Topic: Sex Before Marriage
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Sun 05/03/15 11:50 AM

I have met an american guy here in mingle. I've discussed into him that I do believe there's no premarital sex will happen to me and that guy....next thing I know...he doesn't have interest with me anymore :(


It seems sad for you now... But believe me, it is for the best for you, that he left.. He can NOT be who The Lord had chosen for you.
It is not that he is American, it is that he is not a TRUE Christian.

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Sun 05/03/15 11:53 AM
The terms of the new testament through the blood of Jesus are very clear in the Bible itself. But the Bible does NOT anywhere negate the relevance of Genesis to Malachi

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Sun 05/03/15 11:59 AM
Dear cowboy GH,

The terms of the new testament through the blood of Jesus Christ are very clear and explicit in the Bible itself.

But the Bible does NOT anywhere negate the relevance of Genesis to Malachi (old testament) as you always sound in your emails each time you see a quotation from the old testament.

Genesis to Malachi is as much scripture as Matthew to Revelation! Genesis to Revelation constitute Bible - all inspired by God.




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Sun 05/03/15 12:36 PM

The terms of the new testament through the blood of Jesus are very clear in the Bible itself. But the Bible does NOT anywhere negate the relevance of Genesis to Malachi


One can not follow old and new covenat simulataneously. They are quite a bit different. Old testament/covenant spoke of being saved by works and the sacrifice of beasts and such. In the NT Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, his grace is sufficiant. There is nothing you personally can do that is great then what has already been done for you by Jesus Christ.

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Sun 05/03/15 12:39 PM

Dear cowboy GH,

The terms of the new testament through the blood of Jesus Christ are very clear and explicit in the Bible itself.

But the Bible does NOT anywhere negate the relevance of Genesis to Malachi (old testament) as you always sound in your emails each time you see a quotation from the old testament.

Genesis to Malachi is as much scripture as Matthew to Revelation! Genesis to Revelation constitute Bible - all inspired by God.






It doesn't you say?


John 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


What is "it" here? He doesn't say I am finished, because obviously he isn't as he eternal.... so what exactly is "it" in coalittion to the statement at hand?

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Sun 05/03/15 01:08 PM
cowboyGH,

The Bible is one! The entire Bible is the word of God. If you think the old testament is not part of scripture, then it is a fundamental error.

If Genesis to Malachi were not important God would have given us only Matthew to Revelation as scripture!!!!

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Sun 05/03/15 01:19 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 05/03/15 01:21 PM

cowboyGH,

The Bible is one! The entire Bible is the word of God. If you think the old testament is not part of scripture, then it is a fundamental error.

If Genesis to Malachi were not important God would have given us only Matthew to Revelation as scripture!!!!


Again my friend yes the ENTIRE bible is God inspired. BUT for the actual instruction on us specifically has to be from just specifically the NT as the OT and the NT if tried to follow both would be contradictory as one is set up with sacrifices and the other the ultimate sacrifice has been made for you and nothing you personally could do could trump what again has already been done for you.

"Christianity" is the new testament, as before the NT there was no "Christ", no "Christ"ianity.

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Sun 05/03/15 01:47 PM
Christianity is hinged on God's word. God's word (Bible) is Genesis to Revelation).

In the first chapter of the gospel according to John, it is written..."in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God...".

The Bible also says..."Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.."

It is misleading to make people think that the Bible is only Matthew to revelation!

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Sun 05/03/15 02:00 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 05/03/15 02:01 PM

Christianity is hinged on God's word. God's word (Bible) is Genesis to Revelation).

In the first chapter of the gospel according to John, it is written..."in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God...".

The Bible also says..."Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.."

It is misleading to make people think that the Bible is only Matthew to revelation!

The "bible" and instrucitons to us is from Genesis to Revoluations. But you'll read that the old covenat was to come to an end just as the new is to come to an end when Jesus returns to redeam his children. And the old did come to an end with Jesus' blood being spilt for all of us. It doesn' make the old testament any lesser then it is, just again the old testament/covnenat has been fulfilled and one can not possibly follow the old covenant and new covenant at the same time. Yes may parts of it may not clash, but as for the entire covenant as a whole one can not follow both simulatneously.

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Sun 05/03/15 02:06 PM
All scripture is inspired by God, cowboyGH.

That's what God says in HIS word. Respect that!

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Sun 05/03/15 02:11 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 05/03/15 02:13 PM

All scripture is inspired by God, cowboyGH.

That's what God says in HIS word. Respect that!


Amen it is, but God has told us "it is finished" and has told us he came to "fulfill the old". If you assume my statements here are taken out of context, please teach me through directly the scriptures :) because I can teach you how the old covenant is finished, why it's finished, what finished it, and thus why God gave us a new to replace the old that which has no fault found in it as the old did.

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Mon 05/04/15 07:57 AM
cowboyGH,

My message to you remains the same. We understand the difference that the death and resurrection of JESUS CHRIST brings into faith issues.

But do not sell to people that Genesis to Malachi has no relevance to faith and Christianity. That's what you sound like each time a person makes reference to an old testament scripture and you come up with a message to say old testament is no longer relevant. This is an error!

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Mon 05/04/15 10:20 AM
Further scripture for you, cowboyGH:

Matthew Chapter 5:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


The New Testament in itself, is very explicit about the implications of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the impact of this on salvation for mankind. But no where does the Bible teach that Genesis - Malachi (old Testament) is no longer relevant to faith.

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Mon 05/04/15 11:11 AM
Appreciate your impute Jesusmyall.. but it says it straight forward right there in the scriptures.

Think not that I come to destroy the law, but to "fulfill"... After he says that, it put's it into context what he means when the following happens.

John 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

It is entirely impossible to follow both the old and new covenant's.. yes one could follow "parts" of each.. but as a whole, it is entirely impossible to follow both simultaneously.


Further scripture for you, cowboyGH:

Matthew Chapter 5:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


The New Testament in itself, is very explicit about the implications of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the impact of this on salvation for mankind. But no where does the Bible teach that Genesis - Malachi (old Testament) is no longer relevant to faith.


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Mon 05/04/15 11:16 AM
Won't say anything directly here as not to specifically "change your mind".. But let me ask you one simple question. What is the root word of "Christianity"? Is it not "Christ"? And was their a "Christ" in the old testament/covenant? To answer the question, no there was no "Christ" in the old testament/covenant. "Christianity" starts with the new covenant when Heaven was offered to the gentiles as well. For we are the gentiles, for we are not "Jew".

The first definition of "Gentile" is as follows.

1. A person who is not Jewish


cowboyGH,

My message to you remains the same. We understand the difference that the death and resurrection of JESUS CHRIST brings into faith issues.

But do not sell to people that Genesis to Malachi has no relevance to faith and Christianity. That's what you sound like each time a person makes reference to an old testament scripture and you come up with a message to say old testament is no longer relevant. This is an error!

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Mon 05/04/15 11:28 AM
Dear cowboyGH,

In truth, I really DO NOT have a problem with whatever you choose to believe or cleave to in spite of clear scripture verses. Your choice is your right and you will account for your choices in belief.

My main concern and the reason why I have written so many times is because I am concerned about you misleading others into thinking that the old testament is not part of scripture.

Please do not mislead people on this. The scripture in one complete book called the Bible, which is Genesis to Revelation!!!!

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Mon 05/04/15 11:37 AM

Dear cowboyGH,

In truth, I really DO NOT have a problem with whatever you choose to believe or cleave to in spite of clear scripture verses. Your choice is your right and you will account for your choices in belief.

My main concern and the reason why I have written so many times is because I am concerned about you misleading others into thinking that the old testament is not part of scripture.

Please do not mislead people on this. The scripture in one complete book called the Bible, which is Genesis to Revelation!!!!


OK please do clarify two specific points.

- Jesus saying he's not come to destroy the law but to fulfill
- Jesus saying "it is finished"

What was his reference to "it is finished" if not to the covenant he came to "fulfill".

And also since we're really getting deep into this conversation. Explain why he says the laws only hold power till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:34

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

And again keep in mind the actual core/meanings of words

Generation - All of the offspring that are at the same stage of descent from a common ancestor

The old testament was the generation of Adam, the New testament/covenant is the generation of Jesus.

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Mon 05/04/15 12:22 PM
You are wrong about taking old testament away from scripture. You can believe what you want but just don't mislead people. That's all

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Mon 05/04/15 12:27 PM

You are wrong about taking old testament away from scripture. You can believe what you want but just don't mislead people. That's all


How can one follow both?

OT = Saved by works
NT = Saved by faith, as Jesus Christ did any work possible. Nothing you could do could trump the works that has already been done for you.

OT = Eye for an eye
NT = turn the other cheek

So please do seriously explain how one can follow both?

And where is the "Christ" in the OT?
Christ = The Messiah, as foretold by the prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures Give just one example of the "Christ" in the OT. Not an example of specifically LORD God/Jesus Christ. But an example of there being a "Christ" in the OT.

Just to make it the most simple and not lead us into confusion of the discussion at hand. Answer this one question please.

How can one live by "eye for an eye/tooth for a tooth" but yet still "judge not"?

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Mon 05/04/15 12:31 PM
2nd Timothy 3:16-17 says all scripture is inspired by God. This includes the old testament. DO NOT change it to suit your own opinion.

"ALL SCRIPTURE IS BREATHED OUT BY GOD AND PROFITABLE FOR TEACHING, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, AND FOR TRAINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE COMPLETE, EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK".

2nd Timothy 3:16 is the last I have to say to you on this!!!!!