This time in Boston, their condition is unknown. If they die that will be 11 cops in less then two weeks...........

Heard from a friend...
One officer in stable condition,
one officer in critical condition.
Perp is D.O.A..

For 2016, officer fatalities by gunfire,
are up 57%.


1, is too many.

And the beat goes on.

you couldn't pay me enough to be a cop today.... especially in Chicago.

what's the different between the chikago and boston......that's pretty stick indeed~~~~

not every civil servant is in danger all the time

there are many professions with more deaths and higher percentage of death,,,but it is terrible to think of anyone losing a loved one, and the mourning,,,,,its not something a decent person would wish on anyone,,

No, your right.. I don't recall the last time a city clerk was shot at or killed for doing their job. or the meter reader, zoning officer, ect, ect

But Cops... we'll that's another story. They do get shot at and killed.. sometimes murdered, for doing their job... and it is growing.

And the thread is about cops getting shot...right?

technicaly , cops being 'killed',, source of death didnt seem to have to be specific,,

many professions are entered into with the knowledge of risk of death


and even those professions (including police) are dangerous based upon the wHERE and not the WHAT

some military are chefs on the base, risk of danger is next of zero

some military are gunners or sergeants sent into war torn areas,, risk of danger is high

some officers are behind desks, or in areas with next to no violent crime, with risk of next to zero

some are in high crime areas, with much more risk


point was, its not the profession thats any more dangerous than other risky professions,, its the AREA where the profession is carried out,,

Isn't 'critical condition' different than DEAD? Wait, not DEAD, killed. I want to accurately reply to your post. That was your topic, killed, not critical condition as they were reported today on the news. Killed would also be different than unknown, which was what you say in your initial post on your topic.

They said it was another domestic dispute response, at which the suspect produced a tactical shotgun? And that the officers that pulled out the two injured officers didn't have guns? But the suspect is dead.... There was a call radio I believe they didn't specify where an officer says the suspect is still shooting, and the shots heard in that call are relatively quiet, unless it was a silenced 410 which isn't very likely.

SHOTGUNS ARE LOUD, really loud. Especially loud indoors or in tight quarters between buildings which anyone who has every personally fired or heard a shotgun being fired would know. The shots couldn't be coming from a shotgun which means they couldn't be coming from the suspect, which means the call couldn't have been coming from an officer who knew what was going on at that alleged scene. It's a good thing the officers aren't dead, killed, you said killed. Then you said IF they die, which means they haven't been killed.

Cops know what they are getting into when they take the job as far as risking their lives. What they don't realize is how their hands are tied. Now days, if they fire their gun, their career is more then likely over even if its a clean shoot. Between lawsuits, rioting, the media, families blah, blah, blah it is making officers take more risks like we just saw in Southern California. They had a known felon and gang member who was threatening to kill cops, wearing body armor and had a gun and three cops tried to talk him down instead of putting him down and they paid with their lives.

That is day one stuff. Subject threatens to kill cops and has a gun you shoot them.

This is BS. Back when I got into Loss Prevention and got my PI license there was a saying we would all use. It's better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Not anymore.

Yeah, well one of the "statistics" in 2015 was a friend of mine and he was ambushed.

It was a damn typo, there was no real information when I posted the thread and they wont let you change the title.

Ok LP, but this is fundamentally flawed. Remember the last shooting you posted? Remember the SAME SCRIPT, domestic disturbance, his father said he was crazy, swat team, escape keep your doors locked... The story didn't unfold it unraveled. It was fundamentally flawed, when you recreate the story the timing numbers placement timing then silence lather rinse repeat. It had the SAME TITLE. And when do they do this, it corresponds with political events or document dumps and they drop another incident before the one people follow unfolds to COVER inconsistencies and impossibilities. The people who do this crap want nothing but gut reaction so strong that you don't notice the words don't match the pictures. They come in groups so they can multiply the reaction with the SAME SCRIPT.
Look AS A POLICE OFFICER at the Chelsea/NJ bomb/shootout. Use GOOD DISCERNMENT, have you ever seen a bomb in a plastic trashcan that didn't destroy the trashcan? Ever see a bomb in a metal recycling bin that didn't destroy the recycling bin? Would you call that person an experienced bomb maker? Ever see a injured perp pulled out of an ambulance for a photo op but the guy looks like he's just bored to death with one gunshot wound near the bicep? Take a good look at THAT wound. Take a good look at the EVIDENCE.
Take a good look at the Orange theory surveillance video of the 'explosion' taking into consideration the BLASTWAVE and what EFFECT it has on the MATERIALS you see in that OFFICIAL VIDEO OF THIS REPORTED CRIME/TERRORIST ACT. CNN reported that the guy was ''incapacitated and intubated'' from the shootout but appeared in court via Skype or some 5hit in court where he was charged with attempted murder and WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AGAIN.
ASK QUESTIONS.

What does that have to do with cops being ambushed on a daily basis?

I don't care what you say, a friend of mine was one of those statistics and trust me his death wasn't to shift the focus of everything, it was a domestic all that turned out to be an ambush.

their hands are hardly tied, thats some victim crap being perpetuated, in my opinion

I know of rarely ANY cases of the cop getting more than suspension with pay, unless they have solid proof that they have killed someone that wasnt a 'threat',,, which can include anything from simple non compliance in close proximity of the officer with the gun, or even non compliance while having reason to believe they had a weapon,,,,


in fact, a guy was recently fired for NOT shooting someone that had a gun even though the gunman was screaming repeatedly that HE wanted to be shot himself (suicidal victim)

The cop that shot Michael Brown was cleared by his department, the District Attorney, the States Attorney General, the FBI and the Justice Department and his career is over.

The same is happening to many officers who use their weapons in deadly situations.

thats not because his hands were tied, thats because he lost the TRUST of the community he was serving in by shooting an unarmed suspect who had tried to flee , and then excusing it by describing him as 'looking like an animal'



he is more the exception than the rule, because most continue on or work someplace else after

Before I address that let me say:

I am sorry for your loss. Aside from personal beef I don't see any possible motive that anyone would conceive would accomplish anything by such an act. Which is what makes this even more stupid because you don't usually know which officers are going to respond. It's just an act of malice that actually has no intent based in reality. I would hope that the killers were brought to justice and have no doubt every resource available was used, properly, to assure that that justice was served.

There is another story developing towards my point I will answer your question when I get some more details.

Maybe you haven't read my reply but let me clarify a bit. When I said I didn't see a motive that would accomplish anything I meant if it was personal and the criminal wanted. to get revenge for something they are shooting the wrong person. Even if it was the right person they didn't have the right to take their life. As I said there are laws to prosecute murderers. If it was that person(s) intention to fill some void for someone who was wronged or killed they were not basing that in reality because obviously you can't bring anyone back from the dead and if you kill someone else it's not even revenge it's just ****ingstupid.

Now about the other case I mentioned earlier there isn't very much out on it but allegedly 3 men conspired to fill 4 cars with explosives in an apartment complex in Garden City KS that housed a mosque and many Somali residents. They allege the FBI via a confidential source attended meetings where the men planned to plant the explosives "TO WAKE PEOPLE UP". The men were reportedly militia members, but unless they missed one of the guys there's a fundamental flaw in this conspiracy (actually the crime they were charged with) to use A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. They were specific on the numbers of men and cars and the quoted motive. 3 men cannot drop off 4 cars. This is glaringly obvious to anyone who hasn't just skimmed the report. People don't READ before they make a judgement on something. If it changes, then there is a correction or retraction but they haven't done it because it fits in a category that everyone wants justice for and or protection from. At the same time it sets a large group of people silent on the issue because we don't want to believe Americans would do this. This alleged plot also demonizes the Militia, a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT among those the government wants to erradicate.

So we have a conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction to wake people up to read about whether a case which could hinge a legal precedent to erradicate a constitutional right of United States citizens. The less information we get the worse this will be. We need to READ use good discernment do a little research ASK QUESTIONS and if the allegation does not fit REALITY like 3 MEN planning to place 4 CARS with EXPLOSIVES THEY PLAN TO DETONATE TO WAKE PEOPLE UP DEMAND ANSWERS.

Nobody leaves a car with EXPLOSIVES to go back and get a third and fourth car with EXPLOSIVES. Nobody. Car bomb car pool? Or did they drop off 3 cars and get a taxi or über driver to drop off the fourth car?

What does this have to do with the OP? When you use logos (not ethos or pathos) you CANNOT arrive at the conclusion of what is being reported. These are NOT mistakes. They cover these events repetitively until the holes in the plotlines or timelines or evidence are brought out then if it fits the agenda the coverage is whittled down to remove parts people would doubt and highlight the parts that if you spoke out against you would look heartless. When I say speak out I don't mean saying a victim DESERVES an unwarranted and unjustified attack, that's bigotry or racism. I mean speak out when someone allegedly does something or plans something that is IMPOSSIBLE like 3 men loading EXPLOSIVES in 4 CARS to "WAKE PEOPLE UP". IMPOSSIBILITIES like a somewhat calm steady voice reporting a suspect who has been UPGRADED. to wearing body armor now... wat evs, still shooting when 2 officers were down and allegedly some other UNARMED POLICE went in to extract the wounded officers LEAVING NO POLICE FOR THE SUSPECT TO BE SHOOTING AT WHEN THE CALL WAS MADE. That's what it has to do with it.

If the officers WERE still inside shooting his SILENCED TACTICAL SHOTGUN (another targeted class of weapon the government wants to control) wouldn't that officer making the call be WINDED, RUSHING TO THE SCENE TO DEFEND/EXTRACT HIS WOUNDED FELLOW OFFICERS? What the hell is an unarmed officer(s) doing on the scene? If they were, and before backup could arrive AND the news got access to the audio from the radio traffic wouldn't they have the exchange reporting officers down send backup and not JUST THE SUSPECT INSIDE STILL SHOOTING AT _________ well we don't know what he was shooting at but we do know it was not URGENT ENOUGH to EVOKE the APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF ADRENALINE in whatever 'officer' made the radio call. Again the QUIET GUNSHOT SOUNDS in the background say this CANNOT BE A SHOTGUN, CANNOT BE A SHOTGUN INDOORS OR BETWEEN BUILDINGS, OR CANNOT BE NEAR ENOUGH TO THE OFFICER making the call for him to even KNOW WHAT HE IS REPORTING.

We should hear MOTION or EMOTION of the officer making the call. No REASONABLE PERSON would run into what they WOULD KNOW was someone PUMPING OUT ROUNDS FROM A SHOTGUN, and if there was an officer left outside while they did HE WOULD BE CIRCULATING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ADRENALINE and MENTION THAT ----- AND ----- just went in UNARMED SEND ABULANCE EMT SWAT POLICE HELICOPTER AND LIFE FLIGHT.

Btw a movie is due to hit theaters soon with a conscientious objector medic in what looks like WWI. Hacksaw Ridge. Watch the trailer.
While you're at it take a look at where the term conspiracy theory came from, how it came to be used and what it's connotation is in our (U.S.) lexicon. I believe you are well aware that conspiracy is an actual crime.

He lost the trust for doing his job! We will leave out the fact that Brown just committed a theft, brutal assault and strong armed robbery and the other guy who was convicted of lying under oath and a career criminal who was proven by Obama's Justice Department that he lied to authorities about the hands up BS, we will forget that right now. When you reach for or near an officers weapon you are going to get shot, that is academy day 1 training. Hell, that is just basic common sense.