Topic: Evolution and Chili Peppers | |
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i would pay for fresh, though
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you still on about the peppers?????
humans eat these things because the body needs it, nature looking after itself, it's that simple. And it has nothing to do with evolution. |
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really chili peppers are symbolic of evolution in this argume
metaphorical well arent we SOFISTKATED lol |
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*argument
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Thanks for dinner Walker
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And so it ends. Eventually, the discussion always devolves into insults and one liners. No explainations as to why humans are so resistant to a toxin that had no previous exposure to.
"And it has nothing to do with evolution. " I agree completely. Nothing has anything to do with evolution. |
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you know lizard has a great point but my personal belief is that apple pie seems much more likely to have evolved from potatoes
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LOL Alanna....I think that is sweet potatoe pie...
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Well spider, it's certainly not because "GOD" made it so
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Maybe someday spiders will evolve into humans!
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Invisible,
"Well spider, it's certainly not because "GOD" made it so " Why, because you say so? That's actually accepted science. "Gravity doesn't work the way it should...it must be because of dark matter and dark energy, it certainly couldn't be God." You take it at faith that evolution is real, but what I have presented is a real problem in evolutionary terms. Why do humans have the ability to digest large quatities of capsaicin without suffering from toxicity? The only legitimate evolutionary answer would be "It was an accident that never effected us negatively, so it was never weeded out.", but it's still a weak answer and none of you who love evolution so much even thought of it. All the BS about land bridges and evolution are just silly and if you guys actually understand the theory of evolution, you guys would have known that. Evolution effects populations, so even if the people of South America evolved to eat capsaicin, that wouldn't have effected humans anywhere else in the world. Capsaicin is only available from chili peppers, which are native to the Americas. Every argument you guys (who love and know SOOOOOO much about evolution) made was absolutely silly and I would be ashamed to anwser a question about a belief I held so dear with such thoughtless and obviously uninformed answers. |
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How 'toxic' were chilis 2000 years ago?
What were the levels of capsaicin within chilis 200 years ago? 100 years ago? I suspect we can track them for the last 100 years...but hmmm...wonder if the chili's evolved into all the sub species right along with humans..and the enzymes were a 'modern' evolution, say over the last 500 years? |
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I think you are disrespecting our beliefs and at the same time expecting us to respect yours. I personally believe that there can be a god .....and evolution....maybe god set everything up to evolve the way it has. Maybe you should not try to force your beliefs on people by tricking them into thinking they are having an "interesting" conversation w/ another person and then ending it in such a rude higher-than-thou manner!
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Just to clarify....I don't know the answers to these questions....I suspect like most plants there has been an evolution of sorts...that natural mutation that happens in plants in different climates...
I am not being antagonistic, I sincerely do not know.. |
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Spider, these chillis have always been there, and humans have always eaten them. That has to do with nature, because in earlier times the human race was much more bound to nature. They knew by instinct what was good and what wasn't good.
And that has nothing to do with "GOD". |
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And don't tell me I don't know things because I'm blond and have blue eyes.
I just see things different, rather nature bound than church bound. |
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FreshMountainAir,
How nice of you to ignore the fact that you and others mocked my original post, when you couldn't answer the question. I didn't mention God, you guys did first. I asked a simple question, why would we evolve to digest capsaicin. If you guys believe in evolution, then you should have been able to give a decent answer, yes? But no, it was all non-scientific mumbo jumbo, which finally had to end with you guys mocking the premise of the question. I never ONCE mentioned God creating humans or chili peppers, but once you guys saw that the only logical answer was God, you had to mock the question instead of answering. If you guys don't want your beliefs disrespected, then maybe you should be respectful of others. |
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Invisible,
"And don't tell me I don't know things because I'm blond and have blue eyes. " I mentioned your nationality, because I'm getting a little sick of you calling people "Hitler" (as you called me) and Nazis (as you have called the Jews and others). If you don't like someone, state what you like about them, instead of accusing them of being what your ancestors probably WERE. |
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Jess642,
When Columbus arrived in the New World, some chilis were used by the natives to punish people. The guilty would be placed on a spit over a pit of crushed chilis for some crimes and others were punished by rubbing chilis on the eyes or genitals of the accused. I believe that capsaisin levels have increased in some cases, but chilis were hot when Columbus arrived. It's not a question of evolution in the past 500 years. It couldn't be since Columbus and his crew liked the chili peppers and they couldn't have evolved to be able to digest them. |
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Spider, your question has nothing to do with evolution, it’s that simple.
It’s simply wrong to believe that every enzyme has a specific target protein and that’s that. It’s just not that simple. The fact that the human body can handle the ‘toxins’ in chili pepper is totally irrelevant to evolution. Moreover, what are you suggesting here? That there must be a God that designed us ahead of time to be able to ingest chili peppers because he had a plan for us to eat them? Come on. What sense does that make? Your attempting to argue against evolution in favor of intelligent design, but there’s no real substance in your argument for why a god should give a hoot as to whether or not we can eat chili peppers. |
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