at a young age.

Their 'reasoning' is that you can use that name for a person (man) but not an animal.






hopefully it will cause them to leave the fanatical religious practices

and cause them to fight for reforms as they grow older


one can hope can't they

Britty's photo
Sat 12/01/07 10:57 AM

well maybe we should send in the marines

i sire hope they do not wanna come over here and start

there hypocritical religious crap


why would you think they are not?

adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 11:01 AM


well maybe we should send in the marines

i sire hope they do not wanna come over here and start

there hypocritical religious crap


why would you think they are not?



exactly

i guess it get better reaction when posted by a cutie

bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile

whatever it takes i guess

flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

Turtlepoet78's photo
Sat 12/01/07 11:46 AM


Another myth busted.

http://www.freemuslims.org/

Just because the media doesn't report it doesn't mean it isn't there;^]



it is a very interesting video

but the description says a lot

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About FMC
The Free Muslims Coalition is a nonprofit organization made up of American Muslims and Arabs of all backgrounds who feel that religious violence and terrorism have not been fully rejected by the Muslim community in the post 9-11 era.

The Free Muslims was created to eliminate broad base support for Islamic extremism and terrorism and to strengthen secular democratic institutions in the Middle East and the Muslim World by supporting Islamic reformation efforts.

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it does go further

but they do noy even have there name on the buildings

they have their offices in (according to the video)

there are good in every group but the few here that

are so afraid of the fanatics because they know what

they will do will not even let people know where they are

kinda puts the myth in a stronger light

sorry it does not bust it


It does bust the myth that moderate Muslims aren't speaking out, they even provide links to report terrorism. Not telling people where they are? Really? An orginisation that would obviously be a terrorist target protecting their location, and that's a bad thing? Your point was that no moderate Muslims are doing anything about extremism, my link prooves that false, and there are tons of others the same. Apparently, you don't know any Muslims and only get your info on Islam from bias sources or from the "news" media, which would explain your lack of education on the subject, but moderate Muslims have been fighting against the fanatics longer than any western source has. It's sad so many non Muslim Americans are so ignorant towards Islam & the actions and beliefs of average Muslims. Hell, the majority of americans still think Jihad means "holy war". I blame the media and the "moral majority", true Islam is a beautiful thing;^]

karmafury's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:11 PM


Understand this lady may be whipped & put in prison, for allowing her class to chose the name Mohammad for a teddy bear.
The class CHOSE the name, she didn't know it was against the law. Is this fair? Your thoughts

- of course it is unfair to a normal compassionate person.

Most people would realize that young children will name a teddy bear by the name of something that is familiar or important to them.

I understand the point about that was the place she had made home. As an ex Brit I shall be glad to know she is back in England - safe - I hope so.

I am wondering what the little children think of this as well - they can get rather fond of their teachers particularly at a young age.

Their 'reasoning' is that you can use that name for a person (man) but not an animal.






hopefully it will cause them to leave the fanatical religious practices

and cause them to fight for reforms as they grow older


one can hope can't they


The news report states "could have been whipped" and NOT "May be whipped" slight change of wording is a large change of meaning.

'Could have been whipped'....That punishment is OFF THE TABLE, WILL NOT HAPPEN.

"May be whipped" .... Still facing the punishment. Which is not the case here.

Changes of words and changes of meanings are very dangerous things.

adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:13 PM



Understand this lady may be whipped & put in prison, for allowing her class to chose the name Mohammad for a teddy bear.
The class CHOSE the name, she didn't know it was against the law. Is this fair? Your thoughts

- of course it is unfair to a normal compassionate person.

Most people would realize that young children will name a teddy bear by the name of something that is familiar or important to them.

I understand the point about that was the place she had made home. As an ex Brit I shall be glad to know she is back in England - safe - I hope so.

I am wondering what the little children think of this as well - they can get rather fond of their teachers particularly at a young age.

Their 'reasoning' is that you can use that name for a person (man) but not an animal.






hopefully it will cause them to leave the fanatical religious practices

and cause them to fight for reforms as they grow older


one can hope can't they


The news report states "could have been whipped" and NOT "May be whipped" slight change of wording is a large change of meaning.

'Could have been whipped'....That punishment is OFF THE TABLE, WILL NOT HAPPEN.

"May be whipped" .... Still facing the punishment. Which is not the case here.

Changes of words and changes of meanings are very dangerous things.


so true

karmafury's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:14 PM

i just do not understand the logic of naming a teddybear

being disrespectful

and naming a person that may grow up and do who knows what

not being disrespectful

i am sure driving a car load of explosives into a crowd of people

and killing innocent children should be considered a respectable thing to do


adj, Not all Muslim are terrorists, nor are all terrorists Muslim. ie: Oklahoma Federal Building, Sendero Luminoso, Bader Meinhoff, Red Brigades and others. Not Muslim still terrorist.

adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:19 PM



Another myth busted.

http://www.freemuslims.org/

Just because the media doesn't report it doesn't mean it isn't there;^]



it is a very interesting video

but the description says a lot

-----------------
About FMC
The Free Muslims Coalition is a nonprofit organization made up of American Muslims and Arabs of all backgrounds who feel that religious violence and terrorism have not been fully rejected by the Muslim community in the post 9-11 era.

The Free Muslims was created to eliminate broad base support for Islamic extremism and terrorism and to strengthen secular democratic institutions in the Middle East and the Muslim World by supporting Islamic reformation efforts.

-----------------

it does go further

but they do noy even have there name on the buildings

they have their offices in (according to the video)

there are good in every group but the few here that

are so afraid of the fanatics because they know what

they will do will not even let people know where they are

kinda puts the myth in a stronger light

sorry it does not bust it


It does bust the myth that moderate Muslims aren't speaking out, they even provide links to report terrorism. Not telling people where they are? Really? An orginisation that would obviously be a terrorist target protecting their location, and that's a bad thing? Your point was that no moderate Muslims are doing anything about extremism, my link prooves that false, and there are tons of others the same. Apparently, you don't know any Muslims and only get your info on Islam from bias sources or from the "news" media, which would explain your lack of education on the subject, but moderate Muslims have been fighting against the fanatics longer than any western source has. It's sad so many non Muslim Americans are so ignorant towards Islam & the actions and beliefs of average Muslims. Hell, the majority of americans still think Jihad means "holy war". I blame the media and the "moral majority", true Islam is a beautiful thing;^]



if they were so entrenched on stopping it and there were that many of them

it would be stopped

yes there are groups in the states that try

but what of the millions else where

it is a lot easier to try to stop something

if you hide where they are less likely to attack you

where are all the moderates in the rest of the world

and what are they doing

true i do not study it (islam)

but as with any group

their are good and bad elements

and usually the element that cares the most wins

and at this point the extremist are winning

myth not busted

Turtlepoet78's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:32 PM
Well your stubborness to look at the reality of it speaks volumes. The fact that I showed one group of many among muslims who activly fight against terrorism and yet you still insist that they don't amazes me. C'mon, this is the real world, you only see what you want & what the media portrays, the reality is Muslims have been fighting for reforms for hundreds of years, even before the fall of the Ottomans. Seems you just assume that if it was there it would succeed, but again this is the real world and sometimes dictators who twist the Qu'rans teachings retain their dictatorship. However, considering Bin Ladens war relys on the concept that America wishes to destroy Islam your mantality gains Bin Laden support. Holy war is only justified in the Qu'ran by an offensive against Islam.

But since you refuse to look beyond the stereotype I'll let it die, no point in beating it into the ground;^]

Britty's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:40 PM



Understand this lady may be whipped & put in prison, for allowing her class to chose the name Mohammad for a teddy bear.
The class CHOSE the name, she didn't know it was against the law. Is this fair? Your thoughts

- of course it is unfair to a normal compassionate person.

Most people would realize that young children will name a teddy bear by the name of something that is familiar or important to them.

I understand the point about that was the place she had made home. As an ex Brit I shall be glad to know she is back in England - safe - I hope so.

I am wondering what the little children think of this as well - they can get rather fond of their teachers particularly at a young age.

Their 'reasoning' is that you can use that name for a person (man) but not an animal.






hopefully it will cause them to leave the fanatical religious practices

and cause them to fight for reforms as they grow older


one can hope can't they


The news report states "could have been whipped" and NOT "May be whipped" slight change of wording is a large change of meaning.

'Could have been whipped'....That punishment is OFF THE TABLE, WILL NOT HAPPEN.

"May be whipped" .... Still facing the punishment. Which is not the case here.

Changes of words and changes of meanings are very dangerous things.


I understand very well what is happening in this case. The question was repeated there just as a point of reference.

I shall be glad to hear she is in the UK and hopefully she will settle in there, but I bet she will still miss those kids.


adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:41 PM

Well your stubborness to look at the reality of it speaks volumes. The fact that I showed one group of many among muslims who activly fight against terrorism and yet you still insist that they don't amazes me. C'mon, this is the real world, you only see what you want & what the media portrays, the reality is Muslims have been fighting for reforms for hundreds of years, even before the fall of the Ottomans. Seems you just assume that if it was there it would succeed, but again this is the real world and sometimes dictators who twist the Qu'rans teachings retain their dictatorship. However, considering Bin Ladens war relys on the concept that America wishes to destroy Islam your mantality gains Bin Laden support. Holy war is only justified in the Qu'ran by an offensive against Islam.

But since you refuse to look beyond the stereotype I'll let it die, no point in beating it into the ground;^]



i never said they do not exist

i said the exact opposite of that actually

what i said is with the numbers

if they wanted to change it they would

just like the teddy bear thing

explain why it remains an issue

if they really wanted reform then they would demand it here

after all it was one of the children that suggested the name

and all she did was not oppose what one of their own wanted

like i said gogd and bad in every group

the one that wants it the most usually wins

if they wanted reform bad enough

it would happen

Turtlepoet78's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:50 PM
They DO demand it, but people ignore it as you're doing right now with the website (which is again one of many) that is doing just that, demanding reform. And the one who wants it the most DOES NOT ALWAYS WIN. Millions of christians speak out against fanatical christians yet fanatical christians still protest soldiers funerals and bomb abortion clinics. The majority of Russians were against the Soviets, yet still they retained their power for decades. Jeeez, are you really that naive to think the majority always wins? I'm done, you're stuck on the false premise that moderate Muslims do nothing regardless of your self admitted ignorance of the subject and the truth obviously won't change your mind. God bless;^]

adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 01:55 PM

They DO demand it, but people ignore it as you're doing right now with the website (which is again one of many) that is doing just that, demanding reform. And the one who wants it the most DOES NOT ALWAYS WIN. Millions of christians speak out against fanatical christians yet fanatical christians still protest soldiers funerals and bomb abortion clinics. The majority of Russians were against the Soviets, yet still they retained their power for decades. Jeeez, are you really that naive to think the majority always wins? I'm done, you're stuck on the false premise that moderate Muslims do nothing regardless of your self admitted ignorance of the subject and the truth obviously won't change your mind. God bless;^]



post the link to other than the american based organization that is hiding in ivisability

where is the link to the storey of those in that county demanding it be dropped

adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 02:00 PM

They DO demand it, but people ignore it as you're doing right now with the website (which is again one of many) that is doing just that, demanding reform. And the one who wants it the most DOES NOT ALWAYS WIN. Millions of christians speak out against fanatical christians yet fanatical christians still protest soldiers funerals and bomb abortion clinics. The majority of Russians were against the Soviets, yet still they retained their power for decades. Jeeez, are you really that naive to think the majority always wins? I'm done, you're stuck on the false premise that moderate Muslims do nothing regardless of your self admitted ignorance of the subject and the truth obviously won't change your mind. God bless;^]



from the time the zar fell to the time the war came down


hhmmmmmmmm about what 60 years

islam and how long 1600 years

hitler 12 years (christian fanatic)

it may not be i that is so naive

adj4u's photo
Sat 12/01/07 02:02 PM
besides have you not heard


outsiders with a clearer point of view

is the catch phrase of the week

bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile

Britty's photo
Sun 12/02/07 03:11 PM
Hitler a christian -

Don't be fooled by this type of rhetoric. The Epistle of James makes the point that it is useless to claim to have faith but have no deeds. (James 2: 14-26) The outrageous, cruel and vicious actions of Hitler vis-a-vis the Jewish people, gypsies, and other non-Aryan groups shows the absolute vacuity of his "faith."

He was friends with a certain fanatical group, they are not christian.

As they say the devil comes as an angel of light but he cannot profess Jesus.

- I always say 'the proof is in the pudding' :wink:




hello56's photo
Sun 12/02/07 04:21 PM
Is it against the law in that country? If so she broke the law and needs punishment. If you are going to go to another country, better know the laws. Can't base it on America. We let people get away with murder here all the time.

karmafury's photo
Sun 12/02/07 06:15 PM
Anyone traveling to another country is subject to the laws of that country. If ignorance of the law is not acceptable at home why then would it be acceptable somewhere else?