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2nd Timothy 3:16-17 says all scripture is inspired by God. This includes the old testament. DO NOT change it to suit your own opinion. "ALL SCRIPTURE IS BREATHED OUT BY GOD AND PROFITABLE FOR TEACHING, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, AND FOR TRAINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE COMPLETE, EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK". 2nd Timothy 3:16 is the last I have to say to you on this!!!!! Amen Jesusmyall, didn't say the OT wasn't God inspired. But from the beginning it prophesied it's completion, thus the "prophecies" given throughout the OT. And the covenant's only hold power till all prophecies are fulfilled.... when Jesus was crucified he fulfilled the last remaining prophecy of the OT and thus what made it "obsolete" for the NT/new covenant to take place. And when all prophecies of the NT are fulfilled Jesus will return to take us home :) |
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Whao! What an interesting forum. I enjoyed every bit of it. Jesusmyall thumb's up for u, Cowboy GH that was a tough defence u put up there.
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The best way to go. Partners will never disclose thier true nature accept during sex. sex tell you that you have accepted how ever it may be.Bring it forth! no sign that you slept with him/her accept 2 of you.
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The best way to go. Partners will never disclose thier true nature accept during sex. sex tell you that you have accepted how ever it may be.Bring it forth! no sign that you slept with him/her accept 2 of you.
Says what verse of the Bible??? This is a Christian forum! |
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The best way to go. Partners will never disclose thier true nature accept during sex. sex tell you that you have accepted how ever it may be.Bring it forth! no sign that you slept with him/her accept 2 of you.
And for your information, the following verses of the Bible are relevant: Luke 8:17: "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open". Ecclesiastes 12:14: "God will judge us for everything we do, including every secret thing, whether good or bad". |
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What are your views on having sex before marriage? I have lived that life and it will lead you to destruction. God can help you repent from that sin but you will have to truly want it with all your heart, mind, and body. |
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What are your views on having sex before marriage? I have lived that life and it will lead you to destruction. God can help you repent from that sin but you will have to truly want it with all your heart, mind, and body. Amen!!! God bless you!!! |
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1st Corinthians Chapter 7 is very clear and specific (see verses 1 -2 and 8-9 reproduced below): 1 Now regarding the questions you asked in your letter. Yes, it is good to abstain from sexual relations. 2 But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. 8 So I say to those who are no��t married and to widows - it is better to stay unmarried, just as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It is better to marry than to burn with lust. _____________________ Obviously from the above and many other verses of the Bible, pre-marital sex (fornication)is not only wrong but abhorred by God. The only sex that is spiritually legitimate is sex within marriage. This is the stand of God in the Bible. In fact, in the old testament, the penalty for death outside of marriage was death. Today, no church will stone or burn anyone but a Christian who indulges in it without repentance will go to hell...because it is sin in the sight of God. It must be repented of just like every other sin must be repented of. I am aware that in the west (especially), people live together as 'partners' just as if they were married and it is so widespread that it looks normal and right. But in the light of God's word, it is sin! Please get married and have sex, if you can't cope without sex. I think we have a tendency to put our modern definitions on words in the bible, and interept them that way. In many old tribes "marriage" simply enentailed 2 pure people having sex, then from there on only being with each other.....no courts, no elaborate ceremonies etc.....I'd have to research what constituted "marriage" at the time this was written Okay all good and well but in that case why does it tell those that had been cheated on, and could not forgive, and also those that are unequally yoked whose nonbeliever husband/wife wants a divorce to grant a certificate of divorce, you cannot choose which parts of the bible and times are appropriate to you. Trust me you don't want to go down that road of taking it how you want it to be. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 08/18/15 12:15 PM
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1st Corinthians Chapter 7 is very clear and specific (see verses 1 -2 and 8-9 reproduced below): 1 Now regarding the questions you asked in your letter. Yes, it is good to abstain from sexual relations. 2 But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. 8 So I say to those who are no��t married and to widows - it is better to stay unmarried, just as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It is better to marry than to burn with lust. _____________________ Obviously from the above and many other verses of the Bible, pre-marital sex (fornication)is not only wrong but abhorred by God. The only sex that is spiritually legitimate is sex within marriage. This is the stand of God in the Bible. In fact, in the old testament, the penalty for death outside of marriage was death. Today, no church will stone or burn anyone but a Christian who indulges in it without repentance will go to hell...because it is sin in the sight of God. It must be repented of just like every other sin must be repented of. I am aware that in the west (especially), people live together as 'partners' just as if they were married and it is so widespread that it looks normal and right. But in the light of God's word, it is sin! Please get married and have sex, if you can't cope without sex. I think we have a tendency to put our modern definitions on words in the bible, and interept them that way. In many old tribes "marriage" simply enentailed 2 pure people having sex, then from there on only being with each other.....no courts, no elaborate ceremonies etc.....I'd have to research what constituted "marriage" at the time this was written Okay all good and well but in that case why does it tell those that had been cheated on, and could not forgive, and also those that are unequally yoked whose nonbeliever husband/wife wants a divorce to grant a certificate of divorce, you cannot choose which parts of the bible and times are appropriate to you. Trust me you don't want to go down that road of taking it how you want it to be. I dont know why. but that is specific, it does say papers of divorce nowhere does it say papers of marriage, nowhere does it say man should leave his home and obtain papers to show that he is cleaving to his wife however,, hence why I would want to research it further |
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"Okay all good and well but in that case why does it tell those that had been cheated on, and could not forgive, and also those that are unequally yoked whose nonbeliever husband/wife wants a divorce to grant a certificate of divorce, you cannot choose which parts of the bible and times are appropriate to you. Trust me you don't want to go down that road of taking it how you want it to be."
Please quote the scripture exactly as it is, including book, Chapter and verse...and then discussion can follow...based on exactly what the scripture has said. |
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Edited by
isaac_dede
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Wed 08/19/15 11:30 AM
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Proverbs 16:2
"All a person's ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the LORD" so going back to my original I think the above matters more than what our current laws say....let me give you an example Say two people stand upt in front of their friends and family, promise to be with each other, fill out a marriage license etc, suppose the minister is supposed to drop that off at the court and file it, let's say this last step never happens Now they are not 'technically' married, and that marriage would not be considered complete/valid by our courts. The wife and husband may not know that their marriage is invalid, they truly believe they are married and have done things right in God's eyes. So if they die in a car crash a year later I don't believe God will see them as 'fornicators' even though thats 'technically' what they would be to any HUMAN judging them. I believe in a God who can look deeper and understand motive and intentions and judge based on that, not one who is subject to the technicalities of our human based laws |
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Proverbs 16:2 "All a person's ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the LORD" so going back to my original I think the above matters more than what our current laws say....let me give you an example Say two people stand upt in front of their friends and family, promise to be with each other, fill out a marriage license etc, suppose the minister is supposed to drop that off at the court and file it, let's say this last step never happens Now they are not 'technically' married, and that marriage would not be considered complete/valid by our courts. The wife and husband may not know that their marriage is invalid, they truly believe they are married and have done things right in God's eyes. So if they die in a car crash a year later I don't believe God will see them as 'fornicators' even though thats 'technically' what they would be to any HUMAN judging them. I believe in a God who can look deeper and understand motive and intentions and judge based on that, not one who is subject to the technicalities of our human based laws The same people who chose to follow the step also have the duty to follow the process through to the end. |
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Proverbs 16:2 "All a person's ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the LORD" so going back to my original I think the above matters more than what our current laws say....let me give you an example Say two people stand upt in front of their friends and family, promise to be with each other, fill out a marriage license etc, suppose the minister is supposed to drop that off at the court and file it, let's say this last step never happens Now they are not 'technically' married, and that marriage would not be considered complete/valid by our courts. The wife and husband may not know that their marriage is invalid, they truly believe they are married and have done things right in God's eyes. So if they die in a car crash a year later I don't believe God will see them as 'fornicators' even though thats 'technically' what they would be to any HUMAN judging them. I believe in a God who can look deeper and understand motive and intentions and judge based on that, not one who is subject to the technicalities of our human based laws The same people who chose to follow the step also have the duty to follow the process through to the end. if duty was all that mattered than the thief on the cross wouldn't have joined Christ that day, because his 'duty' would have been to follow his punishment through to the end.... so here's another example, if two children growing up in the U.S are taught their whole life that marriage is defined by jumping over a broom 3 times while holding hands with the one they love, when these children are grown, and choose to do this 'ritual' and TRULU believe they are married. ..again no U.S court will recognize it, personally I believe God will...if that is what is in their hearts...again I don't believe in a God that is subject to our earthly laws, he is far greater |
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Proverbs 16:2 "All a person's ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the LORD" so going back to my original I think the above matters more than what our current laws say....let me give you an example Say two people stand upt in front of their friends and family, promise to be with each other, fill out a marriage license etc, suppose the minister is supposed to drop that off at the court and file it, let's say this last step never happens Now they are not 'technically' married, and that marriage would not be considered complete/valid by our courts. The wife and husband may not know that their marriage is invalid, they truly believe they are married and have done things right in God's eyes. So if they die in a car crash a year later I don't believe God will see them as 'fornicators' even though thats 'technically' what they would be to any HUMAN judging them. I believe in a God who can look deeper and understand motive and intentions and judge based on that, not one who is subject to the technicalities of our human based laws The same people who chose to follow the step also have the duty to follow the process through to the end. if duty was all that mattered than the thief on the cross wouldn't have joined Christ that day, because his 'duty' would have been to follow his punishment through to the end.... so here's another example, if two children growing up in the U.S are taught their whole life that marriage is defined by jumping over a broom 3 times while holding hands with the one they love, when these children are grown, and choose to do this 'ritual' and TRULU believe they are married. ..again no U.S court will recognize it, personally I believe God will...if that is what is in their hearts...again I don't believe in a God that is subject to our earthly laws, he is far greater The duty of the two thieves on the cross was to acknowledge the LORDSHIP of JESUS CHRIST, REPENT and SURRENDER to JESUS CHRIST. This, one of the two thieves did and was accepted by JESUS CHRIST. The thieves were already bearing the world's punishment for their criminal life by being crucified but only JESUS CHRIST could redeem them from the next level of punishment (God's judgment to eternal doom). The repentance of the thief who repented changed his eternal destination. The analogy of thieves who were being killed as punishment for their sin is totally out of place!!! |
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the duty of the two thieves on the cross was to acknowledge the LORDSHIP of JESUS CHRIST, REPENT and SURRENDER to JESUS CHRIST. This, one of the two thieves did and was accepted by JESUS CHRIST.� The thieves were already bearing the world's punishment for their criminal life by being crucified but only JESUS CHRIST could redeem them from the next level of punishment (God's judgment to eternal doom). The repentance of the thief who repented changed his eternal destination.� The analogy of thieves who were being killed as punishment for their sin is totally out of place!!! How is it out of place? isnt this whole topic about how sex before marriage affects our ETERNAL destination? if this was just about marriage here in earth, this would be in the 'legal forum' but it's in the Christian forum. So an analogy about someone's ETERNAL destination changing based on what is in their heart I think fits very well. ...God recognizes systems and structures that man puts in place (except that HE is not pleased with anything that is against HIS word or will). It is because God reckons with systems and structures that are in place that the Bible instructs clearly that we submit to authority. It is therefore proper for a man and a woman who want to get married to do so legitimately by following the process recognized in their environment - NOT just start living together and having sex. To think we can just start living together and having sex according to our pleasure without following the recognized process of getting married is a lie from the devil! It is fornication in the sight of God as per Bible contents. We must keep at the back of our minds that the Bible already says concerning the heart of man, that it is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. Follow the Bible please! Again here you say "concerning the hearts of man", my whole argument has been nased in this, God is not concerned whether or not "we follow the process through to the end" he is concerned with what it's our hearts, and you seem to agree given the above, unless of course you'd like to take back/change your previous post |
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the duty of the two thieves on the cross was to acknowledge the LORDSHIP of JESUS CHRIST, REPENT and SURRENDER to JESUS CHRIST. This, one of the two thieves did and was accepted by JESUS CHRIST.� The thieves were already bearing the world's punishment for their criminal life by being crucified but only JESUS CHRIST could redeem them from the next level of punishment (God's judgment to eternal doom). The repentance of the thief who repented changed his eternal destination.� The analogy of thieves who were being killed as punishment for their sin is totally out of place!!! How is it out of place? isnt this whole topic about how sex before marriage affects our ETERNAL destination? if this was just about marriage here in earth, this would be in the 'legal forum' but it's in the Christian forum. So an analogy about someone's ETERNAL destination changing based on what is in their heart I think fits very well. ...God recognizes systems and structures that man puts in place (except that HE is not pleased with anything that is against HIS word or will). It is because God reckons with systems and structures that are in place that the Bible instructs clearly that we submit to authority. It is therefore proper for a man and a woman who want to get married to do so legitimately by following the process recognized in their environment - NOT just start living together and having sex. To think we can just start living together and having sex according to our pleasure without following the recognized process of getting married is a lie from the devil! It is fornication in the sight of God as per Bible contents. We must keep at the back of our minds that the Bible already says concerning the heart of man, that it is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. Follow the Bible please! Again here you say "concerning the hearts of man", my whole argument has been nased in this, God is not concerned whether or not "we follow the process through to the end" he is concerned with what it's our hearts, and you seem to agree given the above, unless of course you'd like to take back/change your previous post God looks at both the heart and the action in an interconnected manner. You can't pay attention to one and ignore the other. Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. James 2:18 "Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works". |
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Edited by
isaac_dede
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Fri 08/21/15 12:47 PM
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God looks at both the heart and the action in an interconnected manner. You can't pay attention to one and ignore the other. Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. James 2:18 "Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works". Eph. 2:8-9�-�"For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF� YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."� Rom. 10:3�-�It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to,�"Establish their own righteousness."� Rom. 5:17�-�Heaven deserving righteousness is a�"GIFT,"�not something you earn.� I agree that God looks at both, but I think the 'intent' behind the action is more important than the action itself. for example is the following man righteous? he goes to church every sunday, always in the front row, helps around the church constantly, volunteers with the children, etc? you may be inclined to immediately answer YES! "He's showing his faith by works!" but what if the reason he was in church was to check out the pastors wife? he may not act on these feelings, but that may be the reason he is there to begin with. what if helping around the church is because he's trying to gain her approval? what if he's volunteering with the children because he likes watching them and it gives him a sexual thrill? Now he may not EVER act on any of these feelings, but God can see our TRUE motives. from the outside every person that knows this man thinks he's what 'righteous' should look like, he's 'doing' everything right...but I believe God will say to himnon the day of judgement "I do not know you" |
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No
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yes. its best to find out if your sexually compatible first. JMO
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Edited by
user1name1taken
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Thu 10/22/15 03:13 PM
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