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i do not agree... jesus is not God he is not his own father... and he did not tell us to treat him as equal to God and i do not see jesus as God for that would be in direct contradiction to the first commandment when he said that "the father and I are one" is in the same context as saying "you and i are one"...existing for the same purpose, but not the same entity... Exactly! We are all brethren with Christ! So why does he say he is our God and why doesn't he ever refer to us as brothers? Again, yes Jesus had actual blood brothers/sisters. But for the rest of the world, why doesn't he refer to us as brothers/sisters. I think he does refer to us a brothers and sisters, Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Matthew is saying we will be the same AS his brother, sister, and mother. It shows more of the context of the verse when he says specifically "mother". So what woman do you know besides Mary that could be considered Jesus' mother? If you find that missing link, then you'll enlighten us all on how we could be brothers and sisters with Jesus. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Yes and notice here as all of references as such Jesus says "MY" father, he doesn't say our father, or your father, he specifically says "my/his" father. Even after I gave you scripture to show you where he spoke of himself as our brother? Well, nothing more I can say if you won't accept scripture as proof! It's not proof when taken out of context. Because remember , Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude) and Simon are his brothrs. Can give you his sister's names as well if needed. |
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i do not agree... jesus is not God he is not his own father... and he did not tell us to treat him as equal to God and i do not see jesus as God for that would be in direct contradiction to the first commandment when he said that "the father and I are one" is in the same context as saying "you and i are one"...existing for the same purpose, but not the same entity... Exactly! We are all brethren with Christ! So why does he say he is our God and why doesn't he ever refer to us as brothers? Again, yes Jesus had actual blood brothers/sisters. But for the rest of the world, why doesn't he refer to us as brothers/sisters. I think he does refer to us a brothers and sisters, Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Matthew is saying we will be the same AS his brother, sister, and mother. It shows more of the context of the verse when he says specifically "mother". So what woman do you know besides Mary that could be considered Jesus' mother? If you find that missing link, then you'll enlighten us all on how we could be brothers and sisters with Jesus. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Yes and notice here as all of references as such Jesus says "MY" father, he doesn't say our father, or your father, he specifically says "my/his" father. Even after I gave you scripture to show you where he spoke of himself as our brother? Well, nothing more I can say if you won't accept scripture as proof! It's not proof when taken out of context. Because remember , Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude) and Simon are his brothrs. Can give you his sister's names as well if needed. In the scripture where Jesus was advised that his family members were outside and looking for him, he pointed to his followers and stated these were his mother, brothers, sisters; he made a specific difference between the physical family members and those he considered his spiritual family members. I did not take that scripture out of context. |
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i do not agree... jesus is not God he is not his own father... and he did not tell us to treat him as equal to God and i do not see jesus as God for that would be in direct contradiction to the first commandment when he said that "the father and I are one" is in the same context as saying "you and i are one"...existing for the same purpose, but not the same entity... Exactly! We are all brethren with Christ! So why does he say he is our God and why doesn't he ever refer to us as brothers? Again, yes Jesus had actual blood brothers/sisters. But for the rest of the world, why doesn't he refer to us as brothers/sisters. I think he does refer to us a brothers and sisters, Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Matthew is saying we will be the same AS his brother, sister, and mother. It shows more of the context of the verse when he says specifically "mother". So what woman do you know besides Mary that could be considered Jesus' mother? If you find that missing link, then you'll enlighten us all on how we could be brothers and sisters with Jesus. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Yes and notice here as all of references as such Jesus says "MY" father, he doesn't say our father, or your father, he specifically says "my/his" father. Even after I gave you scripture to show you where he spoke of himself as our brother? Well, nothing more I can say if you won't accept scripture as proof! It's not proof when taken out of context. Because remember , Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude) and Simon are his brothrs. Can give you his sister's names as well if needed. In the scripture where Jesus was advised that his family members were outside and looking for him, he pointed to his followers and stated these were his mother, brothers, sisters; he made a specific difference between the physical family members and those he considered his spiritual family members. I did not take that scripture out of context. His brother/sisters were in that group he pointed to. Please find another verse Jesus refers to us as brothers and sisters where his actual blood brothers and sisters were not present. |
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i do not agree... jesus is not God he is not his own father... and he did not tell us to treat him as equal to God and i do not see jesus as God for that would be in direct contradiction to the first commandment when he said that "the father and I are one" is in the same context as saying "you and i are one"...existing for the same purpose, but not the same entity... Exactly! We are all brethren with Christ! So why does he say he is our God and why doesn't he ever refer to us as brothers? Again, yes Jesus had actual blood brothers/sisters. But for the rest of the world, why doesn't he refer to us as brothers/sisters. I think he does refer to us a brothers and sisters, Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Matthew is saying we will be the same AS his brother, sister, and mother. It shows more of the context of the verse when he says specifically "mother". So what woman do you know besides Mary that could be considered Jesus' mother? If you find that missing link, then you'll enlighten us all on how we could be brothers and sisters with Jesus. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Yes and notice here as all of references as such Jesus says "MY" father, he doesn't say our father, or your father, he specifically says "my/his" father. Even after I gave you scripture to show you where he spoke of himself as our brother? Well, nothing more I can say if you won't accept scripture as proof! It's not proof when taken out of context. Because remember , Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude) and Simon are his brothrs. Can give you his sister's names as well if needed. In the scripture where Jesus was advised that his family members were outside and looking for him, he pointed to his followers and stated these were his mother, brothers, sisters; he made a specific difference between the physical family members and those he considered his spiritual family members. I did not take that scripture out of context. His brother/sisters were in that group he pointed to. Please find another verse Jesus refers to us as brothers and sisters where his actual blood brothers and sisters were not present. Please read that scripture again! They were clearly outside because they were looking for him and the person who answered the door told Jesus that to which he pointed to the people inside the room as his brothers and sisters but not in the physically related way! |
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i do not agree... jesus is not God he is not his own father... and he did not tell us to treat him as equal to God and i do not see jesus as God for that would be in direct contradiction to the first commandment when he said that "the father and I are one" is in the same context as saying "you and i are one"...existing for the same purpose, but not the same entity... Exactly! We are all brethren with Christ! So why does he say he is our God and why doesn't he ever refer to us as brothers? Again, yes Jesus had actual blood brothers/sisters. But for the rest of the world, why doesn't he refer to us as brothers/sisters. I think he does refer to us a brothers and sisters, Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Matthew is saying we will be the same AS his brother, sister, and mother. It shows more of the context of the verse when he says specifically "mother". So what woman do you know besides Mary that could be considered Jesus' mother? If you find that missing link, then you'll enlighten us all on how we could be brothers and sisters with Jesus. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Yes and notice here as all of references as such Jesus says "MY" father, he doesn't say our father, or your father, he specifically says "my/his" father. Even after I gave you scripture to show you where he spoke of himself as our brother? Well, nothing more I can say if you won't accept scripture as proof! It's not proof when taken out of context. Because remember , Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude) and Simon are his brothrs. Can give you his sister's names as well if needed. In the scripture where Jesus was advised that his family members were outside and looking for him, he pointed to his followers and stated these were his mother, brothers, sisters; he made a specific difference between the physical family members and those he considered his spiritual family members. I did not take that scripture out of context. His brother/sisters were in that group he pointed to. Please find another verse Jesus refers to us as brothers and sisters where his actual blood brothers and sisters were not present. Please read that scripture again! They were clearly outside because they were looking for him and the person who answered the door told Jesus that to which he pointed to the people inside the room as his brothers and sisters but not in the physically related way! Please find another verse(s) where Jesus refers to us as brother's and sisters. Because I can find mulitple verses of where Jesus created us and Jesus is our "God". But none that Jesus is our brother directly stating it as it states he is our God where their is no possible confusion where his actual blood brothers/sisters are present. Find one where his actual blood brothers/sisters were not present and we'll discuss further :) |
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dcastelmissy
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i do not agree... jesus is not God he is not his own father... and he did not tell us to treat him as equal to God and i do not see jesus as God for that would be in direct contradiction to the first commandment when he said that "the father and I are one" is in the same context as saying "you and i are one"...existing for the same purpose, but not the same entity... Exactly! We are all brethren with Christ! So why does he say he is our God and why doesn't he ever refer to us as brothers? Again, yes Jesus had actual blood brothers/sisters. But for the rest of the world, why doesn't he refer to us as brothers/sisters. I think he does refer to us a brothers and sisters, Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Matthew is saying we will be the same AS his brother, sister, and mother. It shows more of the context of the verse when he says specifically "mother". So what woman do you know besides Mary that could be considered Jesus' mother? If you find that missing link, then you'll enlighten us all on how we could be brothers and sisters with Jesus. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Yes and notice here as all of references as such Jesus says "MY" father, he doesn't say our father, or your father, he specifically says "my/his" father. Even after I gave you scripture to show you where he spoke of himself as our brother? Well, nothing more I can say if you won't accept scripture as proof! It's not proof when taken out of context. Because remember , Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude) and Simon are his brothrs. Can give you his sister's names as well if needed. In the scripture where Jesus was advised that his family members were outside and looking for him, he pointed to his followers and stated these were his mother, brothers, sisters; he made a specific difference between the physical family members and those he considered his spiritual family members. I did not take that scripture out of context. His brother/sisters were in that group he pointed to. Please find another verse Jesus refers to us as brothers and sisters where his actual blood brothers and sisters were not present. Please read that scripture again! They were clearly outside because they were looking for him and the person who answered the door told Jesus that to which he pointed to the people inside the room as his brothers and sisters but not in the physically related way! Please find another verse(s) where Jesus refers to us as brother's and sisters. Because I can find mulitple verses of where Jesus created us and Jesus is our "God". But none that Jesus is our brother directly stating it as it states he is our God where their is no possible confusion where his actual blood brothers/sisters are present. Find one where his actual blood brothers/sisters were not present and we'll discuss further :) Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” It actually should be read from verse 19! I did not quote that here! |
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19 Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press
Read a couple verses further up, his mother and his actual blood brethren came to him. He wasn't addressing EVERYONE with his brethred/mother statement. Was specific to his breathren and mother. i do not agree... jesus is not God he is not his own father... and he did not tell us to treat him as equal to God and i do not see jesus as God for that would be in direct contradiction to the first commandment when he said that "the father and I are one" is in the same context as saying "you and i are one"...existing for the same purpose, but not the same entity... Exactly! We are all brethren with Christ! So why does he say he is our God and why doesn't he ever refer to us as brothers? Again, yes Jesus had actual blood brothers/sisters. But for the rest of the world, why doesn't he refer to us as brothers/sisters. I think he does refer to us a brothers and sisters, Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Matthew is saying we will be the same AS his brother, sister, and mother. It shows more of the context of the verse when he says specifically "mother". So what woman do you know besides Mary that could be considered Jesus' mother? If you find that missing link, then you'll enlighten us all on how we could be brothers and sisters with Jesus. Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Yes and notice here as all of references as such Jesus says "MY" father, he doesn't say our father, or your father, he specifically says "my/his" father. Even after I gave you scripture to show you where he spoke of himself as our brother? Well, nothing more I can say if you won't accept scripture as proof! It's not proof when taken out of context. Because remember , Joseph (Joses), Judas (Jude) and Simon are his brothrs. Can give you his sister's names as well if needed. In the scripture where Jesus was advised that his family members were outside and looking for him, he pointed to his followers and stated these were his mother, brothers, sisters; he made a specific difference between the physical family members and those he considered his spiritual family members. I did not take that scripture out of context. His brother/sisters were in that group he pointed to. Please find another verse Jesus refers to us as brothers and sisters where his actual blood brothers and sisters were not present. Please read that scripture again! They were clearly outside because they were looking for him and the person who answered the door told Jesus that to which he pointed to the people inside the room as his brothers and sisters but not in the physically related way! Please find another verse(s) where Jesus refers to us as brother's and sisters. Because I can find mulitple verses of where Jesus created us and Jesus is our "God". But none that Jesus is our brother directly stating it as it states he is our God where their is no possible confusion where his actual blood brothers/sisters are present. Find one where his actual blood brothers/sisters were not present and we'll discuss further :) Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” It actually should be read from verse 19! I did not quote that here! |
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Cowboy Jesus' physical mother and brothers were looking for him and could not get to him because of the crowds of people and he was told this by someone! He even said they were waiting for him outside of where Jesus was, at which time Jesus turned and pointed to his followers and said that these he considered his brothers and sisters to wit those who did the Father's will. How can you not see this?
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Cowboy Jesus' physical mother and brothers were looking for him and could not get to him because of the crowds of people and he was told this by someone! He even said they were waiting for him outside of where Jesus was, at which time Jesus turned and pointed to his followers and said that these he considered his brothers and sisters to wit those who did the Father's will. How can you not see this? His mother and brothers were trying to get to him but couldn't because of the crowd, thus they were there/present, thus Jesus said "this is my mother and brothers". How can you not see this? |
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Cowboy Jesus' physical mother and brothers were looking for him and could not get to him because of the crowds of people and he was told this by someone! He even said they were waiting for him outside of where Jesus was, at which time Jesus turned and pointed to his followers and said that these he considered his brothers and sisters to wit those who did the Father's will. How can you not see this? His mother and brothers were trying to get to him but couldn't because of the crowd, thus they were there/present, thus Jesus said "this is my mother and brothers". How can you not see this? His physical mother and brothers were outside, they could not get to Jesus! The followers were with Jesus inside, he pointed to them as his brothers and sisters! Matthew 12:47-49 |
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Cowboy Jesus' physical mother and brothers were looking for him and could not get to him because of the crowds of people and he was told this by someone! He even said they were waiting for him outside of where Jesus was, at which time Jesus turned and pointed to his followers and said that these he considered his brothers and sisters to wit those who did the Father's will. How can you not see this? His mother and brothers were trying to get to him but couldn't because of the crowd, thus they were there/present, thus Jesus said "this is my mother and brothers". How can you not see this? His physical mother and brothers were outside, they could not get to Jesus! The followers were with Jesus inside, he pointed to them as his brothers and sisters! They couldn't get to him because of the crowd, so he pointed over the crowd to his mother and brothers which were outside the crowd and said "this is my mother and brothers". |
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Cowboy Jesus' physical mother and brothers were looking for him and could not get to him because of the crowds of people and he was told this by someone! He even said they were waiting for him outside of where Jesus was, at which time Jesus turned and pointed to his followers and said that these he considered his brothers and sisters to wit those who did the Father's will. How can you not see this? His mother and brothers were trying to get to him but couldn't because of the crowd, thus they were there/present, thus Jesus said "this is my mother and brothers". How can you not see this? His physical mother and brothers were outside, they could not get to Jesus! The followers were with Jesus inside, he pointed to them as his brothers and sisters! They couldn't get to him because of the crowd, so he pointed over the crowd to his mother and brothers which were outside the crowd and said "this is my mother and brothers". And a little further down the verses you'll see this 20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. The crowd itself was saying your mother and breahtren were there and was wanting to see him. |
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Okay there is no point in continuing to debate this. It clearly states he pointed to his disciples but I cannot convince you of that.
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Okay there is no point in continuing to debate this. It clearly states he pointed to his disciples but I cannot convince you of that. Ok, we'll totally disregard the entire fact that his mother and brothers were there and were trying to get to him through the crowd. Which may have very well be the main reason Jesus even specifically mentioned them/pointed them out in order for them to get them through. Please don't come here trying to "convince" anyone of anything... we're just here discussing and talking/sharing. |
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Okay there is no point in continuing to debate this. It clearly states he pointed to his disciples but I cannot convince you of that. Ok, we'll totally disregard the entire fact that his mother and brothers were there and were trying to get to him through the crowd. Which may have very well be the main reason Jesus even specifically mentioned them/pointed them out in order for them to get them through. Please don't come here trying to "convince" anyone of anything... we're just here discussing and talking/sharing. Yes you're right, I should not have used the word convince. Each of us understand scripture differently and we each have rights to those opinions and discussions. 
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Luke 4:12 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God "Thy God/Your God" Matthew 4:7 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. -------same story...the devil also called jesus "the son of God".... jesus was quoting from scripture of the old testament that one should not tempt God. the devil was telling jesus to prove himself to be the son of God, essentially by a show of power based on worldly aspect. turn stone into bread... but we are not alive by bread alone worship the devil to attain power and wealth ... only God should be worshipped throw his life away and God shall send angels to protect him... do not tempt God to do such a thing -------he was not referring to being tempted to throw himself off the cliff, but rather not to tempt God into sending the angels to protect jesus...that is why jesus said "it is written in the scriptures, do not tempt the lord your God"...if he wanted to refer to himself as God...then he ought to have said," do not tempt me for i am your God".... Isaiah 43:3 3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Jeremiah 1 4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. ---=---both old testament... there is not yet the presence of Jesus... only God... so no contest...this is in reference to God alone Contradiction of his first commandment? Thou shalt have no other Gods before me? ------ yes... even Jesus accepts that there is only one God, which is his Father in heaven... for us to treat Jesus in equality to God is in contradiction to that... No contradiction, there is no other god before him. Jesus is IT. Jesus doesn't teach to put any other before him, so what contradiction do you speak of? -----jesus clearly says that he did not come to the world to do his own will, but in order to do the will of the one who sent him...meaning, he is come to the world to do the will of God... -----there is no other God besides God, and jesus is not God, but His son whom he has sent to carry out His will... |
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same story...the devil also called jesus "the son of God This is where context comes into play. "God" in reference to the son of God automiatically refurs to Jesus' "father". But again depends on the context of the verse in question on whom is being referred to as "the father and I are one" jesus was quoting from scripture of the old testament that one should not tempt God. Jesus wasn't "quoting" nothing. He wasn't here on a script. He said what he said and it was recorded. Luke 4:12 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God "Thy God/Your God" Matthew 4:7 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. -------same story...the devil also called jesus "the son of God".... jesus was quoting from scripture of the old testament that one should not tempt God. the devil was telling jesus to prove himself to be the son of God, essentially by a show of power based on worldly aspect. turn stone into bread... but we are not alive by bread alone worship the devil to attain power and wealth ... only God should be worshipped throw his life away and God shall send angels to protect him... do not tempt God to do such a thing -------he was not referring to being tempted to throw himself off the cliff, but rather not to tempt God into sending the angels to protect jesus...that is why jesus said "it is written in the scriptures, do not tempt the lord your God"...if he wanted to refer to himself as God...then he ought to have said," do not tempt me for i am your God".... Isaiah 43:3 3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Jeremiah 1 4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. ---=---both old testament... there is not yet the presence of Jesus... only God... so no contest...this is in reference to God alone Contradiction of his first commandment? Thou shalt have no other Gods before me? ------ yes... even Jesus accepts that there is only one God, which is his Father in heaven... for us to treat Jesus in equality to God is in contradiction to that... No contradiction, there is no other god before him. Jesus is IT. Jesus doesn't teach to put any other before him, so what contradiction do you speak of? -----jesus clearly says that he did not come to the world to do his own will, but in order to do the will of the one who sent him...meaning, he is come to the world to do the will of God... -----there is no other God besides God, and jesus is not God, but His son whom he has sent to carry out His will... |
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jesus said that there are many rooms in his Father's house... and yes, we are brothers and sisters in Christ because he teaches us to treat God as our Father in heaven.
we are also at the same time, followers of Jesus because he is the first of us all, and he set the perfect example of how and what it is to become a servant of God....and jesus being God's son, is the firstborn among many brothers and sister. hence, we are only considered as brothers and sisters in and of Christ in that sense, if we follow God's will, which is the example that Jesus set. |
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Pansytilly
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same story...the devil also called jesus "the son of God
This is where context comes into play. "God" in reference to the son of God automiatically refurs to Jesus' "father". But again depends on the context of the verse in question on whom is being referred to as "the father and I are one" ------ how can and why would Jesus be referred to as the son of God, and call God his Father/our Father... if he was God himself..? that would be like saying that i am the daughter of my mother, but i am actually my mother... -------yes, jesus and his Father are one, one in purpose...because jesus does the will of his Father...just like i and my mother are one, one in purpose...if am to do the will and bidding of my mother, and act in behalf of her, but i am not she.... jesus was quoting from scripture of the old testament that one should not tempt God. Jesus wasn't "quoting" nothing. He wasn't here on a script. He said what he said and it was recorded. ------he mentioned the words "it is written" or "it is said"...meaning he was referring to a previously existing scripture or law.... otherwise, he would have just said, "do not tempt me, for i am your God" |
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jesus said that there are many rooms in his Father's house... and yes, we are brothers and sisters in Christ because he teaches us to treat God as our Father in heaven. we are also at the same time, followers of Jesus because he is the first of us all, and he set the perfect example of how and what it is to become a servant of God....and jesus being God's son, is the firstborn among many brothers and sister. hence, we are only considered as brothers and sisters in and of Christ in that sense, if we follow God's will, which is the example that Jesus set. Again as previously mentioned in this thread, please show a verse/statement from God himself that prcoclaims us to be brothers/siters with Jesus Christ outside of verses where his brothers, sisters, and MOTHER was in the crowd which were all personally mentioned. The actual mention of "mother" in the verse(s) show it specifically speaking of his blood relatives as they were there, regardless if they could get to Jesus due to the crowd or not... Please show a verse where his actual blood relatives are not there as to avoid confusion. |
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