It is worded as such, because of the following -

Galatians 3:26

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Jesus is our "God" no doubt about that, but he is the way to the "father".

John 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

This is where knowing the origin/meanings of words come into play. Jesus is in fact our "God", as he is the one that has authority over us and directly addresses us. But Jesus and the father are "one", they are one God. We obey Jesus, we then are obeying the father for again they are "one", their desires, ect for us are the exact same.

Again this is where context comes into play. Yes Jesus is our God, and don't know the exact reasoning on why it's spelt out as such in the English version. But anytime Jesus' father is in reference it will just say "God". Not specifically "Your God" but just plainly "God" as a propper noun in place of God's name. And thus more reason why they use different terms such as "God" or "Lord God" ect, to give a clearer understanding on whom is being referred to.

You just provided me a citation where Jesus says God is his father and they are not the same being which is directly opposite of the point you have been so loquaciously trying to make!


CGH: Where does Jesus ever claim to be the same being as God the father?

CGH: Please give us a verse that tells us anyone/anything else besides Jesus Christ himself as being our God.

A man entering the temple, proclaiming to be God and deceiving the masses with miracles and well turned words is prophesied as being the deceiver, satan, (or is it the beast? the antichrist?). So, is Jesus the satan? The "Angel of Light" which has been used to reference both Jesus and Lucifer.

The bible is written like a book of legal statutes - antiquated and convoluted language that allows multitudinous interpretations, ambiguity, and is many many times contradictory. And don't ask me to please "give a verse", if you have read the book you know what I am talking about. Smoke screening is not necessary.

While I applaud the firmness in your convictions, invisible beings flapping around in space judging my every move brings me no comfort. It's just like santa claus except instead of denying me trinkets and baubles, I am denied eternal life as an invisible being flapping around in space singing "Ahhhhhhhhhh".

A God that is incapable or unwilling to just make his presence or hand known without utilizing a questionable or debatable intermediary is unsound. It is those that try to separate and divide people's spirits that cause the tragedies of mankind. The reason it is said that the communal spirit of people is the body of a deity is because it brings harmony by virtue of it's unity.

I apologize for the verbosity but you live by the sword you suffer by the sword!

You seem to have mistaken what I've said somewhere down the road here. They are separate entities and never have said differently. But they are one "God". For the word "God" is not denoted to a specific being necessarily, it's not a species, or type of existence. It is a title showing authority over another(s). Jesus and the Father are "One", they are one "God", but again two separate entities shown in many different verses such as "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". And Jesus' multilple references of his father in 3rd person.

John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.

I just want to clarify what you are saying...


You are saying that jesus is the same as God, but at the same time jesus is a different entity from God..

You are saying that jesus is God, but there is also a God whom he refers to as his father..

You are saying that God whom jesus refers to as his Father has no authority over jesus, because jesus is actually this very same God..

You are saying that jesus is God, such that the God whom he prays to and refers to as Father is actually him praying to himself..


Did i get your logic right?

just a bit confusing...

I know. But that is how i am understanding the logic being presented... And i do find it unacceptable...

hi moe ...long time no interaction

No, not what I'm saying. The word "God" is again a TITLE. Jesus and his father are one "God". For in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was WITH God. The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. The key point here is the statement "The Word was with God and the Word was God". Obviously talking bout two different entities or their wouldn't be any need to be that specific as the mention of with and was God.

huh... and Christians always have been told not to put another god before god, but yet y'all do it anyway...

hi pretty lady, must have been missing each other on here

The being that said do not place any other Gods before me was "Jesus Christ/Lord God". That is because again Jesus is personally our "God" as again the word "god" means being of authority. We only have one God Jesus Christ and the father for they are "one", one God.

God is God... It is not a title, He is who He is.

Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God. God's word made flesh.

The Word of God is not God. It is just His word.

Jesus has the title of Lord, because he has been given authority by God over the world, because he came to the world in flesh, and conquered death. But he is not God.


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Its like this...

Your father is a president, so he is the boss of the company.

He gave you the authority over all his business and employees. You are the executor of his will and his word. So you earn the title of boss. And thats what everyone calls you.

But in the end, you are still not the president. Even if you are the boss.

To treat jesus as God is idolatry...to treat you as president, is usurpation

jesus was a person...

Jesus disagrees with you.

Isaiah 43:3

3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

Jesus also disagrees with you

Isaiah 43:3

3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

Deuteronomy 10:17

17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward

How you take these verses are totally up to you my friend :)

born from a womb, lived his life as a man, and died as a man... but somehow he's a god...

Know ye not that ye are a gods and children of the most high?

:)

Man is but a gender, it's not a specific "being". The only difference between us and God is we are imperfect and commit sinful actions.

Sin = 1. A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.
2. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.

And thus one reason Jesus is perfect, for sinning is going against the will of God and he is God and why would he go against his own will? And also why he also goes for the will of the father as it is also his will as again they are "one".

so i could tell a bunch of uneducated people (at the time of JC) that i was the son of a god, and write it down, and i could be a god as well in a few hundred years?

If you don't believe Jesus, who am I to say you're wrong? You don't believe it, bottom line. Not here to change that my friend. And is why we are saved by faith throughout the NT in comparison to the OT where we were saved by works.

What is "education"? Is education knowing about the planets in our solar system? Is it knowing of the animals that dwell on Earth? Is it about the molecules and cells that everything is made of? Just because they may not know what you know doesn't make anyone more "educated" then the other, as they may have very well known things you don't know.

And on that level, assuming the world is around for another 2000 years. Them looking back into "today", would what you think/believe/know ect be automatically made moot because of it's age?

Does knowledge have an expiration date?