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au contraire in a free market, consumers are permitted to spend their dollars where they choose and those providing services and products are best served by listening to what their customer base is seeking so as to maintain current and create new consumers the university can be funded privately, through taxes, and tuition or any combination thereof meaning the students and the COMMUNITY are the consumers, and they all have the right to speak to the product they are purchasing,,, In a free market that may be true, but not in this adulterated, crony capitalist market where small business is destroyed by lobbyist impact to regulation causing failures which allow good and small business to be swallowed up by the conglomerates for pennies on the dollar, or forced to close all together under the burdens of those regulations. That's not competing, that's controlling! When people only have a choice of one or two options, that's not a free market, it's corruption at its finest! In that market place the seller doesn't need to care about what the people want, only what protections their lobbyist dollar buys. Common Core is not education, it's programming. In this case, demanding special privilege over others, who may or may not be worse off, using the color of your skin as a joker, is no better than the corporations who lobby regulation with profits they make at the expense of others their regulations have destroyed! plus it is doubtful that the students are doing any of the actual "purchasing" fro the most part. If their agenda was for the benefit of all students, I'd support Campus wide petitions brought to the Admin through normal student gov't channels |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570.
So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Wed 02/26/14 09:19 PM
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au contraire in a free market, consumers are permitted to spend their dollars where they choose and those providing services and products are best served by listening to what their customer base is seeking so as to maintain current and create new consumers the university can be funded privately, through taxes, and tuition or any combination thereof meaning the students and the COMMUNITY are the consumers, and they all have the right to speak to the product they are purchasing,,, In a free market that may be true, but not in this adulterated, crony capitalist market where small business is destroyed by lobbyist impact to regulation causing failures which allow good and small business to be swallowed up by the conglomerates for pennies on the dollar, or forced to close all together under the burdens of those regulations. That's not competing in a free market, that's controlling it! When people only have a choice of one or two options, that's not a free market, it's corruption at its finest! In that market place the seller doesn't need to care about what the people want, only what protections their lobbyist dollar buys. Common Core is not education, it's programming. In this case, demanding special privilege over others, who may or may not be worse off, using the color of your skin as a joker with the threat of unknown, possibly violent actions, is no better than the corporations who lobby regulation with profits they make at the expense of others their regulations have destroyed! plus it is doubtful that the students are doing any of the actual "purchasing" fro the most part. If their agenda was for the benefit of all students, I'd support Campus wide petitions brought to the Admin through normal student gov't channels That even I could agree with. We're all in this together, but these gimmes want more than they're willing to allow others for themselves, and also used veiled threats to get it! All the idiots who seek special privilege will keep us in the dark ages and get us nowhere A nation divide amongst itself can not stand...... welcome to Obozonomics 101, dreams from his father |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, |
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I have my graduate degree from UM. Reading over the demands, I can understand them. University of Michigan is a public university and definitely shows preferential treatment to high socio-economic students. It is a whole 'nother world on and around UM's campus. Tiny one bedroom apartments can be almost $2000 a month the closer you get on-campus. And, campus housing charges outrageous amount in rate. I (still do) live on the border of Ann Arbor and Ypsilanti where I could afford rent but still have my son attend Ann Arbor schools. And, since I didn't participate in all the socialite activities, where individuals were looking for their potential upper class spouse, I didn't get all the benefits from obtaining an education from there. The extra you pay at UM for a degree is only justified by the circles you run in. If you are excluded from those circles or just not invited, then UM's degree isn't worth the money. (No different from any other University - you are just paying for the name.) With all that said, you work hard - then you sometimes get something in return. I can't speak for other states, but the State of Michigan's race relations isn't the best. There tends to be a lot of institutional racism. Now, I can say that UM does (in some departments) do heavy recruiting to diversify it's student population - however, not everyone can afford it. I know I will be paying off student loans for forever from UM. this makes a difference... someone with actual knowledge... thank you tan |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. that's exactly right you CAN ask and they can negotiate, which is what they did so there really is not much to complain about, ,, |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. that's exactly right you CAN ask and they can negotiate, which is what they did so there really is not much to complain about, ,, If you want to air grievances go for it.. My point is that they are part of a fairly exclusive group that got accepted to this school. That in and of itself is a privilege that was not extended to thousands of other applicants. I don't know if there is a white or asian or hispanic student union. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get cheap housing. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get emergency scholarships. If other groups are getting these things and the black students aren't then I support their demands 100%.. |
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me too
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plus it is doubtful that the students are doing any of the actual "purchasing" fro the most part. If their agenda was for the benefit of all students, I'd support Campus wide petitions brought to the Admin through normal student gov't channels Wow isn't the first amendment great, a right not to be infringed, the right to petition the government for redress of grievances or... "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." And I would agree, where is this a redress of grievances? In looking at these "demands", they seem to focus on privileges to a certain class, not a redress. |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You mean what they can take because they have nothing. |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. that's exactly right you CAN ask and they can negotiate, which is what they did so there really is not much to complain about, ,, What negotiation? And under what authority? |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. that's exactly right you CAN ask and they can negotiate, which is what they did so there really is not much to complain about, ,, If you want to air grievances go for it.. My point is that they are part of a fairly exclusive group that got accepted to this school. That in and of itself is a privilege that was not extended to thousands of other applicants. I don't know if there is a white or asian or hispanic student union. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get cheap housing. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get emergency scholarships. If other groups are getting these things and the black students aren't then I support their demands 100%.. Those are quite a few ifs. If, MH, it's about race only, do you support it? |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. that's exactly right you CAN ask and they can negotiate, which is what they did so there really is not much to complain about, ,, If you want to air grievances go for it.. My point is that they are part of a fairly exclusive group that got accepted to this school. That in and of itself is a privilege that was not extended to thousands of other applicants. I don't know if there is a white or asian or hispanic student union. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get cheap housing. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get emergency scholarships. If other groups are getting these things and the black students aren't then I support their demands 100%.. Those are quite a few ifs. If, MH, it's about race only, do you support it? if WHATS about race only? if there are demands/policies/laws that gave a race a 'special' and 'unique' opportunity or privilege ,, I do not support them if there are demands/policies/laws that seek to give races 'equal' opportunities and privileges,, I do support them |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. that's exactly right you CAN ask and they can negotiate, which is what they did so there really is not much to complain about, ,, If you want to air grievances go for it.. My point is that they are part of a fairly exclusive group that got accepted to this school. That in and of itself is a privilege that was not extended to thousands of other applicants. I don't know if there is a white or asian or hispanic student union. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get cheap housing. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get emergency scholarships. If other groups are getting these things and the black students aren't then I support their demands 100%.. Those are quite a few ifs. If, MH, it's about race only, do you support it? if WHATS about race only? if there are demands/policies/laws that gave a race a 'special' and 'unique' opportunity or privilege ,, I do not support them if there are demands/policies/laws that seek to give races 'equal' opportunities and privileges,, I do support them So how do you tell? You seem to support these "special" demands and somehow twist them into equal? Where was equal? Have you seen the transcripts of the protestors? Did they get in because of a "minority" privilege? How are they paying the tuition? Did daddy put up? Did they have grades that earned a scholarship? Or did they get a minority privilege scholarship? I would dare state that in all probabilities, they got an entitlement for admission, they got an entitlement for part of the tuition and another entitlement for the student loan and feel they have a "right" to further entitlements. |
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According to their site in 2013 they had 46,813 applications for admission and only accepted 15,570. So I would say that if these students don't like what their money is buying then transfer and let someone else have to opportunity to attend the school. I say, people have the choice of leaving to find what suits them or staying to make what the have more suitable either way is acceptable to me citizens who don't like government can go live under another government, or they can stay and try to make their government more aligned with what they do want,,, but most wouldn't tell a citizen seeking changes to leave so someone else can have an opportunity in America,,, they are students with a right to voice concerns about their student experience,,, You can ask or demand for changes, but just as with the government the school is not obligated to make them. And obviously, people don't have to leave a country to allow someone else to enter. So that whole hypothetical is pretty irrelevant.. that's exactly right you CAN ask and they can negotiate, which is what they did so there really is not much to complain about, ,, If you want to air grievances go for it.. My point is that they are part of a fairly exclusive group that got accepted to this school. That in and of itself is a privilege that was not extended to thousands of other applicants. I don't know if there is a white or asian or hispanic student union. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get cheap housing. I don't know if whites asians or hispanics get emergency scholarships. If other groups are getting these things and the black students aren't then I support their demands 100%.. Those are quite a few ifs. If, MH, it's about race only, do you support it? if WHATS about race only? if there are demands/policies/laws that gave a race a 'special' and 'unique' opportunity or privilege ,, I do not support them if there are demands/policies/laws that seek to give races 'equal' opportunities and privileges,, I do support them supporting 'Theft By Law' then? |
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supporting 'Theft By Law' then? Law is never theft. But those statutes can be a real b.... |
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Equal opportunity means just that - OPPORTUNITY - it does not guarantee equal results. That is up to the individual.
Why don't the group's leaders demonstrate leadership and take the initiative to educate and assist their members in money management, applying for scholarships, student loans, securing part time employment, the school's historical racial disparity (not sure what purpose this serves), and the like? Why is the school responsible for any of this? I would find it difficult to believe that in this day and age anyone went to their student union to seek assistance and were refused because of their race. Furthermore, in addition to a general student union, nearly every school campus also maintains a separate black student union. This gives black students two unions from which to receive assistance and guidance. Equal opportunity means just that - OPPORTUNITY - it does not guarantee equal results. That is up to the individual. P.S. Moe - BSU = Black Student Union (not Boise State University) |
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I have my graduate degree from UM. Reading over the demands, I can understand them. University of Michigan is a public university and definitely shows preferential treatment to high socio-economic students. It is a whole 'nother world on and around UM's campus. Tiny one bedroom apartments can be almost $2000 a month the closer you get on-campus. And, campus housing charges outrageous amount in rate. I (still do) live on the border of Ann Arbor and Ypsilanti where I could afford rent but still have my son attend Ann Arbor schools. And, since I didn't participate in all the socialite activities, where individuals were looking for their potential upper class spouse, I didn't get all the benefits from obtaining an education from there. The extra you pay at UM for a degree is only justified by the circles you run in. If you are excluded from those circles or just not invited, then UM's degree isn't worth the money. (No different from any other University - you are just paying for the name.) With all that said, you work hard - then you sometimes get something in return. I can't speak for other states, but the State of Michigan's race relations isn't the best. There tends to be a lot of institutional racism. Now, I can say that UM does (in some departments) do heavy recruiting to diversify it's student population - however, not everyone can afford it. I know I will be paying off student loans for forever from UM. this makes a difference... someone with actual knowledge... thank you tan 
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Carter Woodson (Famous Black Educator and Author of The Mis-Education of the Negro) stated that unless Blacks advanced through merit, they'd remain with the mentality of Slaves; here are these Slave-Minded Black Students proving Mr. Woodson correct.
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