you are digging too hard to find something to get my goat or whatever you are trying to do....it is not working....lol I have in no way come off better than anyone else. And as for the references to the original post, that is why we are on this thread, right? I have been keeping to the thread subject matter at hand as I should be. My view and your view of the post is what we are supposed to be addressing or at least that is what I thought. I find the information posted originally racist, bigoted propaganda as I have held to all along.

I give up dragoness! You dont even read the posts. Like adj says you just keep up your same line! Its like debateing a mailbox!!

Im done here!!
Talk to you in another post adj, knox, cute, forge, Kat, etc. etc.!!

so true

with the logic shown there a twelve year
old would still be in diapers and on bottle or ......

forums grow as they age to keep referring to them
in their infancy is the same as referring to the
person as an infant when grown

i to must depart from the recurring infancy
of this thread

maybe someday it will be permitted to grow


to ALL who posted here
may much good come to you and your

The original post quoted
crimes by illegal aliens
by city.

These statistics did
not come from the FBI
as was originally
attributed, but from
Heather McDonald of the
Manhattan Institute,
which is a right wing
non-profit think tank.

Hardly an unbiased source
and therefore unreliable.

The Police records for
arrests of illegal immigrants
in Colorado may be factual,
but they do not represent
or support the original data
posted, which, of course,
is unreliable.

It's like comparing
apples to oranges.

Look, I'm not saying
illegal immigration
isn't a serious problem,
but let's get the math right, ok?

again this thread had grown

way past the original

and the original post has

been disguarded again

iwill say this

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with the logic shown there a twelve year
old would still be in diapers and on bottle or ......

forums grow as they age to keep referring to them
in their infancy is the same as referring to the
person as an infant when grown

i to must depart from the recurring infancy
of this thread

maybe someday it will be permitted to grow


to ALL who posted here
may much good come to you and your

Who's being infantile, now?

You post my comments,
discount them,
and then try
to end the post.

If you don't
want to take my
comments seriously, fine.

If you want to withdraw,
also fine.

But you can't
end a post just
because you feel
like it or don't
like the logic
presented.

What counts as growing? Does it depend on whos side we are on? I mean if we are biting at the bit to continue on and treat people unkind? Or be like some of us and wish for a better way? Really...does that determine the growth?
Just asking..
Kat

any study is slanted
by the view of those
doing the study

you say it is biased
because it is a
nonprofit right wing group

fine that is cool
you can say that

but i have read every post in this thread
and it is way past the first post
and i said long agao the first post could be wrong

but those that refuse to
move on from that argument
are still in the infantile
part of this thread

i never told anyone to quit posting

whether the first post is right or not


lawbreakers should be dealt with by the law

if found to have broken law

then should be dealt with as the law states

do you have a problem with that

I value accuracy.

If something is presented
as truth, and is not accurate,
then it is unreliable.

It shouldn't be a matter
of sides.

When something can be
backed up by accurate
data, which can be verified,
then there is growth.

growth is moving to other discussion
and different points being made

and it appears that most can not
get past the point they made
that the original post is false

long ago i discounted the original post
and said it may be wrong
but it seems that all any of those
that want to discuss this can do
is go back to the original post

so i say refusing to let go
of that point keeps this thread in its
infant stage

and shows that most do not have an
accountable argument other than
the first post is a lie
well is aid ok if you say so

but still have not scene a viable argument to

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lawbreakers should be dealt with by the law

if found to have broken law

then should be dealt with as the law states

lawbreakers should be dealt with by the law

if found to have broken law

then should be dealt with as the law states

I agree with
you that lawbreakers
should be dealt with
if they have broken
the law.

No argument there.

if someone is here illegally

they are breaking the law


thus the word illegally

Absolutely.

The thorny question
is:

How do you deal with
an estimated 12 million
illegal, undocumented
immigrants?

There are a lot of
different ideas,
but few practical
solutions.

as the law states

if they have children born here

they can take them back when they are removed

and upon reaching legal age of making their own choices

they may come back and stay if they pass citizenship test

normally i would say they would not have to pass said test
after all they were born here

but this opens up the come here to have child
so they will be legal

but that is what i think the biggest quagmire is over

the children how do you handle the children

technically they have duel citizenship

their home country

and the united states if born here

but having a child while here does not give the parent
a free ride to citizenship

but it dose for the child legally

Heather McDonald did not invent the statistics on the first post. She may have put them on a "right wing site" but she didn't invent them!

You're wrong hiker!! The facts are real and do come from the FBI with cooperation of State Officials. Ill look for an interview where the FBI was asked if the figures were accurate. The FBI would only say that they would not confirm or deny the accuracy! I posted that somewhere back in this thread!

If you will look at the GAO report you can follow their sources as well. They are referenced on the report!

Also while your at it, pay attention to the similarities of the figures on their report versus the ones from the FBI on the first Post.

You seem real eager to call a report a lie when you have nothing new to add to the discussion! Follow the links and references, and prove they are a lie!

Don't just run in and state they are like you are the high authority on the subject and expect everyone here to accept it like its the gospel!

Absolutely.

The thorny question
is:

How do you deal with
an estimated 12 million
illegal, undocumented
immigrants?

There are a lot of
different ideas,
but few practical
solutions.

Once again, you seem to ask that your prophetic opinion should be taken as gospel!

The solution is already in progress. One State at a time!
Just Hide and Watch!!!

Ive been debating and pushing this issue for 15 yrs, give or take a few, and the time for debate has ended.

States are acting, while you debate that there is no real solution.

There is a solution. It is; to enforce the existing laws with stiffer penalties on the violators of those laws! ie.. employers, and landlords! Its quite a simple plan really, and has been here the whole time! Starring us right in the eye.

Now, as the States do it without them. (before Ellis island, the states each controlled their individual immigration policy)

The Feds realize we wont wait forever on them to enforce the law, IMO they will jump on the band-wagon, and the process will accelerate!

Hide and watch!!!

Well Fanta,

If the FBI cannot confirm or deny
the accuracy of the their own report,
then how can anyone be sure that it's accurate?

And why aren't the statistics
listed on the FBI web site?

As for the GAO report,
I'm not disputing it's accuracy.

However, it's different statistics
than the FBI report.

This doesn't mean that
illegal immigrants are
not a problem.

As for dealing with illegal
immigrants, you may differ
with me, but I think we need
to first require identification
that is hard to counterfeit, and
prosecute potential employers
who do not check for proper
identification.

It's not a cure, but it's a step
in the right direction.

There are no statistics listed for crimes by Hispanics, or even a category listed for Hispanics!

Period,,,Whites, blacks, Asians, and even American Indians, but none for Hispanics! Are we to believe that the FBI doesnt track crimes by Hispanics comitted in America?

OR, do they keep them seperate to not give the appearance that they are racist or discriminating against Illegal immigrants! (almost entirely Hispanic)

Does that mean there aren't any crimes committed by Hispanics! Using that logic it would, and I sure dont believe that............

As for dealing with illegal
immigrants, you may differ
with me, but I think we need
to first require identification
that is hard to counterfeit, and
prosecute potential employers
who do not check for proper
identification.


Yeah, you work on that!
By the time you get it fiqured out the population of illegal immigrants will be 50 million, while 25 million of the anchor babies will be of voting age!

Or,,,,the States will already have the problem solved!