I am always wary of pronouncing any particular decision about any articular case, because I take the enforcement of our society's laws extremely seriously. How and what we do, and what we do or do not allow to happen, not only reflects on us as a people, it is likely to become our own personal fate.

I am very disturbed by what I see as a steadily increasing belief that individuals and small groups of people should take up punishing others on their own. I see it being encouraged by one of the two leading political parties in the nation, and all but demanded by some other groups.

I don't think there is a greater danger to the destruction of the United States right now, and that includes the danger of nuclear war as a threat.

Because of this, it is imperative that our legal system deal with those who take the law into their own hands, for ANY reason at all, very firmly, and very accurately, and especially, without copying the idea that the criminals have demonstrated, in how it does so.

In order to decide exactly how these particular people should be dealt with, would require far more detailed information than can or will be published in the media about them, so past what I said above, I wont say. Because to pronounce sentence on them in such a manner, would be an identical behavior by us, to what they are said to have done to their victims.

And we need crimes against each other to STOP; not be codified into law.

It was straight criminal. They should be charged both locally and Federally. They violated that mans civil rights, and that right there earns you a lifetime sentence.

That is how they ended up getting the members of Bob Matthews group "The Order" for the killing of Alan Berg.

The hate crime allows for tougher penalties, and that's why most want to see them charged with it. Me, I hope they get sent to FCC Florence Supermax where they can sit in their cell for 23 hours a day and think about their actions. You act like an animal, you get treated like one.

come on They made a Bad Choice. They should get a Time Out. Like a rotten fruit. a Bad choice. Don't u think.

there is a vast area between a time out and permanent disposal

Yeah, a time our in a Supermax!

These thugs are pure psychopaths, and it is a well documented fact that psychopaths don't ever change. It's safer for society as a whole for them to be incarcerated.

I'm wondering how we can distinguish a pure non-psychopath and whether there is any documented evidence that they never change

Call it what you want, but if it was the other way around there would have been riots in the street and the good Reverend would have been at the microphone.

But now they are kids who just made a bad choice.. Lol

We can leave the diagnosis to professionals,,,,as long as the brain is still forming,, people can change much easier than if we wait until after its done.

this has nothing to do with protesting or the 'good reverend' really

Kids
(people whose brain has not fully developed) do make bad choices. recently Dylan Roof made one and I felt the same about him. And the justice system swooped him up and held him responsible for the lives of his victims.




worlds of difference between when people who kill are held accountable and when they are not.

Workin4it,

You & ms Harmony are what I call my conscience scales. you both bring wisdom , rationality, & willing to compromise. I love that about you 2, please, continue to engage in my cyber home. See this is what I like to see Americans talking, conversing, bring inspirations to those who read my post but mybe too shy or afraid to voice but using our dialogues to make positive changes in there lives. Keep Posting!

IgorFrankensteen,

Hey long time no see, well I think America ready for change, are we moving in the right direction, ....hhhmmm... maybe we still have a lot to work on. Know this though, if we don't take a stand then we fall for anything.

And these for animals were charged as what.. kids? or adults?. Sorry, I don't prescribe to that bleeding heart mentality. This wasn't a 2 minute ( mental lapse).type of thing.. It was long.. and they played it out. They ( any of them) had more then enough time to stop... they didn't

so, they can spend the next 20 year or so in prison thinking about it.

Maybe they can catch on to a penpal and cry their " poor me" story out to them.

Folks, let's not forget the fact that as cruel and hainous as this act was , the young man survived . There was no murder. And there very easily could have been. Believe me, I'm not defending them, but I'm not ready to give up on our youth that quickly. A few years in prison with hardened criminals away from friends and family can be a real wake-up call for someone who's still kind of wet behind the ears.

TO THE BEST of our knowledge, there is no cure for psychopathy. No pill can instill empathy, no vaccine can prevent murder in cold blood, and no amount of talk therapy can change an uncaring mind. For all intents and purposes, psychopaths are lost to the normal social world.
 
http://modlab.yale.edu/news/can-psychopaths-be-cured

This whole incident disgusts me.
1. To harm someone disabled ( don't care what the disability is) turns my stomach.
2. To do this racially... No excuse don't care what colour or nationality Angers me beyond belief.

3. If a person or persons choose to do this type of crime then prosecute to the full extent of the law.

If they choose to do something like this at age 18 or 90 doesn't matter to me.
I don't care what their reasons are or what lead up to it. Til there is accountability that we as a society demands and enforces then IMO we endorse this type of behavior.

Time for this type of behavior to have zero excuses again doesn't matter
Nationality, faith, wallet size, education level or background ....zero tolerance in my mind.

there is also no evidence that all psychopaths are uncurably violent

lack of empathy in one situation doesnt prove lack of empathy in all situations

far too little is known about the suspects to make a cyber diagnosis of their mental or emotional 'reparability'


they should have consequences, at 18, they should also have a chance to actually LEARN and GROW into better people from those consequences,, if its possible to do so

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It's HOW you "take a stand" that determines what you actually stand for.