employing a causal outlook, it has been the attempt by women to husband men by having him believe he's stronger thus should be the provider that has given man real power. the battle for recognition(female lib.) should have been fought right at the beginning just as the amazons did. truly the females of old knew their place; enjoy protection and eat the ****, but the modern woman thinks she's smart; wants equality yet is unwilling to relinquish protection, just as esau failed to realise that eating "the porridge" loses him the "birthright". it is therefore expedient if we wish to avoid error to consider it in our calculations that actions must have consequences is a pillar of nature.

I guess my question to you is do you want women to go back to those days where we let men bring all the money home and you are the bread winner? I think it hurts a mans pride knowing that some women are smarter then the men and that they make more money then the men do.
I often wonder if men want the women to stay home and not get an education and a better job so they can keep women under their thumb. It does not work that way..after all this is 2013. This is a woman's world and women are just as smart as men. Sometimes we make more money then men and I don't see anything wrong with that.
I think what men have to understand is that we do it for our family. We get a better education to get a better job so we can support our family the best we can. What happens IF our man decides to leave us and we have no education and no job? That is exactly what the men wanted back in the day...they wanted women to depend on them. That is not how it is in today's society. Women have to make a life for themselves just in case they are alone and have to support their children on their own.
I know I did a semester of writing papers on this. It was about how men of different races tried to control their women. They would not let them go to school or work, they mostly liked to keep them barefoot and pregnant. If their men left them, they would usually move in with their families. Who would want to do that? That is why I always push education with my children..get your education so you do NOT have to depend on anyone to help you pay the bills. YOU make sure you can make your own living with out anyone there to help you!!
OK ENOUGH OF MY RANT ON THIS SUBJECT!!

I'm a single mom and I work hard to provide for my kids my home . And their needs and I thank my parents for pushing me to further my education after high school because I never thought I would be single and thank God I had my education to fall back on ........so well said unsure

I knew I'll be drawing heavy flak making this statement,
but let me assure you that I'm not in support of subjugation of women folk,
quite the contrary. My view stems from a sociological outlook into the matter,
and I fervently hope I'm not referred to as a hopeless realist for nothing,
because I believe I see things as they exist in nature. where I come from(Nigeria),
it is expected that a woman remain subservient to her man even if the said Dude is a complete fool(one of the greatest injustices I've identified). A learned lady I once dated asked me if I would mind her earning more than I
in a marriage, and I honestly replied that I do not in as much as it doesn't necessary compel her misbehavior. The said lady actually went as far as implying that
I would not in her reckoning be a real man. I was stumped, because she actually someone I deem to be a take charge kind of person. This should give you an idea of where I'm coming from on this issue. Conclusively, I believe for men to totally accept women their conception of societal position and role, women must be willing to accept more responsibilities. I realize there's a milder version of this situation
in you world; where it is not out of the ordinary for a lady to
willingly pick up the bill incurred by a couple on a date, whereby in my world it'll be a rarity, even though I know that more socially advanced and tolerant societies as your's still have a lingering practice of women who live on the whim of men if I'm not mistaken.

It's not about believing something to be true, i.e. men to be stronger, but about facts: men in general ARE stronger.
Another fact: even in this day and age, men often get higher pay than women in the exact same job/function. Even goes for teens that work in supermarkets: on average the boys make more per hour than the girls!
So in that sense it's probable that a man can bring home more money and is able to support a family better than a woman.
Furthermore it could be that men often (so not necessarily always the case) are more driven to have a career. I think primal instincts are often still at play and in that sense men are more competitive, striving to be better, stronger, excel and so on, than women.
Oftentimes when women work, they still get to do the biggest chunk of the household as well. (I don't know the actual percentage, but it is a proven fact that men don't pull their weight at home even when both partners work). Reason why so many women end up getting a burnout.

Men and women are different, physically, mentally, emotionally and so on. There's nothing wrong with that either, things are the way they are. What matters is that both sexes respect the other sex and embrace the differences instead of using them against the other.

"know our place?"

Hmmm..if my grand ma was here...ohhh would she have a thing or two to say!!

No such thing as "gender". Females were once males in the wombs. Once the penis falls off, its female. Quit this sexist ****.

Don't think you paid much attention during biology class,

I didn't. Wasn't my area of study. The point I'm making is, who the **** cares. Be happy. The 18th Amendment remains, yet women STILL complain all day. :/

No idea what your 18th amendment means, to me nothing, lol

with action comes consequence

with privilege responsibility

two lessons that are hard to accept even in adulthood....


I agree, although ur terminology leaves much to be desired,, modern woman IS smart but in the womens liberation struggle I think the goal turned into more of being the SAME as men, then being 'equal' to men ,, and there is a difference

without the woman, no life comes into the world,
without the woman, there is no nurturing of children while the provider is absent

I strongly believe that , in a family context especially, men and women both have natural ROLES that they were designed to best fulfill

but they are first children who have to have those traits nourished and built up,, and many have not ,,because of the 'me' culture that instead molds towards 'personal happiness' instead of communal responsibility, family responsibility, or personal responsibility

both men and women suffer each other due to the philosophical culture that we should do whatever makes us 'happy' short of killing and thieving,,

so we have, not surprisingly, bread men who are growing up to expect someone to provide for them, or just as bad, men who feel their ONLY obligation is to hold a job with no expectation to protect or cherish their families,,,

and we have bread women who are growing up to feel not the least bit inclined to keep their home clean or nurture their kids, or just as bad, those who feel that they can just work and therefore have no other responsibility in the home or in their relationship

I could write a whole page on how important 'roles' are within a family and a community , but basically, yeah,, I do often wish we had done more as women to focus on getting people to see and cherish the roles we already had as being as important as a mans role,, instead of trying to fulfill the mans role to prove that we were as important,,,

Additionally, in many cases it takes two incomes to have a decent style of living and just one paycheck proved insufficient around 1970 as women entered the work force in more professional capacity. Given the divorce rate at 50% its foolish for a woman to expect a man to provide for her and if she takes up this offer she puts herself in a vulnerable position unless she has her own education and employment. Better to have two educated, employed people before marriage or eventual children...

A successful,independant woman, knows how to provide for herself. She does not have to depend on any Man only on God and her own skills.

two paychecks doesn't have to mean two people working, as long as someone is at home,, there is nothing stopping the other from bringing in two paychecks themselves

it is BEST for individiuals to have an education, employment is not a guarantee throughout life however, and in the case that one loses a job, that's why two parents is a better foundation for a child

BECAUSE one can be home with those children and the other can FOCUS on the employment needed to provide,,,,

I agree, adults should be CAPABLE< regardless of gender of taking care of themselves, that is what adulthood is

but when marriage and children enter the picture, there is an advantage to family roles and obligations to make the unit work smoothly,,,

I was married several years with children and my husband had a good job to provide for Us. I agree there are family roles and that worked for Us. However, when we were divorced, I was perfectly capable too earn a living myself as single with children.

Often times, women do not know what to do, after a divorce and are stuck with raising children alone with little income. I thank God he lead me how to provide and gain good employment!

Can someone please translate the above-quoted statement into plain English?

Two things...

First off ....these women got no idea who Esau is.

Finally...thinking that you are gonna tell women how it is and what they should think.....will only make the goal of finding a lover here...well...something that just ain't gonna happen.

These women come from all across the world...with many different standards...many of which have zero respect for African male ideologies of male dominance /female inferiority.

My sister would beat the living hell out of any man who is dumb enough to tell her what to believe....or how to act.

On this site...men and women are equals.

Not every woman is dumb.
Not every man is smart.

If this is a concept that you cant comprehend...you may have difficulty finding a woman here.

I can't fault your contribution Crystalfairy. Balanced, if I may say so.
Looking at the issue from a Religious point of view, I'll say God must have had certain roles in mind when creating Man and Woman; otherwise I'll be quite incongruous and unfair if with the gulf between the physical characteristics of the two sexes, they are actually made to tackle uniform roles.
If we were to examine the premise that human beings must procreate, and the man must either through sexual intercourse or artificial insemination must provide the sperm,
then the woman is at a distinct disadvantage having to carry pregnancy for nine months. I think we should actually start advocating for maternity allowance for women
both at home and at work.

Who said we must procreate?

We got plenty of people.

Back on topic...gender equality...

Tell us Spackob....how are women equals to you?