There was no personal beef. I will tell you the basics of what happened, I am not going to go into all the details because not everything has been made public.

A known offender was beating the hell out of his girlfriend and going after her kids. She managed to call 911, the offender heard her call and managed to get a gun and a good vantage point and lie in wait for the cops. Units arrived, the one Deputy noticed the suspect armed and taking aim on fellow officers. He reacted and drew the suspects fire away from the officers and possibly the girlfriend and her kids. The deputy was hit multiple times in the knee, leg and head and he still managed to get 17 rounds off and kill the SOB, saving the lives of everyone on scene. To me that is a true hero.

Sometimes there is no reason why, sometimes it just happens. Sometimes its because of race retaliation, sometimes its a hatred of the police, sometimes it because the person is crazy, sometimes it because they are a 3 striker or a habitual offender and they know either way they are going back, sometimes they want to commit suicide by cop and so on and so on.

As far as your other post, I will respond to that later if you don't mind. I really don't want to get in, especially after reopening a fresh wound.

You gave enough detail, and that is understandable. THIS case/scenario is also JUSTIFIABLE. I lost fellow soldiers long time friends in set ups so when I say that I know, I know and it ****ing hurts. Justice lies not in the heart, only does the urge to have it. The U.S. Army patch and a policeman's badge is worn OVER the heart. Remember that.

What really sucks he was a Marine and served tours in the War on Terror, in combat and made it home then gets killed by some whife beating white trash tweeker.

Right, I'm sorry to say this America, but I simply am incapable of caring any more. An entire planet full of people has been screaming "gun control" at you decade after decade, atrocity after atrocity, but you just do nothing. Even after sandy hook you're all still a bunch of gun nuts, somehow with the cheek to cry about gun crime WHILST doing NOTHING about guns...don't care anymore. Shoot each other all you want. You are betrayers of your nation and murderers of your children.

I'm thinkin I'll get my CDL soon.

when othes go low, we go high


try to remember not every individual is a mirror of every other individual just because they are in the same 'group',, be it americans, repubicans, politicians, lawyers, soldiers, cops,,,etc,,


there are good and bad and caring and uncaring in any group we choose to cherish,, or despise,,,and in each group to whom we give credit or blame

I got shot by a tweeker before I joined the Army at work. Bastard nailed my hand to a wall with a 16 gauge nailgun.

Many many more of my brothers and sisters have died or committed suicide than have died in action since '01. On average 22 a day end their lives which I'm sure you know. Mostppeople don't know that we are dying at much higher rates right here in America than Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, or the other 10 odd countries we are militarily engaged in right now.

yep,Guns kill!
That's why in UK they are being obtained illegally,and now you have already reverted to Knife-Control!
Sheesh,Man!
Maybe you could have a look at the US-Firearms-Code,and Crime-Stats,before sounding off like you just did!
So,you really think,taking Firearms off the Streets,Crime would stop,like all that violent Crime did(NOT) in UK?
Think again,Man!

" Reverted to"...no, no, no...we've always had the common sense to control weapons, and I never said controlling weapons stops violent crime, but it does cut it down by a hell of a lot

me thinks you had better take a look at your own Crimestats,before you try to teach your Grandma how to suck Eggs!
Your violent Crime has soared,in case you didn't know,and your Gunban was just a Potemkin's Village built by your Government!
It really didn't make a dent in your Crime!
Just another Feel-good Government-Measure!

BTW,Paris was a Gunfree-Zone!

well, it most certainly puts a huge dent in MASS homicides and eliminates MASS shootings


but it doesnt put much of a dent in homicide because it doesnt address violence only means of executing it,,,,,at best, there are brief spikes in homicides that gun lobbyists try to use to justify more guns, which usually level back off to the pre ban homicide rates


however, I firmly believe America is a different kind of culture, so I am not opposed to attacking the mass homicides,,,as one of many small parts of a solution to violent crime

Ms..... It didn't happen. No that didn't happen either. Look. If you want to see absolute brutality Google some images from edged weapon or blunt object homicides. Have you seen anyone shot in person? I have. You ever seen anyone stabbed or slashed in person? I have. You ever seen anyone beaten with something like a table leg or baseball bat? I have, in person.
Shootings can be bad if someone is hit in the neck head heart shoulders or groin where the lagest veins and arteries are. It's also possible that there can be little to no sign that a person was hit if it's a flesh wound or graze. A razor knife on the other hand makes such a small displacement visible on the skin and even being a little over an inch long can penetrate to the bone and hit every blood vessel from the point of entry down to its deepest depth for the entire length of the cut. In otherwords, you can survive a through and through bullet wound and not lose much blood but be bumped or scratched by a razor knife and be dead or drowning in your own blood or drowning from bleeding out from a razor knife.
Add some length and weight to that flimsy little thing you may lose some sharpness but now you're cracking and shattering bones while the victim is very alive vocal and excruciating pain. People break the tips off of knives or put feces on them to do more damage and cause septic shock and infections to possibly be spread to others from one stab or slice or hack.
Now take the edge off. Add some more weight, longer handle perhaps. Hammer, club, baseball bat. Now you're crushing bones and bursting organs inside the body. Imagine having a broken hip pelvis tailbone burst kidney bladder liver, colon, all dumping their toxins into the blood stream while the victim is 100% awake and can't crawl away. Imagine THAT death. Now streamline THAT weapon for maximum efficiency, we already did that, no background check and if a 10y/o enters a store with the money to buy one NO PROBLEM! No ammo no training needed no aiming. Just get close and swing away. No hammer available, no problem, grab anything heavy or hard that won't break the first few times you swing it. It's THOSE crime scenes that are the worst. When people think about shootings their mind goes right to Nov 22, 1963 or execution style point blank head shots. Sure it's difficult to watch someone shot who dies. It's more difficult to see some beaten with a pipe or wrench whos screaming writhing and begging for their lives as their wrists and shins are repeatedly fractured trying to defend themselves then being left for dead or worse being slowly tortured further.
Guns largely do not do the amount of damage that blunt force trauma stabbings slashings or hacking with edged weapons sharp or dull can do. What guns DO is allow a proficient (which many people aren't in context) operator do do pinpoint damage depending on the bullet target and distance. Arguably, the worse you are (at killing with precision strikes) the worse the damage injuries and carnage at that crime scene can be.

what didnt happen?

One thing "proven" that it does cut down drastically, is peoples rights under the Constitution and their ability to defend themselves and their family from harm by criminals (who don't care what the laws are or if the weapon they possess is licensed, registered, or purchased legally to begin with!).

You may also use the lame excuse that a persons own weapon may be turned against them, but if such was the case odds are that harm or death would have been the intent of the attacker in the 1st place. I would rather have the ability to defend myself and not need it than need it and not have it!

Liberals arent following the lead of a speech hitler never made,,,


https://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/


research is our friend

You always criticize people who use opinion pieces deriding them as posting it as fact.


Welcome to your own club

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the
SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns
doesn't serve the State.

Heinrich Himmler (1900-1945)


Hitler's Heinrich,who never did or said anything without Hitler's approval!

and that would be relevant if his death had occurred from being shot WHILE reaching for the gun, and not after the altercation ended, proving he was obviously unarmed, and trying to get AWAY

nothing as been found to charge Clinton either,,,

legal standards and actual guilt or innocence are not synonymous


life is not reserved only for 'angels',, and having committed a CRIME is not grounds to justify any and all deaths

you mistake 'spin' for perspective

my perspective is breaking laws shouldn't be excuse for a death penalty,,, unless it is in attempt to save life


that's not spin, that's my set of values


my perspective is that after a fight is done,, pulling a gun to shoot someone who has left the location of the altercation, is vengeful homicide,, and not justified defense


again, that's my set of values



and I believe the boy was CHARGING just about as much as I believe Treyvon went out of his way to avoid a stranger just to change his mind once he was successful and DOUBLE back for a sneak attack while still talking on the phone with a girl,,,


,,that's my PERCEPTION of whats believable and whats not