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| Topic: Is matriarchy good for man/woman relations? | |
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no, women given power often change just as quickly as men women given power focus often on outdoing men instead of working with men, for fear of being expected to 'submit' otherwise power corrupts very easily, regardless of gender and our society is screwed up enough without turning yet more of its structure upside down it's easier for women to whine about it than actually doing something about it... unless whining is the only way they can... |
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I would say, let the men rule (or think they rule)!
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no, women given power often change just as quickly as men women given power focus often on outdoing men instead of working with men, for fear of being expected to 'submit' otherwise power corrupts very easily, regardless of gender and our society is screwed up enough without turning yet more of its structure upside down it's easier for women to whine about it than actually doing something about it... unless whining is the only way they can... Moe, can you provide some cheese to go with that whine? It is your turn to provide the cheese. 
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no, women given power often change just as quickly as men women given power focus often on outdoing men instead of working with men, for fear of being expected to 'submit' otherwise power corrupts very easily, regardless of gender and our society is screwed up enough without turning yet more of its structure upside down it's easier for women to whine about it than actually doing something about it... unless whining is the only way they can... Moe, can you provide some cheese to go with that whine? It is your turn to provide the cheese.
i have some nice Limburger for that... 
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no, women given power often change just as quickly as men women given power focus often on outdoing men instead of working with men, for fear of being expected to 'submit' otherwise power corrupts very easily, regardless of gender and our society is screwed up enough without turning yet more of its structure upside down it's easier for women to whine about it than actually doing something about it... unless whining is the only way they can... Moe, can you provide some cheese to go with that whine? It is your turn to provide the cheese.
i have some nice Limburger for that...
Limburger would be perfect for a stinky attitude. 
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no, women given power often change just as quickly as men women given power focus often on outdoing men instead of working with men, for fear of being expected to 'submit' otherwise power corrupts very easily, regardless of gender and our society is screwed up enough without turning yet more of its structure upside down it's easier for women to whine about it than actually doing something about it... unless whining is the only way they can... Moe, can you provide some cheese to go with that whine? It is your turn to provide the cheese.
i have some nice Limburger for that...
Limburger would be perfect for a stinky attitude.
it seems the best suited... |
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All I want to point out in this subject area, is that there are no good shortcuts in life.
People either develop the wisdom to behave themselves in a manner which maximizes everyone's life, or they don't. Just switching out who wears the crown doesn't change or fix anything. One of the many things I learned by studying the History of human kind, is that everything takes a lot more to come to be the way it is, than you can imagine at first glance. And everything that had a part of shaping what has come to be, is still there in what is, here and now. If nothing else, observe the many societies which have been ruled by inherited power, and which therefore switched between male and female rulers again and again. They were no different under the Queens than under the Kings. It was the idea of Rule itself, which determined how life was for them. Not the genitalia of the Ruler. |
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All I want to point out in this subject area, is that there are no good shortcuts in life. People either develop the wisdom to behave themselves in a manner which maximizes everyone's life, or they don't. Just switching out who wears the crown doesn't change or fix anything. One of the many things I learned by studying the History of human kind, is that everything takes a lot more to come to be the way it is, than you can imagine at first glance. And everything that had a part of shaping what has come to be, is still there in what is, here and now. If nothing else, observe the many societies which have been ruled by inherited power, and which therefore switched between male and female rulers again and again. They were no different under the Queens than under the Kings. It was the idea of Rule itself, which determined how life was for them. Not the genitalia of the Ruler. look at Cleopatra, how many wars/ people she enslaved during her reign? |
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Cleopatra was a woman who decided to show men that a woman could outplay them at their own game. It's not that women can't, it's that we don't want what men want. I want women to do what they want, not what men want. Men want women to become like Cleopatra or at least play the game on their terms like bring them beer during the football game (this is how mingle2 men describe good women)..
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Cleopatra was a woman who decided to show men that a woman could outplay them at their own game. It's not that women can't, it's that we don't want what men want. I want women to do what they want, not what men want. Men want women to become like Cleopatra or at least play the game on their terms like bring them beer during the football game (this is how mingle2 men describe good women).. and you still haven't learned yet... is there something wrong with getting your guy a beer? |
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Cleopatra is a fantasy for many men who secretly want a woman to dominate them and she is the envy of many women who look up to her as a role model.
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Cleopatra is a fantasy for many men who secretly want a woman to dominate them and she is the envy of many women who look up to her as a role model. ok, so what are your thoughts of some of the queens of England? |
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Cleopatra was a woman who decided to show men that a woman could outplay them at their own game. It's not that women can't, it's that we don't want what men want. I want women to do what they want, not what men want. Men want women to become like Cleopatra or at least play the game on their terms like bring them beer during the football game (this is how mingle2 men describe good women).. yep,Cleopatra was the Epitome of Female Docility! 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra definitely no Conveyor of Halftime Beer!
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Cleopatra was a woman who decided to show men that a woman could outplay them at their own game. It's not that women can't, it's that we don't want what men want. I want women to do what they want, not what men want. Men want women to become like Cleopatra or at least play the game on their terms like bring them beer during the football game (this is how mingle2 men describe good women).. and you still haven't learned yet... is there something wrong with getting your guy a beer? There is something wrong since used it's message is for women to serve you and your terms. Would you teach your daughter that all that matters is that she serves men? |
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Cleopatra was a woman who decided to show men that a woman could outplay them at their own game. It's not that women can't, it's that we don't want what men want. I want women to do what they want, not what men want. Men want women to become like Cleopatra or at least play the game on their terms like bring them beer during the football game (this is how mingle2 men describe good women).. and you still haven't learned yet... is there something wrong with getting your guy a beer? There is something wrong since used it's message is for women to serve you and your terms. Would you teach your daughter that all that matters is that she serves men? no, i would teach my daughter that if he makes you happy, then you should try to make him happy... since you see it as just a one way street, then the whole concept of keeping each happy is lost... |
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Cleopatra was a woman who decided to show men that a woman could outplay them at their own game. It's not that women can't, it's that we don't want what men want. I want women to do what they want, not what men want. Men want women to become like Cleopatra or at least play the game on their terms like bring them beer during the football game (this is how mingle2 men describe good women).. and you still haven't learned yet... is there something wrong with getting your guy a beer? There is something wrong since used it's message is for women to serve you and your terms. Would you teach your daughter that all that matters is that she serves men? no, i would teach my daughter that if he makes you happy, then you should try to make him happy... since you see it as just a one way street, then the whole concept of keeping each happy is lost... If he makes me happy, I would bring him the beer anytime when he is watching his football game, even pour him coffee and serve him breakfast as he pore over his papers, and remove his shoes when he flops on the sofa exhausted from whatever he had been doing. And I would think he would be happy in turn to bring me a glass of wine as I flop on the sofa after a hard day of work, wash the dishes after our meals, and carry me to bed when I fall asleep on his lap while he is watching his football game. |
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Cleopatra was a woman who decided to show men that a woman could outplay them at their own game. It's not that women can't, it's that we don't want what men want. I want women to do what they want, not what men want. Men want women to become like Cleopatra or at least play the game on their terms like bring them beer during the football game (this is how mingle2 men describe good women).. and you still haven't learned yet... is there something wrong with getting your guy a beer? There is something wrong since used it's message is for women to serve you and your terms. Would you teach your daughter that all that matters is that she serves men? no, i would teach my daughter that if he makes you happy, then you should try to make him happy... since you see it as just a one way street, then the whole concept of keeping each happy is lost... If he makes me happy, I would bring him the beer anytime when he is watching his football game, even pour him coffee and serve him breakfast as he pore over his papers, and remove his shoes when he flops on the sofa exhausted from whatever he had been doing. And I would think he would be happy in turn to bring me a glass of wine as I flop on the sofa after a hard day of work, wash the dishes after our meals, and carry me to bed when I fall asleep on his lap while he is watching his football game. of course, most men would be more than happy to do these things, thats the two way street in being happy... relationships never work when it's one sided, him or her... 
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Bravo mightymoe and Amelinng
well said
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You'll be surprised that in some seemingly patriarchal families...... the men work, provide financially, never lifts a finger in the household chores, is served hand and foot by the women of the house, and by his children too..... but behind the scene, his woman actually has him wrapped around her little finger! (ok...before you start firing at me, read back, I said 'some')
Anyway, there must be some substance to the age old saying 'behind every great man, there is a great(er) woman'!  
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