There's a difference between "Talking/Discussing[ in the objective]" & "Judging"[i.e."very negative"]" all the OP's posts So you agree with "Everyone"[THEM]? Sad to add is the fact that you would even write that, illustrates the objection[s] that I had in reading this thread.


"As I stare up at azure skies, my depression kicks in, and I slowly begin to lose my sanity..."


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just like you are yours.

There's a difference between "Talking/Discussing[ in the objective]" & "Judging"[i.e."very negative"]" all the OP's posts So you agree with "Everyone"[THEM]? Sad to add is the fact that you would even write that, illustrates the objection[s] that I had in reading this thread.


"As I stare up at azure skies, my depression kicks in, and I slowly begin to lose my sanity..."


Hi Valeris. You are a very cool person! Thanks for standing up for what you believe!

Omg laughing this thread is funnny I must have missed the bus

If you're just looking for financial stability ... sorry, cannot really respect that!
You should be able to stand on your own two feet. And if you do intend to use a man for financial security, to save you and your child, I don't think you have any right whinging and moaning about men.

What the heck do you expect to find when you're intending to use men? Love? You reap what you sow, girl! So if the fruit turns out to be bitter, it's your own doing.

I am not interested in using a man for money. I would have money by now if I was that kind of girl, trust me I have turned down a lot of men because I am one of those women who tend to fall for the emotional connection (which has been my vulnerability I admit) not money. I wonder what it would have been like if I had married that doctor or that journalist or the architect or others...(all were interested in something serious that would no doubt lead to marriage (this is Turkey and that is how it's done). However, I have learned that a man can become a financial burden if he doesn't make an effort to stand on his own two feet and get a job. Having a baby puts more importance on the issue obviously, but still I am stubborn about the money dependence thing. So, you got the wrong girl.

Someone speaketh with forked tongue...

Truth breeds hatred...

So what are you after here, Estelle? Setting the foundation for a utopia with social, familial, gender roles?


You've said, "read carefully" before. All I can gleen is wishful thinking....whaddya gonna do, kill off all the elites that do not care about dying babies, and depopulation?

Again, you are setting up unrealistic expectations, which sets you up for more of exactly what you're complaining about.

kudos to you for being financially independent.

there's something i got confused here, tho... you started out by professing that there are financially capable men interested in you, but you chose not to be with them because you want the emotional connectivity...then shifted to saying how men can be a financial burden... is one exclusive from the other, in your experience?

They say if you can love a poor man, then you can love a rich man too. I guess that's true.

I have never really been truly financially independent, but I also run from the men who could help with that, because I feel they will be too controlling. I've always wanted to do it myself, and so I date men either at my level or below financially. But, I have come across men who have less and try to get what's mine (and when you don't have enough...this is worse). Ideally we would be at a similar place and make it together in life, that has never happened with anyone, so I have not been married.

seems like you may let financial state influence your choices within a relationship in the wrong way...

So you drastically limit your choices, then complain that you can't find what you're looking for? You want financial stability, but won't go for a man who makes more than you? Because you think he may be controlling. OK. Whatever floats your boat. Just quit complaining about the men, when in reality, your own choices are the reason you can't find the guy you're looking for. Again, see my comments about how a guy has to fit neatly in this box or he's not good enough for you. Forget the exact details. The point is valid. Additionally, you have contradicted yourself several times. Truthfully, I don't think you are afraid of a man controlling you. I think you're afraid of men who won't let you control them.

Bingo!!!

We could just get her some soft ties for her play room.

Spot on

The top reason for divorce is money, why do you think that is?

Capitalism.

You are avoiding addressing my point. Why is that? An uncomfortable truth? You, my dear, present yourself as a misandrist, then complain that you can't find a man. Address my point, then I will answer your question.

Estelle, you haven't been stating truth. You have been stating your opinions.
Misandry is a common theme in your posts, and it has gotten to be old.