not sure Pakistan is ready to commit Suicide yet!

India wouldn't hesitate to bomb the crap out of them...

Even yesterday, someone commited suicide. Nothing is impossible. But ISIS might have caused a great harm before the hangman comes with his rope.

Why not get one from the US? Well America, apparently fund them anyway?

Its shocking that Americans have not yet demystified who Obama REALLY is and his REAL sinister intentions for America. The enemies not without now, they are WITHIN !!!!!! It would be too late to cry when the head is off

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If the President of the United States of America is the enemy of the United States of America:

a) What does that say about the electorate that TWICE place him in office? &

b) Since Obama started out w/ Bush's mess, and has done quite well cleaning it up; if that's what enemies do; what of the president before him that started out with things in good shape; and leaving them 8 years later, the worst since the great depression?

If Obama is bad; doesn't that make Bush criminal ?

no... how so? just because you don't agree with the war, doesn't make bush a criminal... compare the thousands of lies from obarry to the few from bush... (proven lies, not just conspiracy theories)

"It was Bush's fault". Surprising how many still believe those obama lies.

How many thousands of innocent U.S. citizens have died as a result of these ostensible lies you assert Obama has made?

The Bush administration misrepresented the facts.

How can there be "no doubt" (Bush's exact words) about something that was not true?

And Bush was speaking not merely on behalf of his own administration, but on behalf of multiple allied governments as well.

Bush expressed it as a certitude. And it could not possibly have been.

"no doubt"... "could not have possibly have been".... Saddam was already using mustard on his people, and who do you sold him (Saddam)the weapons in the first place? and then, where did the governments attention turn to after that? Syria, the border country... you left out the part where Bush says he thinks they were sent to Syria, and then, lo and behold, the leader of Syria needed to be taken out...


just mustard gassing the Kurds alone seems to throw everything you said out the window...

Clinton Speech 1998


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs

Saddam's "Project Babylon" was intended to deliver chemical projectiles to Israel and Iran with long range cannons.

Have been following this post carefully for last two days and realize we really don't know that much about ISIS, Al Qaeda; do we?

For those of us interested, let's roll back in time (please feel free to correct me; ..gently)

This bomb blast in a mosque in Dammam:

30 May 2015



Saudi is mainly populated by the Sunni sect of Islam, so is Pakistan and the Sunnis are by far the largest population in Muslim world population. 35% of the population in India are also Muslims & Sunnis (our problem is this segment of the population is growing..; another story). India's ingenious development on nuclear energy for power and the 'bomb' was a deterrent to China's placing missiles in Tibet. Pakistan's 'bomb' was to counter Indian threat but the tech came from China and the money from Saudi Arabia. No, the Pakistani bomb is probably for the Sunni caliphate but definitely not for ISIS which draws their troops from a rival community.

We all know the story of Al Qaeda: Osama, armed by CIA, first to counter Russian occupation of Afghanistan - a 10 year war with the Russians.

In the end, when the Russians had withdrawn and the Taliban / Al Qaeda (Pak backed) had occupied most of Afghanistan - the CIA did a volte face. Instead of the promised dream of owning a country, which for Osama was now at hand; the American Government realized that these hardliners would send the country back into the medieval centuries. Progressive civilians were being murdered, (generally women) when local hardliners realized that the Taliban troopers were of similar opinion.

President Karzai, helpless.



Removal meant intensive bombardment of rural Afghanistan. Then Osama's taped message, the famous photo of Osama with the Russian AK47 and many hostages beheaded - added to global threat.


History Repeats 1: Flash Back: How Arabia became Saudi's Arabia
WWII:

then OIL WAS DISCOVERED



The similarity between Osama and Hussein is a bit uncanny but for Osama it did not end there. He had become a legend among Muslims - driving out a super power: the Russians

Then World Trade Center was attacked for the second time..
1993: An NYC based Muslim Leader around 1994-5 using Ryder's Rental Trucks to blast the foundations of the towers.

When that didn't come off; New York City laughed; we all laughed but we failed to realize that any Muslim lad 'who wanted to be respected as a Jihad-ist (warrior who fights to death)' now had a visible target.

An Egyptian planned the second attack.
This time around the world Saddam laughed. And Osama?

The Western media in Afghanistan asked for his reaction and he logically pointed out that 'they were Muslims'. May be he did laugh like an immature divorcee, rejected by his American friends (there's no such picture) but the media had a story.

Bush Jr. standing amidst the WTC debris promised action. His Dad had being the chief of CIA and the department knew that Junior could turn the entire department upside down. What worked in their favor was Jr. had never expected that he would be elected; never looked beyond Florida; like many Americans he also thought India was in the Middle East.
The CIA rolled out what the paparazzi had come up with. If enough news say that the Queen is pregnant then by Jove, she better be. In any case, there were no survivors from the craft so we have no data.

But Bush Sr. asked him to take care of unfinished business first. Saddam's laugh was a personal slap..

What is said so far is not new. but lets take this chronology a bit further.

History Repeats 2: ISIS roots rival to Al Qaeda's
ISIS, was born after the demise of Al Qaeda. ISIS could be Russia's response to what was the homegrown outfit of CIA Al Qaeda. Putin was waiting.

When King Abdullah presented his case for a strike against the Assad regime, he was vetoed down by the Russians. Obama hesitated. ISIS pushed in. At first the local people thought that help wa finally at hand; too late they realized that these were support troops for the Assad government.

The Syrian Spring that had turned Islamic heads around was now finished.

Why did Putin veto in the UN? After all Assad belongs to Shia branch of Islam & the Syrian population were 90% Sunni!! The answer is below our noses; below the ground: oil.

It's my belief that neither the Shia (liberal Muslims) nor the Sunni (conservatives) are a threat to the Western World. They live in peace in India. It is the Big Game. And in this Game; fringe groups can be created only from the lesser educated; people who believe that the Holy Book can stop the Bullet. It is not difficult to lead extremely poor and uneducated tribal with religious rhetoric. The important difference is after the Taliban attempt; the fringes from the Shia's decided to bring in educated foreign recruits. Young blood, even overseas; remained hot.



History Repeats 3:
The tragedy of Syria was such that when another fringe group tried to overthrow the Yemeni Government - highest unemployment - deepest poverty although neighbors to Saudi Arabia; the KSA Government decided to act.
Moreover this fringe made a mistake - they took on the banner of ISIS - gave the moral right to KSA.

Putin was not interested - no oil, no gas in Yemen, yet.

OP's concerns on Boko Haram!
I don't know how this should be resolved - but he is right - it must be resolved and through a more decisive & empowered body of African nations.
Obama could have inspired this. He was awarded the Nobel on Assumption. His mistake was he got sidetracked, he thought Europe was the rest of the world and the Queen, the UN. A great lost opportunity by the first black American President - to the African world: this is somehow my opinion.

Now, getting to the Rhetoric:
While the OP provided the meat and others the oven let me toss in the famed curry powder.

The United States of America is the only nation to have used nuclear weapons in War.

Ironically, the bomb was built by German scientists smuggled into US & the political effort initiated by Einstein, a Jew.

ISIL occupies the Buttfupistans of the globe; land the U.S. would not hesitate to nuke if preserving U.S. national sovereignty required it.

"Buttfupistans"?? This is the question everybody is asking - where is it?

And to give you an idea of just how lethal our nuclear triad (land based nuclear missiles, our B1 & B2 bombers, and our nuclear powered nuclear armed submarines) is, ONE Minute Man missile has more explosive power than all the explosives used in WWII by all sides; including the nukes we dropped on Japan.

These words could have been my voice as an American; but as I'm not here's some more curry powder for you:

Chillies: Bombing Japan was morally justified because of Pearl Harbor. ok, why two bombs?? Imagine if US had reserved the second one for the German homeland.

Garlic: While American tanks and ships were built bigger; the aircraft, subs and guns were far inferior to European / German technology. We Indians should know because for years we got Russian MIGs (older models) while Pakistan received the Mirages (equivalent old models) and so on. Pakistan has a fairly good army; terrible air force.

Ginger: The only reason America could turn the tide was because by the time they entered the war; there were no men left in the German Army!!
Nor in the British Army. Two generations of men on either side were wiped out. TWO GENERATIONS!!!

Sweet coconut powder:
American strength is they shape world technology and so world history starting from Mr. Edison's light bulb. There democratic values / people's rights influence us in the rest of the world and maybe their need for oil & other imports shapes a rare & roaring global economy.

Stir them well & what do we get:
When we think of 'police action' instead of 'wars' of the past; I think America is getting there with stealth planes & drones. While Americans have their 'right to own guns' and bombs - I see the mindset changing in the younger generation through the many net forums. Maybe I'm among the older generation who still thinks in primary colors: white, black & yellow.

Finally, a spoon of vinegar;
But to think that the world can be shrunk to fit 'American interests and viewpoints' is like Wall Street once again trying to sell those sub-prime bonds to European & Asian banks all over again.

Now for the heart-burns:
If the Russian & American government (& maybe Chinese); sat across the table - not threatening counter actions - the ISIS will disappear overnight. Till then the Big Game continues.

You spent all this time typing this out and you think ISIS are Shia?

ISIS are Wahhabis.

it tells us the our voting process is rigged and our votes dont mean $h1t, from what i see obama hasnt cleaned up bushs mess, he continued it. they're both criminals and should be hung outside the white house. treasonous ba$tards.

I like to send you this info. If you wish more, please tell me.
The origin of ISIS
Muslims are basically divided in two major factions, Sunnis and Shias. Sunni Muslims are the largest denomination of Islam they are currently four recognized schools; Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali. Also there is a school for Sufi. Hanbali is considered to be the most conservative of the four schools. Hanbali jurisprudence is predominant among Muslims in Saudi Arabia.
The Salafi movement was revived by Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab in the Arabian Peninsula, and was instrumental in the rise of the House of Saud to power. Salafism (Wahhabism) is a puritanical and legalistic Islamic movement under the Sunni umbrella (Hanbali), and is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. Salafism is, in general, opposed to Sufism and Shi'a Islam, as well as Christians.
Osama bin Laden was a wealthy businessman with close ties to the Saudi royal family. He was Salafi (Wahhabi) , the leader of Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda has continued to exist and grew through the decade from 2001 to 2011.
Al-Qaeda attacked civilian and military targets in various countries. It is intolerant of other branches of Islam, specially Shias, Sufis and other sects regard them as heretics and sometimes issue attacks on their mosques and gatherings.
Al-Qaeda is also known as the International Islamic Front for Jihad against the Crusaders and the Jews.
Salafi-Jihadist Sheikh said: "It Is Permissible to Spill the Blood of the Iraqi Christians – And a Duty to Wage Jihad Against Them." So Al-Qaeda attacked churches in Baghdad, in Egypt Salafi militants have burned churches and killed Copts, and in Muosel ISIS did the same.
Salafism (Wahhabism) is a religious method whose influence has spread throughout the Arab world and also in Europe, thanks to the support received from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which have helped expand this peculiar vision of Islam.
In Europe, it has become a powerful magnet for generations of young Muslims who suffer identity problems.
The fighting version of Salafism has also become the core ideology of the global jihadism sponsored by al-Qa’ida and ISIS.
Stephen Schwartz is a senior policy analyst with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies based in Washington, DC. As a journalist, wrote;
''Al-Qaeda represents Wahhabism in its purest form – a violent fundamentalist doctrine that rejects all non-Wahhabi Islam, especially the spiritual forms of Islam. Wahhabism is an expansionist sect intolerant of Shi‘ite Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism; in fact, Wahhabists seek to challenge and destroy these faiths. The Saudi-Wahhabi threat must not be underestimated; it requires our grave attention.
Stephen Concluded;
Saudi Arabia and its militant Islamic doctrines constitute a clear and present danger to the United States and the international community. The U.S. should demand a full accounting of Saudi complicity in the September 11th terrorist attacks. We should no longer accept the status quo and forcefully pressure the kingdom to cut its ties to terrorism.
All mosques built by Saudi Arabia and Qatar everywhere are centers of Wahhabism ideology they push people to go and fight in Syria and Iraq. Some of them will kill more Americans.
Mr. Obama ordered for limited attacks against ISIS. This is not enough. The active works against them have to concern all fronts, politically and military. I think it is necessary to close all the mosques and centers that were under the control of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and making real pressures on these two countries to force them stopping their financial and other supports.

It's interesting what a Muslim clergy in Lucknow, India said to the community. Translation:


For a couple of years, in a project, I was employed by a contractor who had his family roots in Bombay, belongs to the Shia sect and now lives in London. Same project, field engineers from Huta Engineering, run by the Bin Laden Group were very cooperative. I think it is when we work and build something together that one goes beyond the cultural differences. Quite different from a soldier's perspective.


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my friend, I could've understood if you had stated that Osama's source for recruit to his Taliban came from the Wahhabi sect in Saudi Arabia.
Wiki throws some light on Wahhabism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

To state that members from the now fragmented Taliban went on to form the ISIS sounds fantastic. From what I understood, the ISIS recruiting base was in Iraq / Iran. To me it sounds like the thief who went to the police station and filed in the first information report stating that he was the victim of a robbery.

Allow me to share an experience: my first time in the Middle East.
It was in Qatar & the holy period of Ramadan. I had missed the company bus to site. So I walked 2 kms to the main road, bare headed, wearing a tie, carrying my laptop, drawings what not. On reaching the road, I saw a mosque and a few people gathered.
Actually, I just saw the water faucet outside the mosque, went over & drank in like an elephant.

People had gone silent, I remember that; a few may have given strange looks, didn't notice at all. It was after I got inside a passing cab & the driver offered me a water bottle & I told him that I had just filled in at the Mosque that I came to know the narrow escape.

The Law says any man caught drinking water during the daytime hours of Ramdan will be put in prison & released after the period of Ramdan.

Then I recalled, that there was a police station just beside the Mosque.

What is my point in rambling on like this?
Simple: In today's complexity, the enemy is not who it seems; not really the Mullah's who are against women acquiring any level of freedom. The Mullah's voice will start fading as and when the larger world takes a more united approach. A beginning could be made if Putin & the next US President agreed to work jointly. After all, Kissinger did get Mao & Nixon to talk and then what happened?

May be our Muslim members can give a better insight into all this?

Thanks Mr. Lung,
I missed your post while trying to get mine to make some sense.

why would the US government want to take out ISIS, after all the US created and funds them. how many times did we "accidentally" air drop supplys to ISIS? they dont want to take them out because of all the profiteers of war, thats why they want to keep fighting and feeding the military industrial complex.