So because it doesn't effect you at the moment you don't care how it effects others...at the moment?

Illegals were never part of the equation, or my argument. However, being exempt has never kept them from playing or using the system or voting in the past. They are called "illegals" for a reason!

The facts are that many who had insurance that worked for them are now being forced into policies with coverage they don't want or need. Deductables and premiums are both rising as a result, and in the failing economy with most Americans living hand to mouth, even the slightest rise in an expense might mean less food on the table or the ability to cover other routine maintenance emergencies that arise in their daily lives without going still further into debt.

For most young people (the ones they are counting on to pay for this), the rising deductables exceed the amounts of their yearly healthcare needs. Add the premiums and it's not a feasible solution.

Without their enrollment into the program costs will rise to unbelievable amounts for those who do enroll.

It's an iceberg, and the tip has not even been fully exposed yet and people are already suffering under it.

Try thinking about others....actually caring.... rather than sacrificing them because at present you are not effected by the implementation of bad policy..... you reap what you sew, and planting bad seed to produce or profit from, what you don't eat, is a spiteful act

Just proves one size does not fit all, no matter what gov thinks. And they know it doesn't, otherwise they would not exclude unions and themselves and their employees, to name a few.

The Obama apology (lame that it was) came one day after meeting with about fifteen Democratic Senators who are afraid Obamacare is going to cost them the next election. I suspect that they will decide that it wasn't enough and there will now be movement towards a big delay.

Apologies are mere words without actions to back them up, and inaction to failed leadership and bad policy is the forte' of this administration!

I do believe the Democratic Senators are learning that lesson.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/07/the-white-house-negotiations-with-unions-over-obamacare-you-may-not-have-heard-of/

The White House Negotiations With Unions Over Obamacare You May Not Have Heard Of

The Obama administration is poised to give some labor unions a break from costly fees under the Affordable Care Act, a move that some say is calculated to placate a key White House ally.

In regulations published last week, the administration said it intends to propose rules that would exempt certain self-insured, self-administered plans from the requirement to pay the fees in 2015 and 2016. Health care experts say that could apply to some union-sponsored health plans, though it's unclear how many.

Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch, ranking member on the Senate Finance Committee, said he is suspicious of the administration's motives.

It certainly looks like the Obama administration is looking at a special deal for unions, which is deeply concerning given the problems that all Americans are facing due to Obamacare, Hatch said.

But in a conference call with reporters, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said the language does not single out the so-called union Taft-Hartley plans for special treatment.

It applies to self-administered funds, whether they are Taft-Hartley or not, Trumka said. We are still reviewing all of that, and we continue to try to make positive changes to the act.

Gretchen Young, senior vice president for health policy at the ERISA Industry Committee, a group that represents large employers on benefits issues, said it would be very unfair to single out one group of employers who are contributing money and not let everybody out of it.

All self-funded plans are in the same position of having to pay this three-year fee but getting no direct benefit in return, Young said.

She said hardly any employers in her group, which includes the nation's largest corporations, would benefit under the administration�'s language.

Fox News host Megyn Kelly discussed the proposed rules Wednesday with the Center for Union Facts J. Justin Wilson, who said it could exempt unions up to $600 million in Obamacare-related fees.

President Barack Obama is buying their silence with a $600 million dollar payback, he said.......................

Typical Demoncrap campaigning.....Chicago style!

If the people want a voice it will maybe, possibly, be scripted to us, thru the media..... if granted at all

Gays are only 1% of the population so why should we give them the same rights to marry?



Crap to whom?
Do you have proof of your accusation?

Said jackass said, "You can keep your plan. "

And, stupid liberals continue to defend the POS.

MILWAUKEE - Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson is reacting to President Obama's apology for people's health insurance being canceled. The president told NBC News he's sorry Americans are losing health insurance plans he said they could keep.

Johnson told 620 WTMJ's Charlie Sykes that President Obama stopped short in his apology of saying he was sorry for making promises about people keeping their policies in the first place.

"It certainly wasn't an apology. When I heard it, the analogy I was thinking of was, you tell somebody, 'Boy, I'm really sorry your dog died,' but you refuse to acknowledge you ran over that dog with your car," Johnson said. "Those are your tire tracks on that dog."

The senator continued by saying President Obama needs to accept responsibility for the problems with the implementation of the law.

"There is no accepting of responsibility," Johnson continued. "There is sure some empathy for people in a tough situation, but again they're in a tough situation because if Obamacare, because he told falsehoods."

It's not that I don't care about other people. I have many friends and family members who will use Obamacare. The ones with pre-existing conditions are pretty happy about that. Most of them agree that a single-payer plan makes far more sense, but the ACA is a good first step.

Mandating everybody carry their own insurance might be a tough proposition, but health care is universally important, and letting society carry the risk of your inability to pay for cancer treatment or a traumatic accident is not being a good citizen. For the people who cannot pay (the ones you mention living hand-to-mouth) will likely be eligible for government subsidies. One of my sisters, for example, will only be paying about $100/month for her insurance after subsidies, and that's for her and her whole family (husband, 3 kids). Many people will like it, the alternative--going back to letting insurers drop customers at will, or denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions is just stupid.

Now, you said that illegals don't factor into your calculations, so tell me who are those tens of millions of people who won't be eligible for insurance under Obamacare?

Lastly, I agree that there will be more to come, but much of it will be positive. Especially the number of people going bankrupt each year from medical bills, or the number of people who die each year, as a result of having no insurance.

tens of thousands die prematurely each year due to lack of health coverage

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/i-was-for-obamacare-until-i-found-out-i-was-paying-for-it-t12012.html

We both know he doesn't mean it.