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rambill wrote:
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I don't believe in posting verses out of context to be argued over like pearls thrown to swine. That's not the purpose of the Bible.

Jesus taught us to be meek, he taught us to turn the other cheek, and he taught us not to judge others.

Praise the Lord!

Praise Jess too wherever she’s at.

And let’s not forget Redykeulous whilst we’re at it.

Oh hell, praise everybody!

I’m feeling generous tonight.

By the way,

"... Oh Where oh where is (voil) "feralcatlady" today....oh where oh where could (he) "she" be... (giggle) take out the 'giggle' though..."


Anybody seen the 'catlady' ???

he also taught us to be armed, judge righteously, and be like him. This concept of a defanged meek christian aint from the book. We are to take care of our families, do do less is a very bad thing. The book is FULL of examples of people doing Gods work, and looking like fools to the people of the day. (until later that day)
"they will kill you thinking they are doing Gods work"

Rambill,

Unless you turned into a 'fundie' overnight 'rambill', I'd re-visit what you wrote below if I were you, it totally vindicates (supports) my point. Unless you are totally agreeing with me, and trying your hand at sarcasm?!?!?

You wrote:
".... To say that evolution doesent deal with religions, ect..... is like saying water doesent "deal" with fish. It has everything to do with it..."

That's was exactly my point, 'fundies' are the only 'flatearth' 'non-thinkers' whom insist on fabricating yet another "false truth" or "true fallacy" (MESSENGERS MY FOOT!) in order to meet their 'apologetic-bible-inerrancy' mercenary quota.

As for:
"... Human knowledge is a threat to faith? WHERE? NOT SEEING IT. iTS ALL IN PERFECT HARMONY from my chair..."

Well then if human knowledge isn't a threat to your faith 'rambill', would you mind then dropping your 'knee-jerk' reaction everytime the word 'evolution' is mentionned??? If it ain't a threat, leave it alone!!!

Rambill wrote:
”he also taught us to be armed, judge righteously, and be like him.”

I either didn’t see that part or I interpreted it differently from the way you did.

That’s cool Bill, we are all entitled to our own interpretations.

I don’t believe that God has ever requested any such thing from me.

We obviously can’t be like God, so that would be a foolish request. If it says that in the Bible it must have been the publisher’s typo. The book clearly needs to be rewritten and I’m feeling inspired lately to rewrite it as a service to my Lord. Everyone else seems to be doing the same thing on the fly anyway. Maybe it’s time someone actually put it in print.

I can see it at the bookstores now,…

The New Revised Edition of the Holy Bible by Pauper James.

It was meant to be I’m tell’in ya!

There must be prophecy in there about this somewhere,…

Not to worry! If it’s not there I just write it in.

Think of it 'abra',

The fundies would like it soooooo much, they would adapt all their 'apolegetics artillery' to support the 'Pauper James' over the confused 'King James'.


Long live the Pauper! Long live the Pauper!!!

its the only book that dont need to be rewritten in my opinion.
Q-What was the LAST thing Jesus said to his deciples before being taken away?
ans. "since i took you in have you wanted for food or script?" ($) They answered .."no master."
"Now i am going to leave you, so if you have to sell your shirt,
do so to BUY A SWORD."
NO INTERPETATION NEEDED. PLAIN OLE KINGS ENGLISH THERE.

WE CANT BE LIKE OUR FATHER? why? I thought thats exactly what he wants.

abra, SAFETY TIP.....
*DANGER*
BE YE CAREFUL NOT TO USE MIS QUOTES, HALF TRUTHS AND CHURCH DOCTRINE WHEN DEBATING A BIBLE SCHOLAR ABOUT THE BIBLE.
*WARNING*

Rambill,

I have no desire to 'debate' with anyone.

I'm just going to tell it like it is, just like everyone else does.



As Voil has pointed out on many occassions. Beliefs, cannot be 'debated'. That's why they call them "beliefs".

Rambill,


SAFETY TIP.....
*DANGER*
BE YE CAREFUL NOT TO USE MIS QUOTES, HALF TRUTHS AND CHURCH DOCTRINE WHEN DEBATING OR DISCUSSING ANY SUBJECTS WHAHTSOEVER WITH EVERYONE YOU ENGAGE WITH, REGARDLESS OF HIERARCHAL, CHURCH OR SOCIAL STATUS.
*WARNING*

Voil;

As to your description of "fundies" vs "evangies" - I'm in moderate agreement with you, however, having spent a great amount of time amoungst each, I'd like to post an addendum to your description.

I have found that the greates difference between Fundies, and evangies comes in the way in which scripture is interpreted. The exegesis of a enangie essentially is to gather and cross reference all scripture on a particular subject, whereby drawing a conclusion as to what the conclusion of the scriptures are - utilizing additional scriptures to reference what the interpretation could NOT be if necessary.
The fundies I have been involved with will center on a particular scripture to draw a conclusion, and search cout additional scripture which supports that conclusion - often omitting other relevant scriptures which might indicate a different outcome. Baptism as necessary for salvation is an example of a fundamentalist view. The ability to lose one's salvation after becoming a believer is another. Either one of these concepts can be supported by some scripture - but not all scripture. However - between both camps, the argument continues to be debated.

I have generally found Spider's conclusions to be of a researched overview - however, he does use individual scriptures to support attacks on Christianity - which I think is mis-representing him as a fundamentalist. He may view the bible as fundamentalist, but I would be curious to know which camp he puts himself in based on how YOU have described each.

Abra;

As a general overview of what Christ wants man to do - following his teachings is fairly accurate, and I agree with you. However - his command was to "make disciples". This - to me would be more of a "Do as I do, and as I say", rather than "Just do what I say". In doing this, to be a disciple of Chriat would mean that one would recognize, and obey the word of God as given in the Old Testament. All through Jesus' ministry - this is what He did, as well, as what he said.

I CAN THINK OF TWO PEOPLE ON HERE WHO CONTINUALLY USE BIBLE BASED HALF TRUTHS AND SUCH TO PROVE THIER POINT, HOPING THAT OTHERS are not versed(no pun intended) in the book. i have no hirecial status but i do know the book inside out, so please dont insult my intelligence by your tactics to discredit the bible using half the story, ect. If your gonna use the bible against itself, please do your homework first. in doing so you will eventually have to admit defeat.. assuming you can in fact be objective.
i have pionted out today a smattering of examples of those tactics. shall i continue? you use psycology and other tactics to make your point rather than using the cold facts. Who here is really looking at this objectivly? I can assure you i do. .
... My best proof of your inability to be objective is in your rantings....

evolution isnt as much a threat as a lie based on bad math, explosions and lightning bolts. Its satans explanation of why we dont have to recognise a God. It misleads many, including christians and therefore must be dealt with. Its not a knee jerk reaction, its a potential eye opener for witnessing.

Eljay wrote:
” All through Jesus' ministry - this is what He did, as well, as what he said.”

I would disagree with this. Jesus clearly changed the law of the old testament he denounced “an eye for an eye” and replaced it with “turn the other cheek”.

I realize that other people may have differnet interoperations on this, but it’s my own personal view that one counter-example is with an infinity of proofs.

I also disagree that what he told his disciples to do should applies to us. I don’t believe that it’s necessary to become a ‘disciple’ of Jesus. On the contrary, I don’t believe that it is even possible to do that now that he is dead.

Jesus himself taught that the end was near and that heaven was at hand. He even clearly stated that everything he spoke of would come to pass within the current generation. This is what the Bible says in several differnet places. Therefore, either Jesus was mistaken, or the author’s of the New Testament misinterpreted what he had said. Precisely how I’ll deal with all of these inconsistencies is yet to be seen. However, if I am to accept the Bible as truth then I must accept that it truly contains inconsistencies and misinterpretations. This fact cannot be ignored.

I don’t have “blind faith’ in the Bible. On the contrary, I’ll examine it rationally with the brain that God gave me to use for this purpose. To do anything less would be to reject the very gifts that God has given me.

rambill wrote:
“... My best proof of your inability to be objective is in your rantings....”

Like I said Bill, you can’t disprove someone else’s belief. All you can do is sip your coffee and read it.

the book "acts of the apostles" would be the "sittings of the apostles" using this hands off theology.

this FACT cannot be ignored???? this "fact" of yours is a theory of yours.... and it can be ignored, or proven false with but little objective study. Bring it. ill try to enlighten.

Rambill wrote:
“evolution isnt as much a threat as a lie based on bad math, explosions and lightning bolts.”

There’s no need to make derogatory remarks about the great works of scientists and mathematicians.

What they are doing is based on logic and many years of deep rational thinking and skepticism. Their conclusions are not merely ‘beliefs’ but they are the consensual work of many brilliant and very open-minded skeptical humans.

Rambill wrote:
“Its satans explanation of why we dont have to recognise a God.”

Evolution says nothing about God. It merely shows that God allowed us to figure out how she created us.

Rambill wrote:
“It misleads many, including christians and therefore must be dealt with. Its not a knee jerk reaction, its a potential eye opener for witnessing.”

There are many Christians who believe in evolution. They simply give a wider birth of abstraction to the Bible is all.

It’s perfectly clear to any rational person that the Bible contains extreme logical inconsistence if taken verbatim, not only with respect to the natural laws, but even with respect to purely philosophic thought.

I is better to recognize that the Bible was meant to be vague, rather than to turn our backs on the truth revealed by actually observing the true behavior of the world in which we life.

Ultimately, even God must conform to His own creation.