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Topic: Jumping To FINAL Conclusions, Gossiping, Labelling
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/27/17 09:29 AM
This was a thread on people jumping to conclusions?... how did racism find its way in? why does racism find its way in?... all the time It had nothing to do with racism... nothing. I thought that when I first read it. It was part of the very first post funky "It seems to be a popular practice to see or hear ONE THING, and come to a FIXED conclusion afterward. A teenaged girl is spotted ONE TIME at night,walking with a group of boys, and she could be labelled a slut or boy-crazy. A person says they only want to date inside their race , and they are labelled racist " I could see the example seemed to be a tag of a previous thread's discussion so I just pointed out that one example was not like the rest kind of like saying that if someone shares they are 5 foot 3 and 200 pounds it is jumping to conclusions to say they are overweight,,,,not really the same as the other examples,,,, that was all The good news is that the few people who are idle enough to read through this dissertation of a thread ,will be afforded more than one credible viewpoint for this very complex topic. And I have to give you props for your large contribution to that Ms H. Hopefully some might be enocouraged to dig a little deeper before coming to a final verdict on any issue. I dont always agree with what you say but I have a better understanding of why you say it , and sometimes understanding and respect are way more important than agreement And I have mad respect for you mama! Thanks again back atcha

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Mon 03/27/17 09:44 AM Edited by yellowrose10 on Mon 03/27/17 09:53 AM
Some people have no life or pitiful ones and want to make something out of nothing. Sad really. Can't change them though I think I understand the essence of what you are saying yellowrose, but with due respect , if millions of people from all over the world are fighting over this issue , then its doubtful that its "nothing" that they are making all this "something" about . Which issue are you referring to? Sorry, just saw your reply Hi Yellow rose . I thought you were taking about people making a big deal out of race. thats what I was referring to No. I was referring to the whole OP. The race example was just one of several examples. Oops ! I jumped to a conclusion without asking questions. Sorry yellowrose And you are right, sometimes the gossipers and labellers really seem like they have nothing better to do No worries! I get the confusion now, after seeing pages of post on a small portion of the OP.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Mon 03/27/17 09:52 AM
Since there are 6 pages of 1 little example....I will say I agree with your point on that peggy. You put it so eloquently

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 10:26 AM
Since there are 6 pages of 1 little example....I will say I agree with your point on that peggy. You put it so eloquently Thanks yellowrose.The 6 gallons of wine I drank, really helped

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Mon 03/27/17 12:12 PM
It's ironic, really. People want so much to be certain that they are right, they will often fight to remain wrong. Perhaps because being completely wrong in psychological surroundings that are familiar, feels safer than trying to find out what's really true, and having to go outside of one's comfort zone, and make a lot more changes to one's inner being in order to become right. I understand why jumping to the wrong conclusion would be psychologically comforting to a person when the reality is unpleasant to that person. Do you have an example of this david? Im not sure if I understand your context If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Mon 03/27/17 01:12 PM
Since there are 6 pages of 1 little example....I will say I agree with your point on that peggy. You put it so eloquently Thanks yellowrose.The 6 gallons of wine I drank, really helped And you didn't share?

sybariticguy Joined Thu 09/27/12 Posts: 1639	Mon 03/27/17 05:42 PM
I say at the start that the example about race is out of place, as the definition of racist is decisions acquired based only about race. There are racist decisions, but calling someone a RACIST is a different level because our culture assigns to that word the character of a monster, which is not always true,but people shy away from the label anyhow due to that connection. as to the rest, someone patting someone on the head is not evidence of sex walking with people is not evidence sex is occurring not having sex is not evidence of impotence, but by definition, only abstinence I think there are logical conclusions and conclusions that people 'jump to' because it is how our brain works, to find an answer or a solution, we are presented with variables and do our best to define them. illogical conclusions are usually the result of lazy thinking or intolerance [/quote and learning how not to jump to conclusions is the failure to learn the art of suspended judgement and the discipline that can teach this is philosophy...

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 05:45 PM
Since there are 6 pages of 1 little example....I will say I agree with your point on that peggy. You put it so eloquently Thanks yellowrose.The 6 gallons of wine I drank, really helped And you didn't share? Nope. (Burp!) Scooze me

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 05:49 PM
It's ironic, really. People want so much to be certain that they are right, they will often fight to remain wrong. Perhaps because being completely wrong in psychological surroundings that are familiar, feels safer than trying to find out what's really true, and having to go outside of one's comfort zone, and make a lot more changes to one's inner being in order to become right. I understand why jumping to the wrong conclusion would be psychologically comforting to a person when the reality is unpleasant to that person. Do you have an example of this david? Im not sure if I understand your context If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight. Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :) It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 05:55 PM
I say at the start that the example about race is out of place, as the definition of racist is decisions acquired based only about race. There are racist decisions, but calling someone a RACIST is a different level because our culture assigns to that word the character of a monster, which is not always true,but people shy away from the label anyhow due to that connection. as to the rest, someone patting someone on the head is not evidence of sex walking with people is not evidence sex is occurring not having sex is not evidence of impotence, but by definition, only abstinence I think there are logical conclusions and conclusions that people 'jump to' because it is how our brain works, to find an answer or a solution, we are presented with variables and do our best to define them. illogical conclusions are usually the result of lazy thinking or intolerance [/quote and learning how not to jump to conclusions is the failure to learn the art of suspended judgement and the discipline that can teach this is philosophy... I understand where you are coming from Sybaritic guy , but reading up all the philosophy in the world , wont stop you from jumping to conclusions if you are drawn to salaciousness, if you are too lazy to ask questions or if you are closeminded about an issue

markc48 Joined Wed 05/07/08 Posts: 5536	Mon 03/27/17 06:02 PM
Now that the fight is over who won.

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 06:09 PM
Hopefully we all win Mark, if everyone starts asking more questions before jumping to conclusions. Believe it or not, that was what this thread was about.

IgorFrankensteen Joined Thu 10/01/09 Posts: 5444	Mon 03/27/17 06:14 PM
It's ironic, really. People want so much to be certain that they are right, they will often fight to remain wrong. Perhaps because being completely wrong in psychological surroundings that are familiar, feels safer than trying to find out what's really true, and having to go outside of one's comfort zone, and make a lot more changes to one's inner being in order to become right. I understand why jumping to the wrong conclusion would be psychologically comforting to a person when the reality is unpleasant to that person. Do you have an example of this david? Im not sure if I understand your context If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight. Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :) It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying I have a fictional example that comes close for you. But it does edge into racial territory. Bear with me. In the story/film To Kill A Mockingbird, one of the central subplots, involves the trial of a black man, who is accused of assaulting a white woman. Towards the end, it becomes clear that what actually happened was that the woman had herself made romantic advances of a sort towards the man, and that her father came in during the situation. Because it was so upsetting to him to face the idea of his daughter going after a black man, he saw it the other way around, as an assault, by the man, rather than him struggling to gently rebuff her advances. In today's world, there are lots of fanatics of one kind and another, and something similar happens with them. They see things happening in a way that reinforces their fanaticism, in spite of reality, because it feels so very good to them. A blank mind, rewritten with only very simple admonitions, even if they are all negative, can be like a clean place to rest in a messy world. And since most fanatics manage to find similarly self-deluded people, they end up confirming each other's biases over and over. I see it as a part of my "want to feel on the right track" idea, of course.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/27/17 06:19 PM
It's ironic, really. People want so much to be certain that they are right, they will often fight to remain wrong. Perhaps because being completely wrong in psychological surroundings that are familiar, feels safer than trying to find out what's really true, and having to go outside of one's comfort zone, and make a lot more changes to one's inner being in order to become right. I understand why jumping to the wrong conclusion would be psychologically comforting to a person when the reality is unpleasant to that person. Do you have an example of this david? Im not sure if I understand your context If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight. Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :) It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying I have a fictional example that comes close for you. But it does edge into racial territory. Bear with me. In the story/film To Kill A Mockingbird, one of the central subplots, involves the trial of a black man, who is accused of assaulting a white woman. Towards the end, it becomes clear that what actually happened was that the woman had herself made romantic advances of a sort towards the man, and that her father came in during the situation. Because it was so upsetting to him to face the idea of his daughter going after a black man, he saw it the other way around, as an assault, by the man, rather than him struggling to gently rebuff her advances. In today's world, there are lots of fanatics of one kind and another, and something similar happens with them. They see things happening in a way that reinforces their fanaticism, in spite of reality, because it feels so very good to them. A blank mind, rewritten with only very simple admonitions, even if they are all negative, can be like a clean place to rest in a messy world. And since most fanatics manage to find similarly self-deluded people, they end up confirming each other's biases over and over. I see it as a part of my "want to feel on the right track" idea, of course. how sad that a father would ever want to be right about a daughter being RAPED,,,no matter how questionable or untasteful they found their taste in men,,,,,

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Mon 03/27/17 07:24 PM
If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight. Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :) It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying Stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics? That would be a challenge.

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 08:08 PM Edited by peggy122 on Mon 03/27/17 08:10 PM
If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight. Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :) It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying Stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics? That would be a challenge. You were the one who was worried about starting a fight David. It seemed like the best advice I could offer you in this situation :)

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 08:09 PM
It's ironic, really. People want so much to be certain that they are right, they will often fight to remain wrong. Perhaps because being completely wrong in psychological surroundings that are familiar, feels safer than trying to find out what's really true, and having to go outside of one's comfort zone, and make a lot more changes to one's inner being in order to become right. I understand why jumping to the wrong conclusion would be psychologically comforting to a person when the reality is unpleasant to that person. Do you have an example of this david? Im not sure if I understand your context If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight. Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :) It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying I have a fictional example that comes close for you. But it does edge into racial territory. Bear with me. In the story/film To Kill A Mockingbird, one of the central subplots, involves the trial of a black man, who is accused of assaulting a white woman. Towards the end, it becomes clear that what actually happened was that the woman had herself made romantic advances of a sort towards the man, and that her father came in during the situation. Because it was so upsetting to him to face the idea of his daughter going after a black man, he saw it the other way around, as an assault, by the man, rather than him struggling to gently rebuff her advances. In today's world, there are lots of fanatics of one kind and another, and something similar happens with them. They see things happening in a way that reinforces their fanaticism, in spite of reality, because it feels so very good to them. A blank mind, rewritten with only very simple admonitions, even if they are all negative, can be like a clean place to rest in a messy world. And since most fanatics manage to find similarly self-deluded people, they end up confirming each other's biases over and over. I see it as a part of my "want to feel on the right track" idea, of course. Crystal clear to me now . The example helped alot. Thanks Igor :)

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Mon 03/27/17 08:17 PM
how sad that a father would ever want to be right about a daughter being RAPED,,,no matter how questionable or untasteful they found their taste in men,,,,, I couldn;t agree with you more MsH

no1phD Joined Tue 01/07/14 Posts: 27442	Mon 03/27/17 08:58 PM Edited by no1phD on Mon 03/27/17 09:01 PM
Personally I think it's all a little give-and-take... the Op makes a topic.. And everybody contributes.. Adds in their 2 cents... now sometimes conclusions can be drawn.. Right or wrong... but at the end of the day it's really about the open honest.. Banter... that's what I enjoy... sometimes it might just be a matter of the opening post.. clarifying ther opening post... great !now I can't even remember what this topic was about...lol.. hang on a minute while I run all the way back to the top page..lol...ohhh.k... did I ever jump to conclusions on this one..lol.. totally not the topic I thought it was... gossip

peggy122 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 6525	Tue 03/28/17 04:28 AM
Personally I think it's all a little give-and-take... the Op makes a topic.. And everybody contributes.. Adds in their 2 cents... now sometimes conclusions can be drawn.. Right or wrong... but at the end of the day it's really about the open honest.. Banter... that's what I enjoy... sometimes it might just be a matter of the opening post.. clarifying ther opening post... great !now I can't even remember what this topic was about...lol.. hang on a minute while I run all the way back to the top page..lol...ohhh.k... did I ever jump to conclusions on this one..lol.. totally not the topic I thought it was... gossip Yeah Doc. It was supposed to be about asking more questions before jumping to conclusions lol.