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| Topic: Is matriarchy good for man/woman relations? | |
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I thought we already lived in a "kinder, gentler" society where men are emasculated. A typical male, not all, is naturally aggressive, dominant, violent, loves to be at one with nature. The way that society is shaped and structured today by Western standards, we teach men to be kinder, love all animals, be sensitive, be nurturing, all typical female qualities. By the yin and yang philosophy, we are making men more yin, less yang. To combat this imbalance and gender confusion and to deal in a more feminine driven world where the natural testosterone driven violence and aggression in men is frowned upon, what do men do? They go hiking, whitewater rafting, jumping out of parachutes, thrill seeking, play violent video games, jump into mosh pits at concerts, have an obsession with sports, join the army, etc. In the old days, men truly ruled over women and that world was driven by violence and chaos. The women could not adjust so we changed the world for women in many ways, via work, voting rights, positions of power, voice in society. Now, men are having similar struggles adjusting in a feminine driven world based on their biology. We can never really live in each other's world. One will always be one up on the other and the other will always struggle or feel oppressed. Welcome to the real world. Aggression is not a typical male quality ... Aggression is a sign of imbalance of sorts. Can be found in both genders, although it may be more frightening coming from a man as they tend to be stronger than women. Whether men are emasculated is also open for debate. I don't agree with that at all. We are simply going through a major transition from suppression of the female to equality. Kind of logical that such a huge process can be a bumpy ride here and there. |
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Edited by
SparklingCrystal 💖💎
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Tue 04/14/15 06:15 AM
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Typical male qualities, as in Yang qualities:
- outgoing energy - need action and initiative, knowing that you got to do something in order to create/manifest/achieve - constructive and willing involvement in the outside world to achieve something in it - goal oriented and focused (mostly on 1 thing at the time) - creating - Proud and feels valued/acknowledged after he's reached a goal or victory - Competition, test of strength - Leadership & authority - Future oriented, emphasis on 'to become' as opposed to on 'to be' - Ability to time and implement a necessary change or innovation. Urge to innovate and change boundaries. Because of this: - Takes risks and challenges, has difficulty accepting limitation - ability to differentiate, and based on that knowledge, order and structure - Can separate things (issues) - Wants to experience individuality, feel that he is unique - wisdom based on analysis, understanding, knowledge - Focused on the abstract and logical/ratio - direct, doesn't fear calling a spade a spade, loves truth - Warrior energy --> the ability to sacrifice for something bigger than himself |
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Typical female or yin qualities are?
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The last one is lacking in a lot of men.
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I thought we already lived in a "kinder, gentler" society where men are emasculated. A typical male, not all, is naturally aggressive, dominant, violent, loves to be at one with nature. The way that society is shaped and structured today by Western standards, we teach men to be kinder, love all animals, be sensitive, be nurturing, all typical female qualities. By the yin and yang philosophy, we are making men more yin, less yang. To combat this imbalance and gender confusion and to deal in a more feminine driven world where the natural testosterone driven violence and aggression in men is frowned upon, what do men do? They go hiking, whitewater rafting, jumping out of parachutes, thrill seeking, play violent video games, jump into mosh pits at concerts, have an obsession with sports, join the army, etc. In the old days, men truly ruled over women and that world was driven by violence and chaos. The women could not adjust so we changed the world for women in many ways, via work, voting rights, positions of power, voice in society. Now, men are having similar struggles adjusting in a feminine driven world based on their biology. We can never really live in each other's world. One will always be one up on the other and the other will always struggle or feel oppressed. Welcome to the real world. Aggression is not a typical male quality ... Aggression is a sign of imbalance of sorts. Can be found in both genders, although it may be more frightening coming from a man as they tend to be stronger than women. Whether men are emasculated is also open for debate. I don't agree with that at all. We are simply going through a major transition from suppression of the female to equality. Kind of logical that such a huge process can be a bumpy ride here and there. I don't believe equality is achievable without sacrificing either the male or female states of being. You cannot have both coexisting. One needs to dominate the other. You can see this throughout history. Ideally, coexisting and equality would be great. Realistically and historically, never going to happen. |
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Edited by
SparklingCrystal 💖💎
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Tue 04/14/15 06:43 AM
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Want to say that by typical, I mean "how it's supposed to be", so when someone is balanced..
Typical female: - Waiting in faith, knowing when to act from an inner thing that's focused on solidarity & togetherness. Based on that, she knows when to wait, abide - patience, an inner knowing things go the way they go - An inner knowing that everything changes and everything flows (go with the flow) - an inner knowing that her creativity will simply flow from her - wisdom based on instinctive knowing, intuition, feeling and experiencing - oneness thinking, nothing is automatically right or wrong - Connected to life, nature, people - connected with the Here and Now, no distant future goals - Enjoying life in the Now - Ability to connect with potential (something that isn't tangible yet), like an unborn child, or an 'unborn' idea - receiving and related dependency - Able to accept pain, death, knowing the darker side of life is part of life itself, and able to deal with this. - Able to accept periods of discomfort and setbacks. She can go with the flow of these things without perishing - Life giving, carrying - Nurturing and caring - Focused on the personal - multi-tasking - able to create space for new things to grow - alertness to danger - experiencing and feeling the greater good or meaning of things, even when she cannot name/identify it. Longing to feel connected and that things have meaning . . |
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As for the inner balance between Masc. & Fem. you can look into the Anima and Animus (Jung). A woman with an unbalanced Animus or a man with an unbalanced Anima can display typical (unhealthy typical that is) behaviour. The stereotypical stuff you often read/hear/joke about is often part of an unbalanced Animus/Anima.
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Crystalfairy-
How do you come up with these lists of male and female qualities? |
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What i understand from your posts crystal is that man/woman relations can be improved by both patriarchy and matriarchy, and the imbalance of either is the cause of problems for both, such as aggression.
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There's so many different views on what it means, that maybe we should just invent a new word for it, lol. Indeed not easy to talk about it if everyone holds a different view of what it entails :/ yuh... semantics... 
but i will read more on the idea you were mentioning You should read more, because you are getting confused with semantics. Focus on the meaning of the words to get a deeper understanding and keep an open mind. Humans are humans, but men and women are two different kinds of humans. i know that. but i was referring to "matriarchal" vs "patriarchal" in relation to your original post. i think iamwhoiam answered the question very well Also, i said what i said before because i live in a region where matriarchy is part of the culture... Where did this quote come from? Makes it difficult to follow certain writers contrived thought processes around here if the editors aren't paying attention. This post was deleted? There are no edits of the opie's. derp. |
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The US has never, ever had a woman for president. Domestic violence is overwhelmingly violence toward women. Over sexualization of women in every aspect of western media. Housework is still done overwhelmingly by women. Single mothers are far more common than single fathers. Women live in poverty more than men. Women in most jobs are paid less than men. Women are promoted less than men. Women are too often the main financial providers of children and that number is growing. Women remain the sole or primary caregivers of children. You want people to vote for Hilary? Ick. 
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Crystalfairy- How do you come up with these lists of male and female qualities? I've been busy with the subject for years, reading a lot, online as well as books. I got a really great book on it, had a couple of others from the library. You can read some psychology, cultural & historical things, etc etc. It crossed my path when I started researching paganism, and active with energy work etc. Read a lot on European history, Celts, witchcraft, druids etc etc. In the past things used to be different between men & women. So not just the one thing really, years of reading, interest, learning, talking about and so on. At first I couldn't really grasp the concept, not really, but since about 2 years it's starting to sink in. It's quite something cos how relationships between men & women work (the balance of equality I mean), defines societies, cultures etc. So there's the individual level, but also the 'global' one. |
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What if patriarchal societies changed to matriarchal, would this solve most of the problems between men and women? Ok....I don't get it! What is it that you actually want..... a patriarchal or a matriarchal system! When it is a patriarchal system, you lament that women are not given equal rights and that women are being over sexualized, have to remain primary caregivers, do more housework, etc etc. In a matriarchal system, do you expect the men to undertake the care giving, housework, cooking and still bring back the dough, or are the women taking over the financial aspects as well......fully? I would think if the man is stronger and sole breadwinner....by all means, let him rule. If the man is contented to stay at home and let the woman be dominant as she earns more, then it is a compromise that they can work at. With a compromise on who brings in the bread and who dons the apron strings........ problem solved! Personally, as I am not physically strong....and who likes to struggle with financial woes...... I would say, let the men rule (or think they rule)! Just bring back the bread and the dough, and I will be happy to tend to the children and the house. |
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What I want is for women to decide what we want, not men.
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You have the power to decide and chart your own path..... if you have to ask and say it out loud, you have already relinquish your own 'power' or diminish it somewhat.
So, if you want to preach it that way..... go practice it, and it can be reality. |
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thank you amelinng. i couldn't find a way to say that, that wasn't going to get my head handed to me.
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The US has never, ever had a woman for president. Domestic violence is overwhelmingly violence toward women. Over sexualization of women in every aspect of western media. Housework is still done overwhelmingly by women. Single mothers are far more common than single fathers. Women live in poverty more than men. Women in most jobs are paid less than men. Women are promoted less than men. Women are too often the main financial providers of children and that number is growing. Women remain the sole or primary caregivers of children. Can you quote the stat's on this lets say 1960's vs 2014... As the old commercial ad said. We have come along way baby.. I live in the U.S. and in my state we have many different cultures of matriarchal" vs "patriarchal... I see the same atrocities in both... Til we all stop trying to be the king or queen of the hill and starting treating each other with the same kindness and respect that we feel we deserve. There will be inequalities, and abuse of all kinds to both sexes |
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What I want is for women to decide what we want, not men. It is a misconception that women in power will automatically decide what is best for women with positive results. |
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The US has never, ever had a woman for president. Domestic violence is overwhelmingly violence toward women. Over sexualization of women in every aspect of western media. Housework is still done overwhelmingly by women. Single mothers are far more common than single fathers. Women live in poverty more than men. Women in most jobs are paid less than men. Women are promoted less than men. Women are too often the main financial providers of children and that number is growing. Women remain the sole or primary caregivers of children. 
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no, women given power often change just as quickly as men
women given power focus often on outdoing men instead of working with men, for fear of being expected to 'submit' otherwise power corrupts very easily, regardless of gender and our society is screwed up enough without turning yet more of its structure upside down |
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