Topic: Four Chicago Teens Charged with Hate Crime
Lpdon's photo
Thu 01/05/17 05:29 PM
If the roles were reversed and the victim was black, all hell would be breaking loose right now.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 01/05/17 05:29 PM



they are probably working on other things regarding INJUSTICE


How is this not injustice? They beat the living hell out of a mentally handicapped boy!


sigh,,ok

probably working on other things having to do with the JUSTICE SYSTEM not getting or seeking JUSTICE for a victim


Until they are charged with the FEDERAL CRIMES they committed it is injustice.

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/05/17 05:30 PM
not really

I Remember the group of white teens surrounding a black male and beating him in a parking lot

I remember the white guys who tied a black guy to their truck and drug him

the only' hell' was the arrest, trial, and conviction

Lpdon's photo
Thu 01/05/17 05:33 PM

not really

I Remember the group of white teens surrounding a black male and beating him in a parking lot

I remember the white guys who tied a black guy to their truck and drug him

the only' hell' was the arrest, trial, and conviction


Both of those cases the monsters who committed those crimes were charged Federally.

Workin4it's photo
Thu 01/05/17 05:34 PM
The way I see it if your not treated equally or fair compared to others it's because of your personality not your skin color, in most cases. I run a job shop where I weld and repair all kinds of items and equipment for all people. If your friendly and respectful I will bend over backward to solve your problem. People are people, only ones attitude can make them unappealing.

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/05/17 05:36 PM

The way I see it if your not treated equally or fair compared to others it's because of your personality not your skin color, in most cases. I run a job shop where I weld and repair all kinds of items and equipment for all people. If your friendly and respectful I will bend over backward to solve your problem. People are people, only ones attitude can make them unappealing.


well, I wonder why slavery and oppression and civil rights protests ever happend,,,spock

Workin4it's photo
Thu 01/05/17 05:46 PM
I'm talking about this century, and BTW, on the ID thing you know white folks have to drive there and pay also, so why is it viewed as a attempt to stop the African American votes . So untrue

Lpdon's photo
Thu 01/05/17 07:22 PM

The way I see it if your not treated equally or fair compared to others it's because of your personality not your skin color, in most cases. I run a job shop where I weld and repair all kinds of items and equipment for all people. If your friendly and respectful I will bend over backward to solve your problem. People are people, only ones attitude can make them unappealing.


Some of my closest friends aren't white and when I see a minority, disabled or LGBT attacked I will be honest, I do lose my temper.

Now if they are out being a dumba$$ and committing crimes then well then they take that risk of getting seriously hurt or killed and call me cold hearted but that doesn't phase me. That goes for anyone of any color, gender, sexuality etc.

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/05/17 09:31 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 01/05/17 09:34 PM

I'm talking about this century, and BTW, on the ID thing you know white folks have to drive there and pay also, so why is it viewed as a attempt to stop the African American votes . So untrue




jim crow HAS been in the past 100 years


again, off topic

regarding voter id
it is seen as an attempt to disenfranchise voters likely to vote democratic

with blacks being only ONE of those groups
, but the group who is most disproportionately affected





no photo
Fri 01/06/17 04:20 AM



they are probably working on other things regarding INJUSTICE


How is this not injustice? They beat the living hell out of a mentally handicapped boy!


sigh,,ok

probably working on other things having to do with the JUSTICE SYSTEM not getting or seeking JUSTICE for a victim


Or home watching wheel of fortune or BET.

Fact is, the so called " black leaders" and BLM have nothing.. zip.. 0 to say when a HATE crime is committed against a white person. Because it does not fit into their agenda

very simple and proven.. many times.

no photo
Fri 01/06/17 04:20 AM



they are probably working on other things regarding INJUSTICE


How is this not injustice? They beat the living hell out of a mentally handicapped boy!


sigh,,ok

probably working on other things having to do with the JUSTICE SYSTEM not getting or seeking JUSTICE for a victim


Or home watching wheel of fortune or BET.

Fact is, the so called " black leaders" and BLM have nothing.. zip.. 0 to say when a HATE crime is committed against a white person. Because it does not fit into their agenda

very simple and proven.. many times.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 01/06/17 05:47 AM




they are probably working on other things regarding INJUSTICE


How is this not injustice? They beat the living hell out of a mentally handicapped boy!


sigh,,ok

probably working on other things having to do with the JUSTICE SYSTEM not getting or seeking JUSTICE for a victim


Or home watching wheel of fortune or BET.

Fact is, the so called " black leaders" and BLM have nothing.. zip.. 0 to say when a HATE crime is committed against a white person. Because it does not fit into their agenda

very simple and proven.. many times.


no money in it!

TMommy's photo
Fri 01/06/17 06:05 AM
oh one of those " I don't see color kinda things"

here ya go
HELM’S WHITE RACIAL IDENTITY DEVELOPMENT MODEL

Two Phases: Abandonment of Racism & Defining a Non-Racist Identity
Contact: People are:
Oblivious to racism
Lack an understanding of racism
Have minimal experiences with Black people
May profess to be color-blind
Societal influence in perpetuating stereotypes and the superior/inferior dichotomy associated between Blacks and Whites are not noticed, but accepted unconsciously or consciously without critical thought or analysis. Racial and cultural differences are considered unimportant and these individuals seldom perceive themselves as “dominant” group members, or having biases and prejudices.

Disintegration:the person becomes conflicted over un-resolvable racial moral dilemmas frequently perceived as polar opposites:
Believing one is nonracist, yet not wanting one’s son/daughter to marry a minority group member
Believing that “all men are created equal,” yet treating Blacks as second class citizens
Not acknowledging that oppression exists while witnessing it (e.g., the beating of Rodney King in Los Angeles, California, 1991).
The person becomes increasingly conscious of his/her Whiteness and may experience dissonance and conflict in choosing between own-group loyalty and humanism.

Reintegration: Because of the tremendous influence that societal ideology exerts, initial resolution of dissonance often moves in the direction of the dominant ideology associated with race and one’s own socio-racial group identity. This stage may be characterized as a regression, for the tendency is to idealize one’s socio-racial group and to be intolerant of other minority groups. There is a firmer and more conscious belief in White racial superiority, and racial/ethnic minorities are blamed for their own problems.
Pseudo-Independence: A person is likely to move into this phase due to a painful or insightful encounter or event, which jars the person from Reintegration status. The person begins to attempt an understanding of racial, cultural, and sexual orientation differences and may reach out to interact with minority group members. The choice of minority individuals, however, is based on how “similar” they are to him or her, and the primary mechanism used to understand racial issues is intellectual and conceptual. An attempt to understand has not reached the experiential and affective domains. In other words, understanding Euro-American White privilege, the sociopolitical aspects of race, and issues of bias, prejudice, and discrimination, tend to be more an intellectual exercise.
Immersion/Emersion: If the person is reinforced to continue a personal exploration of himself or herself as a racial being,questions become focused on what it means to be White. Helms states that the person searches for an understanding of the personal meaning of racism and the ways by which one benefits from White privilege. There is an increasing willingness to truly confront one’s own biases, to redefine Whiteness, and to become more activistic in directly combating racism and oppression. This stage is marked with increasing experiential and affective understanding that were lacking in the previous status.
Autonomy: Increasing awareness of one’s own Whiteness, reduced feelings of guilt, acceptance of one’s own role in perpetuating racism, renewed determination to abandon White entitlement leads to an autonomy status. The person is knowledgeable about racial, ethnic and cultural differences, values the diversity, and is no longer fearful, intimidated, or uncomfortable with the experiential reality of race. Development of a non-racist White identity becomes increasingly strong.
Helms (1995) ) from Sue, et al. (1998). Multicultural Counseling Competencies: Individual and
Organizational Development. Sage Productions. Thousand Oaks, CA.

TMommy's photo
Fri 01/06/17 06:08 AM
Edited by TMommy on Fri 01/06/17 06:35 AM
now the fact that they chose for their victim a mentally challenged white man?
then recorded and posted it on social media?


a person they just apparantly nabbed off the street
and they have no idea if this mentally challenged individual
even carries around any hard feelings towards any race?



is foul and despicable and they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law

oh and by the way..see this image? or perhaps if you show someone an image of a rainbow? first words out of their mouth
are not going to be " I don't see color"



even those with a strain of color blindness can see some shades and tones on this spectrum


this was a hate crime against the white man
however the irony of it being that it was actually one minority group
attacking a member of another

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/17 07:36 AM




they are probably working on other things regarding INJUSTICE


How is this not injustice? They beat the living hell out of a mentally handicapped boy!


sigh,,ok

probably working on other things having to do with the JUSTICE SYSTEM not getting or seeking JUSTICE for a victim


Or home watching wheel of fortune or BET.

Fact is, the so called " black leaders" and BLM have nothing.. zip.. 0 to say when a HATE crime is committed against a white person. Because it does not fit into their agenda

very simple and proven.. many times.




hundreds of years of LEGAL discrimination and oppression say different

black leaders and BLM have plenty to say when the JUSTICE SYSTEM doesn't get JUSTICE for victims


they arent the police, they dont have to speak because crime happens,,crime happens EVERY DAY

that is NOT their point...


no matter how many times the ridiculous assertion is put forth by their haters




msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/17 07:43 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/06/17 07:46 AM

now the fact that they chose for their victim a mentally challenged white man?
then recorded and posted it on social media?


a person they just apparantly nabbed off the street
and they have no idea if this mentally challenged individual
even carries around any hard feelings towards any race?



is foul and despicable and they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law

oh and by the way..see this image? or perhaps if you show someone an image of a rainbow? first words out of their mouth
are not going to be " I don't see color"



even those with a strain of color blindness can see some shades and tones on this spectrum


this was a hate crime against the white man
however the irony of it being that it was actually one minority group
attacking a member of another



I agree. IT is a hate crime to kidnap and torture an individual due to a motivation of racism.


also of note,,,I remember posting in the 'police memorium' thread started to keep count of killed police,,, with my opinion about police training, guns, and police killings,, I barely got two posts in before warned of being 'off topic'

this thread is about a hate crime,,but when a tangent is introduced to disparage and whinge about BLM and Civil rights leaders,,, there seems to be no clear end in sight

this 'on' and 'off topic' is an interesting,,,, rule

not whinging myself, I have never cried to moderators or reported any person or post

I can hold my own in a grown up conversation

,,just making an observation

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 01/06/17 08:28 AM
throw the Book at them!

no photo
Fri 01/06/17 08:53 AM
hundreds of years of LEGAL discrimination and oppression say different

______________________________________________________________________-

We are not talking about ancient history. And we are not talking about black people being oppressed.

So why is it going there.. again.. and again?

We are talking about the injustice done by 4 black people who beat the living hell out of a white retarded guy.. because.. he was white

A pure HATE crime

And we are talking about nothing... zip.. coming from the black community about this INJUSTICS.

Why.. because it does not fit their agenda.

no photo
Fri 01/06/17 08:53 AM
Torture of "any" person needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/06/17 10:36 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/06/17 10:43 AM

hundreds of years of LEGAL discrimination and oppression say different

______________________________________________________________________-

We are not talking about ancient history. And we are not talking about black people being oppressed.

So why is it going there.. again.. and again?

We are talking about the injustice done by 4 black people who beat the living hell out of a white retarded guy.. because.. he was white

A pure HATE crime

And we are talking about nothing... zip.. coming from the black community about this INJUSTICS.

Why.. because it does not fit their agenda.


yes, we WERE talking about hate crime

but then someone,,,,no names,, introduced the topics of Sharpton and BLM

and someone ELSE introduced a question about blacks and voter id



perhaps the question of 'why is it going there?',,, should be posed to them...



just saying