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you guys have a big problem it is called where you live, we don't tolerate that crap up here hehehe... yea, communist never tolerate anyone but them self. uh, the same as a communist, hehehe... oh thank god! love being dated! except by dictators and communists and the mentally ill! 
why thank you good lookin! care for a date with a communist, a socialist, a republican, a democrat, a heathen, a christian, a globalist, a god, a devil, a demon, an angel.... come to pappa!
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Edited by
massagetrade
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why?
because it "sounds bad"... no more need for guns to shoot the violent... oh, of course, warning chirps first, to allow one to stop it self, using it's own free will... but if they don't halt them self, then jolt them if they still insist on secreting violence? ... Thank you for explaining your point of view more fully. If we did not already have a corrupt world in which people in power abuse their power, and in which people are intentionally kept dis-empowered, and in which personal liberty and privacy are being eroded every decade, I would be more open to this line of thought. You seem to be looking at the trade-offs involved in having or not-having some kinds of people mixed in with the rest of us (those with violent inclinations, who don't control themselves). But we also need to look at how this can change the relationship between the citizen and the state. Look at all the ways that these devices could be abused by the state. I am sympathetic to your line of thinking with you make comparisons with the prison system, we can make improvements there but I don't think that implants are the answer. Also, consider this: what happens when an implanted person encounters a violent, non-implanted person? Will the implanted person be incapable of the action needed to protect themselves? |
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Al, when you quote my messages you leave the nested markup hanging unclosed. If you don't want to properly close the nested markup, maybe you could change the font or something, to indicate who is saying what. Otherwise it looks like you are speaking my own words, without delineating that those are my words. Sorry, didn't mean to but this nesting is getting fairly large. Miss one and the whole thing collapses. Didn't have time to edit within allotted window. My bad. But when you wish to bend words to your view, then that does mean something to me. Yeah, we agree that we don't care too much what the other does, but just like you take issue with my 'bending words' I take issue with you implying, but neither owning nor disavowing, abuses of logic. Abuses of logic, would that not be within the same arena as the words, a matter of perception. I believe I have been very explicit that the words we have been debating are truth and perception. Your generalization is not very explicit at all. Even to go so far as to inject that truth cannot truly be known which is the mark of a solipsist. Sigh. I hold that (a) there are some truths which are easily known to most people, (b) some which may be easy for some to know and difficult or maybe impossible for others to know, and (c) there may exist some truths which cannot be known to humans. I also hold that you seem to like to oversimplify. Particularly when deciding which 'ideological box' to put someone in. Oversimplify, not really. It is the attempt to add complexity to an otherwise very simple concept that causes the issues. And again, I but provide the definition, it is the action that places one in the "ideological box", a decision of self choice not a decision of judgement. The point being that to me it is Odumbo, and you may use whatever you desire, that is not my concern. Okay, I'm ready to give up, as you keep taking this in circles. That's the point you care about. The point I cared about was: your defence of childish name calling (or Obama) rested on a false dilemma fallacy. No, that is not the point. The point is your imposition of a right to judge the actions of another that is really none of your business. It is your propensity to ascribe your values upon another when you can ill be the injured party. And Odumbo by his very acts can't claim to be an injured party. However, your actions have caused me to be an injured party by trying to deny me my inalienable right of free expression. Trying to imply some arcane label only intensives the injury as a further usurpation of my right. To try and infuse something about a pedestal is not in any way relevant, we are not discussing worship. You were the one who brought pedestals into the conversation. You spoke against placing obama on a pedestal. Please, go back and review, it was not I that brought the pedestal into the conversation. I but instilled that the pedestal would work good with a rope. It was your proclamation that because you didn't call Odumbo Odumbo that you didn't place him on a pedestal. My writings are human and can only be perception, perceptions that waver as information is consumed and assimilated. That's good. Ah, a matter we can fully agree upon. But if you can agree upon this premise, why the problem with the overall concept of truth and perception? truth is always known to a moral and somewhat even an immoral man if there is but one question asked, would I feel good if that were to happen to me? I believe that you have been focused on 'moral truths', while I've been focused on "truths about the physical universe". And what would be the difference? The truths of the universe has always been valid since the beginning of time and will be true into eternity. It is but the perceptions of man that waver. And without morality, the truths of the universe cannot be understood because an immoral man has no truth but the color of truth to mask his true being. Is not man a physical being within a physical world? How can they ever be separated? What is true in the microcosm is true in the macrocosm. "Truth is belligerent. Truth is, by its very nature, at war with the forces of falsehood and deceit." - Bertolt Brecht |
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David, I haven't read enough of your posts to know for sure when you are being serious and when you are being sarcastic. My apologies if I've misunderstood you. the kkk can do whatever they want, just not lift a finger to harm another... and the thugs can do whatever they want, so long as they don't lift a finger to harm another... I'm guessing you mean this seriously, and I agree. We should have freedom of speech, even so called 'hate speech', but the moment someone moves to harm another we need someone to step in and stop them. words and thoughts are not illegal, just physical bodily harm to another... 
damn, won't it be great when the violent who can't control their bodily impulses are tasered by their own body implant... a truly non violent world... Is this part a joke? I think it would be awful to achieve peace by giving everyone self-tasering body implants. why? because it "sounds bad"... no more need for guns to shoot the violent... oh, of course, warning chirps first, to allow one to stop it self, using it's own free will... but if they don't halt them self, then jolt them if they still insist on secreting violence? would not this be much more nice and beneficial than throwing millions upon millions in prisons, amongst other violent people? what purpose is that serving... they can't contribute to society... and put violent among violent and it breeds MORE VIOLENCE... and none would have to worry about others being able to slap them down, rape them, murder them, kidnap them... so one would see one on the ground once in a while, and all would know they are conquering them self, and their primitive instincts... a truly peaceful world, where energies and brain powers would be able to be focused on creating more grand for all, versus trying to keep people safe from others people... where all those who have conquered their primitive instincts would be proud of all others who accomplish the same... where encouragement to conquer one self is the modis operandi, it no longer being as it is most now, to conquer others. a kind and gentle force that only becomes force, if one begin to validate forceful emotions in it's body... so how is it really cruel... what we have now is truly far far far more cruel. Are you nutz? I've got a shock collar for my dog that could have your name on it too. She listens very well when she has it on. No talking back even. yes, it would work quite well for those whom love to beat dogs as well... oh, and any talk is acceptable! just not violent actions! |
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Gosh, isn't that something? How massagetrade & alnewman quote the same things and answer to them? (page 7) On page 7 Al and I are having some semblance of a discussion and therefore quoting each others words back at the other - just as anyone does. What is it that you find unusual and comment-worth about that? Wow, just amazing.
How big is this ego goin on there to disrespect this forum like that? Do big egos need big fonts? Big, big fonts to make sure everyone can see! Sorry, that is not what is being implied. The statement connotates that you are an alternate ego of myself and I am making both posts. Something to do with your challenges to that person are along the same lines as mine. |
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David, I haven't read enough of your posts to know for sure when you are being serious and when you are being sarcastic. My apologies if I've misunderstood you. the kkk can do whatever they want, just not lift a finger to harm another... and the thugs can do whatever they want, so long as they don't lift a finger to harm another... I'm guessing you mean this seriously, and I agree. We should have freedom of speech, even so called 'hate speech', but the moment someone moves to harm another we need someone to step in and stop them. words and thoughts are not illegal, just physical bodily harm to another...
damn, won't it be great when the violent who can't control their bodily impulses are tasered by their own body implant... a truly non violent world... Is this part a joke? I think it would be awful to achieve peace by giving everyone self-tasering body implants. why? because it "sounds bad"... no more need for guns to shoot the violent... oh, of course, warning chirps first, to allow one to stop it self, using it's own free will... but if they don't halt them self, then jolt them if they still insist on secreting violence? would not this be much more nice and beneficial than throwing millions upon millions in prisons, amongst other violent people? what purpose is that serving... they can't contribute to society... and put violent among violent and it breeds MORE VIOLENCE... and none would have to worry about others being able to slap them down, rape them, murder them, kidnap them... so one would see one on the ground once in a while, and all would know they are conquering them self, and their primitive instincts... a truly peaceful world, where energies and brain powers would be able to be focused on creating more grand for all, versus trying to keep people safe from others people... where all those who have conquered their primitive instincts would be proud of all others who accomplish the same... where encouragement to conquer one self is the modis operandi, it no longer being as it is most now, to conquer others. a kind and gentle force that only becomes force, if one begin to validate forceful emotions in it's body... so how is it really cruel... what we have now is truly far far far more cruel. Are you nutz? I've got a shock collar for my dog that could have your name on it too. She listens very well when she has it on. No talking back even. yes, it would work quite well for those whom love to beat dogs as well... oh, and any talk is acceptable! just not violent actions! oh, forget it. I'll just ring the bell instead for you. 
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Sorry, that is not what is being implied. The statement connotates that you are an alternate ego of myself and I am making both posts.
Something to do with your challenges to that person are along the same lines as mine. Yes, but somehow the fact that we are 'quoting the same things' appears to be part of the 'evidence',  , as if the reader was unable to understand the simple fact that you and I were quoting each others statements to each other, and therefore 'quoting the same things'.
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Ah... quite unaware one be... one has not been paying much attention if it does not know i have been voicing a one world constitution or world order for many years now, seeing that if we don't have one, forward progress will be impossible, not to mention a third world war impossible to avoid... without a world order the peoples shall continue to devolve further into the narcissistic sociopathic thinking that each it self should be the decider and dictator of what all other human words and behavior should be... Have you been doing all this over in Ferguson? Did you have hershey stripes in your dress? damn Al... my sincere respect and admiration of all your character traits, extending a true sincere welcome to a better way... and all you give back is a kindergarten grade joke... ferguson... where the dumb on both sides follow the fiddle that seeks but to find who is dumb and gullible to know how to rehabilitate them to a better logic. oh where is your faith in leadership. oh yea, i know, you are the wisest leader, i forgot. oopsie... but i know ya got better than that... the kkk can do whatever they want, just not lift a finger to harm another... and the thugs can do whatever they want, so long as they don't lift a finger to harm another... and whomever does, they will create their own extinction, so what is to worry about... words and thoughts are not illegal, just physical bodily harm to another... damn, won't it be great when the violent who can't control their bodily impulses are tasered by their own body implant... a truly non violent world... that is what the new world order actually stands for, but you would not know this since you have been snookered and swallowed the gazillions of megabits of propodata, intentionally fed to all to sea which fish can actually deduct beyond their five senses and what they are told. smiles Are you not aware of what post you are responding to? |
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thats why i love Al... it's nuttin personal to him... that's why we need you on the council of the new world order! please oh please reconsider! a small retooling of the objectives, and a great TEAM player we could have! smiles Sorry, that is never going to happen. While I have no problem destroying that which exists, I will in the same stroke destroy the new world order. I am of the premonition of Patrick Henry, if I can not be free, I will accept death because in death is freedom. |
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Sorry, that is not what is being implied. The statement connotates that you are an alternate ego of myself and I am making both posts.
Something to do with your challenges to that person are along the same lines as mine. Yes, but somehow the fact that we are 'quoting the same things' appears to be part of the 'evidence', , as if the reader was unable to understand the simple fact that you and I were quoting each others statements to each other, and therefore 'quoting the same things'.
TO? No. About. Same difference. Keep twisting. Keep talking to "self". lmfao. |
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I don't see a correlation between a government implanting tasers to modify behavior and free will. Now you're getting somewhere, but not where a prudent person would want to be. But it does explain a lot about the person. |
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No, that is not the point. The point is your imposition of a right to judge the actions of another that is really none of your business. It is your propensity to ascribe your values upon another when you can ill be the injured party. And Odumbo by his very acts can't claim to be an injured party.
We can keep declaring that our own point is 'the point'... you have a point you want to make, I have a point I want to make. It's true that I disapprove of you calling Obama 'Odumbo', but its not that important. You don't seem to want to talk about the point I was trying to make, that's fine. However, your actions have caused me to be an injured party by trying to deny me my inalienable right of free expression. Trying to imply some arcane label only intensives the injury as a further usurpation of my right. Nonsense. You right of free expression is not harmed by mere criticism. But if you can agree upon this premise, why the problem with the overall concept of truth and perception? There is a considerable issue of language. I may or may not agree with your actual thoughts; I disagree with what I believe to be your intention and meaning, based on my understanding of your words. |
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why?
because it "sounds bad"... no more need for guns to shoot the violent... oh, of course, warning chirps first, to allow one to stop it self, using it's own free will... but if they don't halt them self, then jolt them if they still insist on secreting violence? ... Thank you for explaining your point of view more fully. If we did not already have a corrupt world in which people in power abuse their power, and in which people are intentionally kept dis-empowered, and in which personal liberty and privacy are being eroded every decade, I would be more open to this line of thought. You seem to be looking at the trade-offs involved in having or not-having some kinds of people mixed in with the rest of us (those with violent inclinations, who don't control themselves). But we also need to look at how this can change the relationship between the citizen and the state. Look at all the ways that these devices could be abused by the state. I am sympathetic to your line of thinking with you make comparisons with the prison system, we can make improvements there but I don't think that implants are the answer. Also, consider this: what happens when an implanted person encounters a violent, non-implanted person? Will the implanted person be incapable of the action needed to protect themselves? there will be no need to protect one self... thats just the point. a true quality of life possible for all whom commit to no violence. some are just so programmed to think it has to exist, they actually fight to keep it. all not accepting by consent to non violent people management systems will not be allowed to live anywhere near, and live in a completely segregated part of the world... unless they concede to a none violent implants device. they violent sector, or those whom deem violence good and ok, will not have any modern conveniences or modern amenities... it shall be dog eat dog... just as they like it. they shall have to fend for them self in the primitive sectors of the world, where it's a might cold too... as they get no heat nor electricity nor foods from civilized society. it's gonna be great... talk about people being willing to dump their anger, as truly that is all it takes. the angry, the violent, belong there, until they concede to LEARNING how to not validate their anger, and live non violently and aggressively with their fellow species. oh, i can assure you, it is not hard to keep the primitive from entering modern society. it shall be grand! and look at all the ways any system now can be abused... from top to bottom... no one is allowed in that is not tagged, and if not tagged, and they enter, they are debilitated by their own "primitive implant"... and being that it is coursing through the blood stream, it is inseparable from the blood it self... if a violent one with a primitive tag enters civilized zones, there are none around that will not know it, as the sound and smell put off none will be able to miss... the world will forsake the need for violence that was only ever adopted as necessary by the violent them self. and conflagration of violence and needing to safeguard against it will never again be possible... smiles |
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Stoopid crap like that wouldn't happen up here. Population is mostly white. So I spose would be half the nation in flames, but not up here. What the hell are you saying??? It sounds like you are saying that white people don't do 'stupid crap like that'. Please, name the last time, besides during Vietnam, that white inner city people rioted, looted, committed arson, hit and run on pedestrians, in the US (as a racial group). I'll be waiting while you do the research. KKK is excluded from my discussion. They are not sane, they are retards. An occult. Course, I could go on about Black Panthers too then. This was a quote from Al about me on page 3. Ya, I'm talking to myself. Trolls, abound with twisting. Sorry, manipulative psychology doesn't work on me. |
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Please, go back and review, it was not I that brought the pedestal into the conversation. I but instilled that the pedestal would work good with a rope. It was your proclamation that because you didn't call Odumbo Odumbo that you didn't place him on a pedestal.
The earliest mention of "pedestal" I can find in the thread was a 12:23pm post, on page 5, by you saying: ""To place any person upon a pedestal, except for a loved one by one's own consent, and somehow imagine they are somehow superior is the mark of a statist, one that believes in slavery and needs a master."" Granted there have been edits, and also granted my memory is not perfect. |
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Stoopid crap like that wouldn't happen up here. Population is mostly white. So I spose would be half the nation in flames, but not up here. What the hell are you saying??? It sounds like you are saying that white people don't do 'stupid crap like that'. Please, name the last time, besides during Vietnam, that white inner city people rioted, looted, committed arson, hit and run on pedestrians, in the US (as a racial group). I'll be waiting while you do the research. KKK is excluded from my discussion. They are not sane, they are retards. An occult. Course, I could go on about Black Panthers too then. This was a quote from Al about me on page 3. Ya, I'm talking to myself. Trolls, abound with twisting. Sorry, manipulative psychology doesn't work on me. |
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Sorry, that is not what is being implied. The statement connotates that you are an alternate ego of myself and I am making both posts.
Something to do with your challenges to that person are along the same lines as mine. Yes, but somehow the fact that we are 'quoting the same things' appears to be part of the 'evidence', , as if the reader was unable to understand the simple fact that you and I were quoting each others statements to each other, and therefore 'quoting the same things'.
Yeah, that is the problem from anothers standpoint. Not just that we are quoting each other to respond but that in the macrocosm we are moving along the same avenues. It is but in the details that show the difference. But I appreciate your honor and would debate you any time. |
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Stoopid crap like that wouldn't happen up here. Population is mostly white. So I spose would be half the nation in flames, but not up here. What the hell are you saying??? It sounds like you are saying that white people don't do 'stupid crap like that'. Please, name the last time, besides during Vietnam, that white inner city people rioted, looted, committed arson, hit and run on pedestrians, in the US (as a racial group). I'll be waiting while you do the research. KKK is excluded from my discussion. They are not sane, they are retards. An occult. Course, I could go on about Black Panthers too then. This was a quote from Al about me on page 3. Ya, I'm talking to myself. Trolls, abound with twisting. Sorry, manipulative psychology doesn't work on me. |
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Ah... quite unaware one be... one has not been paying much attention if it does not know i have been voicing a one world constitution or world order for many years now, seeing that if we don't have one, forward progress will be impossible, not to mention a third world war impossible to avoid... without a world order the peoples shall continue to devolve further into the narcissistic sociopathic thinking that each it self should be the decider and dictator of what all other human words and behavior should be... Have you been doing all this over in Ferguson? Did you have hershey stripes in your dress? damn Al... my sincere respect and admiration of all your character traits, extending a true sincere welcome to a better way... and all you give back is a kindergarten grade joke... ferguson... where the dumb on both sides follow the fiddle that seeks but to find who is dumb and gullible to know how to rehabilitate them to a better logic. oh where is your faith in leadership. oh yea, i know, you are the wisest leader, i forgot. oopsie... but i know ya got better than that... the kkk can do whatever they want, just not lift a finger to harm another... and the thugs can do whatever they want, so long as they don't lift a finger to harm another... and whomever does, they will create their own extinction, so what is to worry about... words and thoughts are not illegal, just physical bodily harm to another... damn, won't it be great when the violent who can't control their bodily impulses are tasered by their own body implant... a truly non violent world... that is what the new world order actually stands for, but you would not know this since you have been snookered and swallowed the gazillions of megabits of propodata, intentionally fed to all to sea which fish can actually deduct beyond their five senses and what they are told. smiles Are you not aware of what post you are responding to? oh yes indeedee... totally! absoluteamondo! all the violence in Ferguson never need happen again... but then since some use it but for debate and entertainment, of course, these will want the same old same old to stay, just as it is. or what else would there be to make one self feel it self better with! damn... but hotdiggitydog thank god we have some people on earth who actually want to solve and change what creates less good for all, not just complain to prove how others are less intelligent than one self. |
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Sorry, that is not what is being implied. The statement connotates that you are an alternate ego of myself and I am making both posts.
Something to do with your challenges to that person are along the same lines as mine. Yes, but somehow the fact that we are 'quoting the same things' appears to be part of the 'evidence', , as if the reader was unable to understand the simple fact that you and I were quoting each others statements to each other, and therefore 'quoting the same things'.
TO? No. About. Same difference. Keep twisting. Keep talking to "self". lmfao. You really should cut back on the sugar. And you do know that with toothpaste, unlike protein, you should spit, not swallow? Or was it that flu shot? |
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