ok, I didn't put this in general because I specifically want some input from other Christians. Obviously we cant all know and understand everything about everything and even in our faith there may be some details that some of us understand better than others,,,

that being said


my topic of interest for Christians is regarding judgment

if

1. We will all be judged

and

2. we are not saved by our actions



what is it that will be judged?


I peraonally believe that people oversimplify when they say what we do wont matter as long as we believe in Christ. I believe to say it is not enough,, just like saying we love someone, without the ACTIONS that support it.


do you think how we live and what we do makes no difference as long as we have a genuine belief that Christ died for our sins? or is it more complex than that get out of hell free card suggests...?

As it appears that you don't understand me when I discuss theology, I will not make an attempt to answer. However, I will say that I am pleased to see you ask the question.

I do believe we will be judged. yes for our actions and what they represent. like if you give charity for example. are you giving whole heartedly or is it an empty gesture to impress others.

I think we will be judged on how we carry our faith. do we preach empty words that sound good or do we truly try to feel God in our hearts.

I also think that we will be judged by whether or not we repent from when we do wrong.
I had other thoughts but got distracted by other conversations going on around me.

lovely thoughts dreamer

makes perfect sense to me , a judgment on what actions represent,, more so than just judgment of actions,,,

We as christians must all appear before the judgement seat of christ.That is the bible.Once saved always saved isnt true."If a righteous man leaves the path of righteousness and continues in sin,all his righteousness shall not be remembered but his soul shall die because of iniquity" We are saved FROM sin and NOT in sin.Sin must be punished wherever its found.There is no sinning 'saint'."He that is born of God sinneth not" "He that continues in sin is doesnt know Him" So,actions,thoughts,motives,words,works,etc shall all be judged.And if you are found wanting,like the wicked servant,thou shalt be cast into utter darkness.God is not a joker.The real bible based undiluted gospel truth is always bitter and doesnt entertain the flesh and sin

I disagree. In Romans chapter 7, the Apostle Paul discusses his own problem with sin. He admits that he continued to sin in the flesh although his spirit wanted to do the opposite, and he was an Apostle a the time that he had this struggle.

In one of his epistles, Paul describes the time that he confronted the Apostle Peter when Peter sinned against Gentile believers.

Being saved by grace through faith means that we cannot undo our salvation by committing a sin that isn't the unforgivable sin.

Yes, we Christians continue to sin as long as we remain on this side of eternity. Trouble comes when we fool ourselves into thinking that we will never again sin. Such thinking causes us to overlook the sins that we commit.

So, when we stand before the Bema Seat, we will be judged according to whether or not we accepted the Messiah.

Pls,dont misunderstand what paul said nor use it as excuse for sin as that would be self delusional.He simply narrated his struggle against the flesh as a man under the law prior to his conversion.In vs 24,he recognized the need of deliverance from sin.Read from verse 1 to the end.You would notice the shout of victory against the law of sin and the end to his struggle in vs 25.Read also chapter 8."If you live according to the sinful nature,you will die...".Peter DIDNT "sin against the gentiles"He wanted to please the jews who came in and at same time please the gentiles which prompted paul to correct him.I DO NOT ARGUE with christians who have made up their mind on what to believe.The last days have produced easy and rosy "sinning saints" and liberal preachers who couldnt overcome the flesh and sin.so they concluded and teach others that they can be sinning and still expect to enter a spotless heaven.Heaven is for the triumphant church without spot or wrinkle nor any such things.Godspeed and peace to you

Pls,dont misunderstand what paul said nor use it as excuse for sin as that would be self delusional.He simply narrated his struggle against the flesh as a man under the law prior to his conversion.In vs 24,he recognized the need of deliverance from sin.Read from verse 1 to the end.You would notice the shout of victory against the law of sin and the end to his struggle in vs 25.Read also chapter 8."If you live according to the sinful nature,you will die...".Peter DIDNT "sin against the gentiles"He wanted to please the jews who came in and at same time please the gentiles which prompted paul to correct him.I DO NOT ARGUE with christians who have made up their mind on what to believe.The last days have produced easy and rosy "sinning saints" and liberal preachers who couldnt overcome the flesh and sin.so they concluded and teach others that they can be sinning and still expect to enter a spotless heaven.Heaven is for the triumphant church without spot or wrinkle nor any such things.Godspeed and peace to you

Can you see it already, MsH?

Jesus said, "by their fruit you shall no them." Scripture teaches that actions not of faith is sin. And James wrote, "faith without works is dead."

Of course our actions matter especially if we claim to believe in Christ.

And I agree with you. Love must be accompanied by attitudes and actions that support it. Paul taught that a husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. Jesus surely proved his love for the church, his bride, by going to the cross.

It is my belief that those who have a genuine belief in Christ will have actions to prove that. That is not to say Christians will be perfect. Paul makes that plain in Romans 7. There is a spiritual warfare that goes on in each one of us that have faith in Christ. And this might be the premise for those that believe it does not matter what we do as long as we have faith in Christ. But then, what does Paul say in Romans 8? Those who simply live in the flesh and do not walk in the Spirit care more about the things of the flesh. And, it seems that the flesh is selfish. In the flesh we care more about ourselves than we do of others which is contrary to the principles of love.

If one has faith in Christ will walk in that faith, and not in the flesh. And that is the judgment of Christ. So, yes, we have been, and will be judged by our actions. At the same time, we are not saved by our actions, but by the actions of Christ, as long as we have faith in Christ. And that faith in Christ will produce actions that are of faith.

I hope this helps.

Romans 7 was not about Paul before his conversion. Notice his statement in verse 24. "Wretched man that I am." He did not say wretched man that I was.

This is true. In Romans 7, Paul is talking about his current condition.

The shed blood of Jesus covers the sins that one commits before becoming a Christian and covers the sins that one commits after becoming a Christian.

That is not to say we should continue in sin.

There is a difference between deliberately pursuing a life without God and pursuing a life that is pleasing to God.

One doesn't care if one sins if one is doing the former.
If one is doing the latter, then one is making the proper pursuit even if one errors by committing a sin.

Of course Christians sin, because we are still in the flesh. And the flesh will pay for that sin by death. But in the Spirit of God there is no sin.