The number one problem with our government is that WE (the citizens) have forgotten or have never learned that WE are the government (Constitutionally).

The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.
Thomas Jefferson

Go get em Gustava..

there is another "founding fathers" quote that I can't remember exactly right now but it states, the citizens are obligated to overthrow the government if it becomes corrupt.

Those guys were f*cking brilliant! It's just too bad that no-one bothers to really understand exactly what the USA means, let alone defend what we are truly about.....

[and no, I'm not some right-wing weirdo! I'm a San Fransisco weirdo!]

This conversation reminded me of watching V for Vendetta.

V's dictum that "people shouldn't be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of its people" — is a restatement of Negri and Hardt's notion of democracy for all.

However, never will enough people stand up for themselves to overthrow the govt, due to the self preservation instinct.

Tianaman Sq is a classic example ...

Now where are the Chinese protesters?

lol.. haha.. anyways.. I don't think our government has reached the point of over throw... but I do find it silly to take away the foundation our country was based upon... religion... silly silly politicians... ever since religion has been taken out of public schools... there has be a drastic decline in morality.. and a very huge increase in crime..

Belushi~
The problem is, we aren't afraid.... and it's too bad.

As long as the majority is sated, or at least mollified, we're all screwed.

I hate to bring this up because it seems trite, but the novel "1994" pretty much foresaw this.

oops, i meant "Brave New World". Sorry.

Sorry to be a pedant, but you were partially right the first time ... 1984 had illusory images of the goings on now.

But Brave New World is a very powerful set up too.

V for Vendetta (the movie) had lots of cameos of both of these book.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Sheep are always given the freedom to continue being sheep.

They will censor you if you talk about ************ to peoples ********.

Not a problem, really.
I can show you how to get around the word filter.
But I'm not going to.
This is not some pornography site chat room, it's a really nice place with a very broad spectrum of topics and people.
I whole heartedly stand by the owner/s, administrator/s and moderator/s here who use the filtering program at this site.

I am one of the originals who helped contribute to this site. I have seen it go from balls-to-the-wall to "Big Brother is watching you". I prefer balls-to-the-wall. I think censorship is a violation of our constitutional rights. There is a difference between abusiveness and being blunt. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression.........what does it all mean if we never know what is going to be banned /deleted next?
It started to get this way when a handful repeatedly went tattling and reporting over very minor crap. I feel if you don't like what you're reading, speak up or move on to another topic. If you start an arguement, or not everyone agrees with you, well, be prepared to finish what you start. If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen.

Neil...sorry that that happened to ya...its sad that we have to be "censored" here....i could understand if you were swearing directly at the person or calling them names ...but not if u are just cracking jokes or just making valid points...but it seems that ppl on here just cant be adults and ACT LIKE ADULTS!! Sad because we are not in high school anymore!!

You tell em Lily!

I miss going fanta........

well my take on censorship,,,,,there was this 99 year old guy named DABNY, and he was moaning that he lost his girlfriend on every damn forum i happened to read. several people gave him advice. then, i read his profile, and first he was under/over 7', 99, white and well that opened pandora's box right there.

so i asked him after thinking about it, if he could still get it up at 99, or even remember his gf for that matter. well, i did not get my answer, except that when i clicked somewhere the page was missing and that was the end of that. censorship. i will never know if DABNY can do it, but i suspect not. and i am not even sure if there was a gf. cause he jumped from that forum to somewhere else doing the same thing.
so here's to u DABNY if u can still get it up.

Duffy....you are a riot!!

well it's the damn truth, and inquiring minds will never know now will they?

what ever happened to the dude anyway?

he was a hippy that happened to say "peace, dude," on one of his last posts,......

and i knew right there he was not 99.