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Topic: Obama Threatens Congress, I Have a Pen
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 08:38 AM Edited by msharmony on Thu 01/16/14 08:40 AM
can ANY of those purporting his use of executive orders is like a 'dictator' provide one of these executive orders that would point to him being a 'dictator'? Im sure its becoming a clich� accusation without much merit that can be shown to back it up,,, I would gamble that any such EO under this president would not be something that was unique and would be comparible to an EO under the past several presidents,,, I mean, yeah, we can post over and over, he legislates with executive orders I could post over and over that Bush beat his wife ,,,but where is the meat of the argument? The examples that back up the claim?

MoonsDragonLionWolf Joined Wed 05/08/13 Posts: 818	Thu 01/16/14 10:48 AM
these are facts: PResidents do have pens,, Presidents to have phones It Is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign VETOS it is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign Executive Orders this is opinion: in a government with the most DO NOTHING congress in my lifetime,, whose members make public statements that their GOAL is to work at not moving along the country, but making sure to oppose the POTUS,, Im glad SOMEONE is talking about doing SOMETHING,,,,lol this is another opinion: speaking of 'the people' is the common vernacular used in every political discussion or discourse I have ever read,,,,its relevant in a political topic and nothing at all to do with narcissism It is not legal for any United States president to violate the seperation of powers by circumventing congress all together in order to force through their agendas that otherwise would not pass. Even with a divided congress. Unless there is an emergency situation that must be dealt with immediately, Executive Orders should not be used. that is a different debate the potus is head of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH,, also executive offices,,, different to pass laws over people, than to make determinations about how your office (s) will be run,,,, ""his/her duties include making sure the laws are faithfully executed,"" That last line is where Obama and his administration fails.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 10:59 AM
opinions we are all entitled,,,,

MoonsDragonLionWolf Joined Wed 05/08/13 Posts: 818	Thu 01/16/14 11:01 AM
opinions we are all entitled,,,, Facts are not opinions. Learn the difference.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 11:59 AM
opinions we are all entitled,,,, Facts are not opinions. Learn the difference. no facts provided here,, only opinions,,

MoonsDragonLionWolf Joined Wed 05/08/13 Posts: 818	Thu 01/16/14 12:41 PM
opinions we are all entitled,,,, Facts are not opinions. Learn the difference. no facts provided here,, only opinions,, You're very wrong.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 01/16/14 12:44 PM
I bet, he was censored. He was probably trying to say he has a pencil dik.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/16/14 12:45 PM
these are facts: PResidents do have pens,, Presidents to have phones It Is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign VETOS it is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign Executive Orders this is opinion: in a government with the most DO NOTHING congress in my lifetime,, whose members make public statements that their GOAL is to work at not moving along the country, but making sure to oppose the POTUS,, Im glad SOMEONE is talking about doing SOMETHING,,,,lol this is another opinion: speaking of 'the people' is the common vernacular used in every political discussion or discourse I have ever read,,,,its relevant in a political topic and nothing at all to do with narcissism It is not legal for any United States president to violate the seperation of powers by circumventing congress all together in order to force through their agendas that otherwise would not pass. Even with a divided congress. Unless there is an emergency situation that must be dealt with immediately, Executive Orders should not be used. that is a different debate the potus is head of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH,, also executive offices,,, different to pass laws over people, than to make determinations about how your office (s) will be run,,,, ""his/her duties include making sure the laws are faithfully executed,"" That last line is where Obama and his administration fails. Big Time!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 12:57 PM
opinions we are all entitled,,,, Facts are not opinions. Learn the difference. no facts provided here,, only opinions,, You're very wrong. lol,, another opinion (a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal)

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/16/14 12:57 PM Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 01/16/14 01:00 PM
can ANY of those purporting his use of executive orders is like a 'dictator' provide one of these executive orders that would point to him being a 'dictator'? Im sure its becoming a clich� accusation without much merit that can be shown to back it up,,, I would gamble that any such EO under this president would not be something that was unique and would be comparible to an EO under the past several presidents,,, I mean, yeah, we can post over and over, he legislates with executive orders I could post over and over that Bush beat his wife ,,,but where is the meat of the argument? The examples that back up the claim? Immigration for instance! http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/obama-i-can-use-executive-orders-to-take-action-in-2014/ He is full of the Brown Stuff,and it ain't no Chocolate! Poor Guy has gone completely off the Deep End,the Constitutional Scholar! Need to call Nurse Ratched for him!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 12:59 PM
seems immigration is going the same way as any other issue "Obama listed immigration reform as a priority for the year. He will need Congress to turn his goals on that issue into law." so what has that to do with being a 'dictator' or with executive orders?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/16/14 01:10 PM
opinions we are all entitled,,,, Funny,no Facts in your Universe!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 01:23 PM
opinions we are all entitled,,,, Funny,no Facts in your Universe! funny, just a continuation of opinions and insults ,,, no rebuttal that would be considered logical yet,,,

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/16/14 01:29 PM
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill Keep appeasing that little Narcissist sitting presently in the WH,pretending he is the POTUS!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 01:32 PM
a narcissist who has only overrode the HUNDREDS in congress twice in five years lol,, yeah o,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Thu 01/16/14 01:57 PM
seems immigration is going the same way as any other issue "Obama listed immigration reform as a priority for the year. He will need Congress to turn his goals on that issue into law." so what has that to do with being a 'dictator' or with executive orders? uhhhhh.... maybe because their are laws he wishes to ignore with a stroke of his pen..... as he does so many others? But you're right. No difference from any of his other illegal/unconstitutional acts.

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Thu 01/16/14 01:59 PM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 01/16/14 02:00 PM
a narcissist who has only overrode the HUNDREDS in congress twice in five years lol,, yeah o,,, Seems to me that once would be overstepping his powers Add 5 scandals, innumerable coverups, and then the lies.....

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 02:01 PM
seems immigration is going the same way as any other issue "Obama listed immigration reform as a priority for the year. He will need Congress to turn his goals on that issue into law." so what has that to do with being a 'dictator' or with executive orders? uhhhhh.... maybe because their are laws he wishes to ignore with a stroke of his pen..... as he does so many others? But you're right. No difference from any of his other illegal/unconstitutional acts. or any other president who has issued upward of 100 executive orders,, or been criticized so I guess we have managed to survive many dictators in our history,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/16/14 02:03 PM
a narcissist who has only overrode the HUNDREDS in congress twice in five years lol,, yeah o,,, Seems to me that once would be overstepping his powers Add 5 scandals, innumerable coverups, and then the lies..... again are these the criteria for dictator? scandal and ALLLEGED coverups and lies,,,,,? which president besides Carter, in the last forty years, has not been a 'dictator' by these criteria?

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Thu 01/16/14 02:04 PM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 01/16/14 02:06 PM
Do you prefer TRAITOR then? Op-Ed: Should Obama be tried for treason after his NSA speech on Friday? "TREACHERY 1: violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence : treason 2: an act of perfidy or treason " It is instructive that the oath of office required by the Constitution, before assuming office, makes no mention of defending the nation's borders, territories, or even people. The president is sworn to defend one thing and one thing only: " the Constitution of the United States" : "��I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.��" http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/politics/should-obama-be-tried-for-treason-after-his-nsa-speech-on-friday/article/366132#ixzz2qXOWA6xr