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darkphoenix73
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and how many people if flying their usa flag and its starts to rain run out and get it I can say not many and if u like I can say that is very disrespectaful of our flag ... United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10: �174. Time and occasions for display (c) Inclement weather The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed. the irony or whatever one would call it is that the soldier in this picture risks everything for God and country, for the rights and freedom of others, including the right to free speech evidenced in the condemnation of this pic. those who criticize don't seem to recognize that I recognize that he has the right to use the flag in the way that he did for this picture,and could be punished for it, depending on his local laws, but it doesn't mean that I have to like it. The Flag Code of the US is a set of guidelines regarding the handling, treatment and display of the Stars and Stripes in order to show respect to the country it represents. It does not impose penalties for misuse of the United States Flag. That is left to the states and to the federal government for the District of Columbia. The Stars and Stripes represent a "living" country and is itself considered a "living" thing. United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10: �176. Respect for flag No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling. (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#36 Edit: added the US Flag Code link. |
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and how many people if flying their usa flag and its starts to rain run out and get it I can say not many and if u like I can say that is very disrespectaful of our flag ... United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10: �174. Time and occasions for display (c) Inclement weather The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed. the irony or whatever one would call it is that the soldier in this picture risks everything for God and country, for the rights and freedom of others, including the right to free speech evidenced in the condemnation of this pic. those who criticize don't seem to recognize that I recognize that he has the right to use the flag in the way that he did for this picture,and could be punished for it, depending on his local laws, but it doesn't mean that I have to like it. The Flag Code of the US is a set of guidelines regarding the handling, treatment and display of the Stars and Stripes in order to show respect to the country it represents. It does not impose penalties for misuse of the United States Flag. That is left to the states and to the federal government for the District of Columbia. The Stars and Stripes represent a "living" country and is itself considered a "living" thing. United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10: �176. Respect for flag No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling. (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#36 Edit: added the US Flag Code link. guidelines, not laws... |
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guidelines, not laws... I never said they were laws, but each state can enact laws to protect the flag, if they so choose. Depending on what laws are on the books where these people live, they could end up in court over it. It's not a certainty, but a possibility. As I said in my previous post, these guidelines are designed to show respect to the symbol of our country. |
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guidelines, not laws... I never said they were laws, but each state can enact laws to protect the flag, if they so choose. Depending on what laws are on the books where these people live, they could end up in court over it. It's not a certainty, but a possibility. As I said in my previous post, these guidelines are designed to show respect to the symbol of our country. you can't force people to have respect, it's not nazi germany<----even tho the democrats are not aware of this... respect is either given freely or it won't matter |
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and not sure if I read everyone's answers ...
that might have said it is not right to let our flag ... USA touch the ground ... all out of respect for... our country from yrs ago I guess ... same as don't get it wet ... and do not burn ... those are the only ones.. I can think of ... that would be part of history... and what I was taught when younger ... |
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I'm not sure what the problem is here? A soldier drapes a flag around his kid and people are outraged at that? The World has gone f*****g mad if you ask me? I can't see nothing wrong in that whatsoever!
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I'm not sure what the problem is here? A soldier drapes a flag around his kid and people are outraged at that? The World has gone f*****g mad if you ask me? I can't see nothing wrong in that whatsoever! some of us over here are just as confused about that as well... |
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I'm not sure what the problem is here? A soldier drapes a flag around his kid and people are outraged at that? The World has gone f*****g mad if you ask me? I can't see nothing wrong in that whatsoever! some of us over here are just as confused about that as well... maybe the older generation of veterans ...perhaps has more issues with what they have been taught ... |
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In the 105th Congress, the Flag
Code was removed from title 36 of the United States Code and recodified as part of title 4 https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf |
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Edited by
darkphoenix73
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Fri 03/20/15 09:12 PM
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you can't force people to have respect, it's not nazi germany
I never said you could. maybe the older generation of veterans ...perhaps has more issues with what they have been taught ... I'm not "older" (I'm 41 until next month) and I'm not a Veteran (medically disqualified), but I still don't like when people do things like this, as well as using the flag in other ways. Regardless of my personal view on the matter, it is STILL THEIR RIGHT to do what they want with the flag. I never meant to imply otherwise, if I did. I may not like something a person says, but I still respect their right to say it. I may not like someone's religion, but I respect their right to practice it, as long as they aren't harming me or my loved ones by practicing that religion. If, in practicing their religion, they do, I have the right to exercise my Second Amendment rights. Even then there are rules that have to be followed, though. :) In the 105th Congress, the Flag Code was removed from title 36 of the United States Code and recodified as part of title 4 Even if they moved it form Title 36 to Title 4, the wording is identical as far as I have read. (These are the specific sections of the code I have an issue with here.) Title 4 United States Code, � 8. Respect for Flag. (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping in front of the platform, and for a decoration in general. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. Versus United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10: �176. Respect for flag (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. |
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I think it's a beautiful expression of love of country and family. people can post pics of themselves at sporting events wrapped in the flag of their choice whether it's of a nation ora pparticular team. yet someone complains at a tasteful expression of pride and love??? you got that right... totally agree... So do I. The serviceman was showing pride of his newborn and pride of his country. and BTW, when he goes to work... fighting for his country, there is always the chance that he will not come him.. he has a right to wrap that kid in the flag... he has earned it. |
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Myself I see it as a beautiful picture.. It gives the message that the Military is protecting their young, for the flag of this Great Country...
My son-n-law is a Fireman... when both of their babies were born I requested them to take pictures with his Fireman Suit and Helmet.. it is a symbol of love and protection... I have actually known many in the Military to take similar pictures... All a work of art & beauty.. Those type of pictures will bring relief to some of those that have lost their mother/father within a war.. It will remind them that they fought for them to have their Freedom, the flag is a reminder what they fought for and who they were protecting.. |
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Great pic.. I LOVE it.
Sadly it is NO longer politically correct - under the current administration. Neither is calling illegals & aliens & non Americans.. What they actually are. They are shooting for ... It's Un-American & politicaly incorrect to be a patriot ( in the true sense). One world order- here we come. : 
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you can't force people to have respect, it's not nazi germany
I never said you could. maybe the older generation of veterans ...perhaps has more issues with what they have been taught ... I'm not "older" (I'm 41 until next month) and I'm not a Veteran (medically disqualified), but I still don't like when people do things like this, as well as using the flag in other ways. Regardless of my personal view on the matter, it is STILL THEIR RIGHT to do what they want with the flag. I never meant to imply otherwise, if I did. I may not like something a person says, but I still respect their right to say it. I may not like someone's religion, but I respect their right to practice it, as long as they aren't harming me or my loved ones by practicing that religion. If, in practicing their religion, they do, I have the right to exercise my Second Amendment rights. Even then there are rules that have to be followed, though. :) In the 105th Congress, the Flag Code was removed from title 36 of the United States Code and recodified as part of title 4 Even if they moved it form Title 36 to Title 4, the wording is identical as far as I have read. (These are the specific sections of the code I have an issue with here.) Title 4 United States Code, � 8. Respect for Flag. (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping in front of the platform, and for a decoration in general. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. Versus United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10: �176. Respect for flag (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. Yeh..Yeh.. Yeh... and you should not take the label off of the mattress under penalty of law. it was a great photo... look the other way it you don't like it. Most red blooded Americans DO like it. |
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Ok, first of all, can we stop calling the guy a soldier? He's a sailor. There is a difference. Now that we have that out of the way, he clearly meant no harm, but he should have educated himself on the Flag Code and avoided this whole mess. Just because he wears a uniform doesn't mean it's ok for him to treat the Flag however he wants. As a United States Sailor, he should know better.
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Great pic.. I LOVE it. Sadly it is NO longer politically correct - under the current administration. Neither is calling illegals & aliens & non Americans.. What they actually are. They are shooting for ... It's Un-American & politicaly incorrect to be a patriot ( in the true sense). One world order- here we come. :
it hasn't been 'politically' correct since long before this administration when the US codes were written establishing the 'proper' conduct with a flag |
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Edited by
msharmony
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you can't force people to have respect, it's not nazi germany
I never said you could. maybe the older generation of veterans ...perhaps has more issues with what they have been taught ... I'm not "older" (I'm 41 until next month) and I'm not a Veteran (medically disqualified), but I still don't like when people do things like this, as well as using the flag in other ways. Regardless of my personal view on the matter, it is STILL THEIR RIGHT to do what they want with the flag. I never meant to imply otherwise, if I did. I may not like something a person says, but I still respect their right to say it. I may not like someone's religion, but I respect their right to practice it, as long as they aren't harming me or my loved ones by practicing that religion. If, in practicing their religion, they do, I have the right to exercise my Second Amendment rights. Even then there are rules that have to be followed, though. :) In the 105th Congress, the Flag Code was removed from title 36 of the United States Code and recodified as part of title 4 Even if they moved it form Title 36 to Title 4, the wording is identical as far as I have read. (These are the specific sections of the code I have an issue with here.) Title 4 United States Code, � 8. Respect for Flag. (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping in front of the platform, and for a decoration in general. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. Versus United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10: �176. Respect for flag (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. Yeh..Yeh.. Yeh... and you should not take the label off of the mattress under penalty of law. it was a great photo... look the other way it you don't like it. Most red blooded Americans DO like it. I don't care one way or the other, I'm just here for the entertainment, but for those who are stuck on how a flag should be 'treated',, what side the hand should cross the chest, whether one should sit or stand, face the flag,,,,etc,,,etc,,,etc,, the US CODE seems to be the authoritative guideline on such etiquette and according to IT, that photo is not respectful I just think its a cute picture... |
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Great pic.. I LOVE it. Sadly it is NO longer politically correct - under the current administration. Neither is calling illegals & aliens & non Americans.. What they actually are. They are shooting for ... It's Un-American & politicaly incorrect to be a patriot ( in the true sense). One world order- here we come. :
it hasn't been 'politically' correct since long before this administration when the US codes were written establishing the 'proper' conduct with a flag |
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Great pic.. I LOVE it. Sadly it is NO longer politically correct - under the current administration. Neither is calling illegals & aliens & non Americans.. What they actually are. They are shooting for ... It's Un-American & politicaly incorrect to be a patriot ( in the true sense). One world order- here we come. :
it hasn't been 'politically' correct since long before this administration when the US codes were written establishing the 'proper' conduct with a flag I think you are replying to the wrong post. |
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Great pic.. I LOVE it. Sadly it is NO longer politically correct - under the current administration. Neither is calling illegals & aliens & non Americans.. What they actually are. They are shooting for ... It's Un-American & politicaly incorrect to be a patriot ( in the true sense). One world order- here we come. :
it hasn't been 'politically' correct since long before this administration when the US codes were written establishing the 'proper' conduct with a flag I think you are replying to the wrong post. |
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