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Topic: Religion and incest
izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 12/22/13 01:06 PM
I am willing to bet that some people are going to read this and get really mad at me. But this is a pose a question based on a thought. It is not to say that I think everyone should be allowed to have sex with each other.

I was thinking about how incest is illegal for good reason. Inbreeding causes deformity and various other problems. But if you are a religious person and truly believe in the bible. Then you believe that all people came from two people. Adam and Eve. So that means that those two people had sex and had kids. Then their kids had sex and had more kids. And so and so on. Then came the flood that killed everyone except Noah and his family. So that means that everyone who is alive now should be direct descendants him and his family. So one way or the other everyone on the earth is the product of thousands of years of inbreeding because we are all related.

So if we are all related because we all came from Adam and Eve then why aren't there more deformities and numerous other problems that come from so many years of inbreeding?

I am not asking this to piss people off. But I am not afraid to raise some hairs to start a debate. So lets see where this goes.

no photo
Sun 12/22/13 01:19 PM
lol

The million dollar question !

rofl

This is where the blessing of sentience
Comes into play
I think you answered your own question Iz...
And that much of the bible or any other set of FAITH guidelines
Is far outdated and subject to revision...
:angel:
/....\
BIG "IFS"
pitchfork

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 12/22/13 01:21 PM
I kind of wonder how many religious people are reading this and thinking I am the anti-Christ. hahaha

oldhippie1952's photo
Sun 12/22/13 01:21 PM
People used to live for a thousand years...so all that inbreeding has shortened our life span.

no photo
Sun 12/22/13 02:59 PM
well i would want to say that was thinking outside the box..like raising question about religion and incest and the obvious question about inbreeding too.we all came from two people but then i would really hope to ask this question not to show my doubt in religion but to clarify if actually their were just two people....

soufiehere's photo
Sun 12/22/13 03:26 PM
They can trace all blue/hazel/green-eyed people
to one woman with the 'mutant' feature of blue eyes.

What is to say the way we exist, based on evolution,
is not just one long course of mutancies?

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 12/22/13 04:14 PM
Hippie I had that thought too at one point.


bimbim. I was raised in a very religious family and I have learned that people make religions. Religions do not make people. I do not have anything against religion. I think it is a good thing when people use it correctly and that is to better their own lives without persecuting others. This is not to express or give doubt in religion of any kind. I just figured with the thoughts I had that it would make for a possibly interesting conversation and it might be interesting to see what kind of responses I could get on this topic.

willing2's photo
Sun 12/22/13 04:51 PM
Incest isn't illegal in all countries.

Some believe, it's the obligation of the father to deflower his daughter.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 12/22/13 05:08 PM
There are people in the US and I
m sure in countries where it is illegal that have that same thought.

larsson71's photo
Sun 12/22/13 05:08 PM
Nope, we came from space! Look at the videos of the Annuki, thats on Youtube and Disclosetv?

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 12/22/13 07:26 PM

I am willing to bet that some people are going to read this and get really mad at me. But this is a pose a question based on a thought. It is not to say that I think everyone should be allowed to have sex with each other.

I was thinking about how incest is illegal for good reason. Inbreeding causes deformity and various other problems. But if you are a religious person and truly believe in the bible. Then you believe that all people came from two people. Adam and Eve. So that means that those two people had sex and had kids. Then their kids had sex and had more kids. And so and so on. Then came the flood that killed everyone except Noah and his family. So that means that everyone who is alive now should be direct descendants him and his family. So one way or the other everyone on the earth is the product of thousands of years of inbreeding because we are all related.

So if we are all related because we all came from Adam and Eve then why aren't there more deformities and numerous other problems that come from so many years of inbreeding?

I am not asking this to piss people off. But I am not afraid to raise some hairs to start a debate. So lets see where this goes.


It looks to me like you are addressing a false dilemma.

On one hand, the concept of incest refers to very-close familial sexual relationships, such as between a parent and child or between two siblings.

On the other hand, you are addressing sexual relationships between distant cousins or between very-very-distant cousins.

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 12/22/13 07:29 PM

Nope, we came from space! Look at the videos of the Annuki, thats on Youtube and Disclosetv?


huh The only people on planet Earth who are from outer space are us Melmacians.

larsson71's photo
Sun 12/22/13 07:56 PM


Nope, we came from space! Look at the videos of the Annuki, thats on Youtube and Disclosetv?


huh The only people on planet Earth who are from outer space are us Melmacians.
I disagree Dodo! Civilisations like the Egyptians, Aztecs, Incas, etc, all have references to Aliens. Who taught those people how to build the Pyramids, to such specific dimensions, that we still wonder how they did it to this day? It says in those videos that the Annuki, came to Earth and made us as a cross between early caveman and them They came looking for monatomic gold and it's health giving properties?

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 12/22/13 09:05 PM


I am willing to bet that some people are going to read this and get really mad at me. But this is a pose a question based on a thought. It is not to say that I think everyone should be allowed to have sex with each other.

I was thinking about how incest is illegal for good reason. Inbreeding causes deformity and various other problems. But if you are a religious person and truly believe in the bible. Then you believe that all people came from two people. Adam and Eve. So that means that those two people had sex and had kids. Then their kids had sex and had more kids. And so and so on. Then came the flood that killed everyone except Noah and his family. So that means that everyone who is alive now should be direct descendants him and his family. So one way or the other everyone on the earth is the product of thousands of years of inbreeding because we are all related.

So if we are all related because we all came from Adam and Eve then why aren't there more deformities and numerous other problems that come from so many years of inbreeding?

I am not asking this to piss people off. But I am not afraid to raise some hairs to start a debate. So lets see where this goes.


It looks to me like you are addressing a false dilemma.

On one hand, the concept of incest refers to very-close familial sexual relationships, such as between a parent and child or between two siblings.

On the other hand, you are addressing sexual relationships between distant cousins or between very-very-distant cousins.


What I am addressing is what any Christian believes in. All the people came from Adam and Eve. No one else. So based on that everyone is related and we are all, regardless as to where we come from, committing incest when having sex. I don't really think this is true. But when you think of that little fact-let that according to the bible we all come from two people. That we should probably by now be cancer covered retarded mutants from hell. But obviously we aren't mutants. So I would kind of like to know how a religious person would explain that. I should say a religious person who believes in the bible.

I've also heard there are people who think the Earth has only been around for 2000 years. So I guess they think that Jesus created the Earth.

PacificStar48's photo
Sun 12/22/13 09:47 PM
Edited by PacificStar48 on Sun 12/22/13 09:55 PM
My Grandfather's Native tribe believed that small tribes of people, animal's, and even plants were infused with Life from beyond this world to keep the life codes strong because he was taught that as part of his oral history. They thought that the white buffalo was a gift and the cotton wood fluff return some of that code as it floated around like bees do lifting even passed family members that were wrapped and left to dehydrate in the tops of the cotton woods. He believed that the reason he was one of the tallest men to walk the Kaw Valley was that his ancestors were gifted with height from out of the world. Just as did a small race of white skinned persons that existed in Japan. The tribes of the world sometimes were supposedly skipped like stones on the water and in the air which some suggest were extraterrestrial transfers. Because the BIA schools forbid talking about native religion and speaking a native language was seen as being possessed by demons it would get you punished. As did speaking native languages in jails or prisons which were often the over applied punishment to anyone who ran competition to non-natives for jobs such as cowboying or breaking horses. Sorry I digressed but the point was that just because the bible speaks of only the children of Adam and Eve or later Noah that may not been the only people on earth. Several places in the Bible are references of things and Angels from the heavens. Probably want to keep in Mind most of us only study the Kings James Version of the Bible and that was an "edited" edition.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 12/22/13 10:52 PM
Interesting. No need to be sorry. It's more about a thought I had and not a belief. I'm surprised no one has started a heated argument on this thread yet though. Perhaps those who get that upset aren't responding. Maybe it will brew in their heads until they feel a need to respond.

no photo
Tue 12/24/13 08:36 AM
Edited by Medic420 on Tue 12/24/13 09:20 AM
Hey izzy great thread dude it's good to get people thinking . As you said I think religions can be a good tool if they're not used for profit and gain then again all the these so good qualities you can see through out religions don't necessarily need to be taught nor preached. These things are internal. All religions contradict themselves all wars start from religions it's a joke.

I've read there were some early Christian sects which practised public nudity, shared wives, incest and child sacrifice. ... from eating the sacred mushroom, Amanita muscaria... I feel there's nothing wrong with psychedelics if respected and used properly they can in a majority of cases help people with a wide range of benefits. If you haven't heard check out the stoned ape theory.

I've never read the bible myself though I've heard there was no mention of dinosaurs? Can a Christian explain this to me I cant work it out sorry I just don't have that faith haha.

We got to stop this religious **** world wide and team up and fight for the bigger problems, Like fixing our planet before we **** it up that much we have to terra form on some other planet. Whether or not that's too late we should have a better attitude than we do today. Hey I'm guilty as much as everyone it's a global crisis then again we can always be wiped out by a comet/asteroid then what start from scratch because all of our history and data is digital so we might want to do something if we want to preserve any evidence of mankind.


msharmony's photo
Tue 12/24/13 09:04 AM

Interesting. No need to be sorry. It's more about a thought I had and not a belief. I'm surprised no one has started a heated argument on this thread yet though. Perhaps those who get that upset aren't responding. Maybe it will brew in their heads until they feel a need to respond.


there is nothing here to be upset about, I think there is just a misplacement of logic when people think of deformities

deformities can be passed down genetically , so if both parents have the same deformity or recessive gene, it increases the odds of the deformity being passed down

that is true whether the parents are related or not, but obviously if two people are sharing the same genes(from the same immediate bloodline) the more often they are to pass down that gene

as incest is so taboo, I don't know if there is any indication or idea how often incestuous relationships ACTUALLY End with deformity,, only how much more ?LIKELY THey are to end in deformity

I do believe we all came from the same two people, but as we spread out over the earth and throughout the adaptation to all the different enviromnents, some developed those recessive genes and others didn't, and the further apart the physical relation, the higher the chance that that recessive gene wouldn't resurface


,,its not amazing to me at all, really,, and IM sure once science begins to study just how often incest leads to deformity , rather than just comparing how much more likely it is to happen

incest will become not as taboo,, as long as the parties are consenting adults,,,

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 12/24/13 09:55 AM

People used to live for a thousand years...so all that inbreeding has shortened our life span.


Thousand years? The earth is only 3000 years, I think you meant hundreds.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Tue 12/24/13 09:57 AM
Edited by izzyphoto1977 on Tue 12/24/13 10:01 AM


Interesting. No need to be sorry. It's more about a thought I had and not a belief. I'm surprised no one has started a heated argument on this thread yet though. Perhaps those who get that upset aren't responding. Maybe it will brew in their heads until they feel a need to respond.


there is nothing here to be upset about, I think there is just a misplacement of logic when people think of deformities

deformities can be passed down genetically , so if both parents have the same deformity or recessive gene, it increases the odds of the deformity being passed down

that is true whether the parents are related or not, but obviously if two people are sharing the same genes(from the same immediate bloodline) the more often they are to pass down that gene

as incest is so taboo, I don't know if there is any indication or idea how often incestuous relationships ACTUALLY End with deformity,, only how much more ?LIKELY THey are to end in deformity

I do believe we all came from the same two people, but as we spread out over the earth and throughout the adaptation to all the different enviromnents, some developed those recessive genes and others didn't, and the further apart the physical relation, the higher the chance that that recessive gene wouldn't resurface


,,its not amazing to me at all, really,, and IM sure once science begins to study just how often incest leads to deformity , rather than just comparing how much more likely it is to happen

incest will become not as taboo,, as long as the parties are consenting adults,,,


Maybe they have done those studies and that's why they complain so much about it. They're all upset they can't have sex with their siblings without risking having a baby with three legs and a tail. lol

By the way. The reason I expect some people to get mad is they would think I am trying to attack religion or make fun of it.

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