what "constant state of war are you referring to? the fact Israel gets attacked on every border? the fact the Hamas is constantly lobbing RPG's in the Israelis civilian neighborhoods? is it your opinion that Israel should just allow this and never fight back? if it is, your just being a hater, and just plain wrong... my opinion is that your spreading lies and CT BS... you said your "opinion", and i said mine... is your opinion is more important than mine? you seem to think so...

why can't you just confine yourself to giving YOUR opinion on the subject matter, and desist with giving YOUR opinion of MY personal viewpoint ? after all, you are the one quoting me, not the other way around....you can THINK i'm an ahole all like, spread it around to your friends all you want to...thats ok with me, but when you single me out in public, as if i'm a liar and spreader of gossip, then i got a problem with it....

lol, yea, i'm telling all my Jewish friends about you right now...


personally, i could care less if your an ahole or not, that means nothing to me... if your happy not knowing the whole truths about things, then fine, no one can "make" you read up on it more, thats up to you...but spreading disinformation is the same as lying...



in your above statement, can you tell me what "devastating" power Israel has? and who has Israel attacked without being attacked first?
how are they our "*****" or "pitbull" when they have done NOTHING in the mideast to help the US out? they only attack when attacked first, and then they respond 10 fold, the way it should be... and why haven't they used this "devastating" power in the past? they get attacked on all borders, but yet it seems they never used this devastation on any country... can you explain that?

you answer your own question about devastating power, with the remark of their ability to retaliate 10 fold upon their enemies...that is devasting power, i don't care how you look at it....if you don't want to believe israel is the middle east military powerhouse, i certainly can't convince you.... so i'll give it up....

did you ever stop and think moe?

Why does israel get attacked at every border??
Why does Iran want to blow them off the map?
Israel is a big boy, let him fight his own battles.
Israel has one of the most battle hardened militarys, are you seriously suggesting they couldnt take out Hamas by themselves? not sure why moe, but you seem to get a raging hard-on everytime israel gets brought up. and call me a CT'r because i said let israel handle their own business?

you're not thinking straight,and neither are your Buddies in here!
Besides,Nukes aren't particularly suited to take out Bunkers,you need special Munitions for those!

That suggestion would have kept Iran 'humbled' but Obama's middle muslim name explains why he will never allow Israel to have such buster. There is more to this Obama than meet the eyes.

Well they sent two airplanes into the World Trade Center, does that count? The Al Qaeda money trail leads back to the Saudis, so I'm thinking they have indirectly launched a few missiles at your beloved Israel.

This notion that they are an ally is BS and a limited view because they allow us to "rent" some space for military bases.

In actuality I'd say Jordan is a much better ally than Saudi Arabia and one of the few Arab states that seems to have its head on straight.

lol, i called you a CT'er because of these questions right there.. the answer to all of them is because muslims are crazy and haters...
they have no urge to "take out Hamas", they just want to be left alone...

i would say Turkey, as a muslim country, has the best attitude...

Well to be honest I don't think Israel really 'needs' anyones help. They bought Dolphin class subs from the Germans which are capable of launching missiles.

They can likely turn Iran into a parking lot should the need arise. Although their nuke inventory does not include megaton city killers, a couple well placed tactical nukes and maybe an EMP airburst sends Iran back to the 4th century in about 15-20 minutes. The only issue is the s*itstorm of Muslims who will want to kill Jews on sight for the next, oh I dunno, 500 years?

Israel has to face retaliation at that point from a number of sides. The usual suspects like Hezbollah, Hamas, PLO all would go apes*it, but bigger actors like Syria may feel compelled to crack open a bunker of WMD's such as VX nerve agent and let some SCUD missiles do their worst. Syria has done much in the way of weapons effects research over the last 20 years looking to enhance the effects of current ordnance, as well as creating longer lasting and more virulent chemical/biological agents.

The Bekka Valley in Lebanon was rumoured to be the hiding place of Saddam's WMD stockpiles back around the 2003 war. The Israelis supposedly bombed it and sealed the caves it was stored in. If true,would someone risk exposure to active chemical and biological weapons in order to excavate the area and try to salvage something from the location?

Should that happen and Israel believes its going to be overrun it has long held over the head of Arab states Operation Samson. This is the last gasp of the Israeli state as it gives the order to empty its nuclear weapons storage depots in order to destroy the 50 largest cities in the Arab world.

That's some scary end of world s*it.

the general public doesn't really know what kind of nukes the Israelis have, if any... IMO, they only have small tactical nukes, like the bunker busters we gave them... small yield, low radiation, but lots of power...

I see your point, and could make the same argument, and as they are also a member of NATO, they are definitely an ally.

Well for some perspective the Hiroshima bomb was about 18kt(kilotons)in size. In the U.S. cruise missile inventory you have the W80 warhead which can yield up to 150 kt in size, or almost 10 times the power.

We're not even in the range of ICBM's or megaton weapons here. Essentially these are 'kiddie' sized nukes. Hiroshima bomb killed about 100,000 people instantly and incinerated just about everything to a radius of about 4.5 miles. So, multiply that by 10, and you get an idea of what just one 'tactical' nuke can do.

Iran? Likely not as big a problem as it thinks it is. Like any gunfight however, the fastest one usually wins. Once Iran gets a nuke, and I think Obama won't really do anything to stop them, Israel better not find out. They will then be in a position of using pre-emptive force.

Think of it this way. Someone you have had a conflict with says "If I ever get a gun, I will come to your house and kill you." Now you find out that he's taken a machinist course, and has bought the materials to make a gun. You call the cops. They search his house. No gun. The metal could be used for something else, so the cops can't do anything. So are you going to wait around until he builds the gun? You going to sneak into his house and plant cameras to watch him? Will you try to get his friends to try and talk him out of it? When is your life going to be in enough danger to justify you using deadly force? That's the situation these 'negotiations' have put Israel in.

i think Israel would know the minute Iran has a nuke, the mossad is pretty good at what they do...

I thought that Bush and Cheney blew up the trade centers?
Jordan is a better ally than the Saudi's . But no other country in that area is pushing to build a nuke except Iran. If Iran gets their hands on a nuke, they will use it. No doubt, Iran is the immediate threat in that region.

Pakistan has had them for years, along with a running hot war with India, but has never used them. There are quite a few countries that have nukes and have never used them, with one (count them one) notable exception.

Your argument is theory at best. In truth, your wheels may be spinning but there is no tread on them, so you aren't getting any traction.

Ran across a news bit the other day saying that the Saudi's are seeking a nuke from Pakistan. Wonder why?
That region is a powder keg waiting to happen. Iran will push Israel into a corner. Not a question of if, but when.

Again I say it is ignorant to judge a book by its cover or a nation by its leaders.

I trust the govt of Israel about as much as I trust our own, and the House of Saud?! The Bush's and our bowing puppet Obozo can have them, or vice versa, but hopefully before Arabic becomes a second language in the USA!

All this "Israel First" BS is what got us where we are!

Did anyone hear the speech ole fear mongerer, Israel Firster, and presidential hopeful, Lindsey Graham gave at the GOP conference?

Vote for me and I'll make the Bush admin look like Mr Rogers Neighborhood! According to Graham we should all check under our beds for terrorists! McShame taught, or bought, him well!

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