In some of these threads, there has been put forth this idea there is Institutional Racism against black Americans.

More specifically, in regards to Police, the Judicial system, prisons etc.

They claim, and want you to believe that blacks are arrested more then white people.
They claim, and want you to believe there are more blacks then whites in prison.
Lastly, they want you to believe that more blacks are put to death then white people.

Taking on the first myth, according to The FBI�s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR), Nationwide, law enforcement made an estimated 12,408,899 arrests in 2011. Of these arrests, 534,704 were for violent crimes, and 1,639,883 were for property crimes. (Note: the UCR Program does not collect data on citations for traffic violations.)

Of all these arrests 69.2 percent of all persons arrested were white, 28.4 percent were black, and the remaining 2.4 percent were of other races.

The second myth that there are more blacks in prison then whites.
According to the Dept of Justice the prison population is as follows:
Inmate Population
Total population: 218,952
Total sentenced population: 200,744
Inmates in BOP facilities: 176,423
Inmates in privately-managed secure facilities1: 29,427
Inmates in other contract facilities2: 13,102

1 Includes inmates housed in privately-managed secure facilities under contract with the BOP or with a state or local government that has an Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) with the BOP.
2 Includes inmates housed in community corrections centers, home confinement, jail/short-term detention, contract juveniles, and long-term boarders.

Out of this Population whites outnumber blacks almost 2 to 1.
White: 130,346 (59.5 %)
Black: 81,196 (37.1 %)
Native American: 3,988 (1.8 %)
Asian: 3,422 (1.6 %)

Lastly we have the myth that more blacks are executed then whites.
Since 1976 there have been 1226 executions in the United States.
The majority of those executed are white.

Race of Defendants Executed
White 56 %
Black 35 %
Hispanic 7 %
Other 2 %

The way these numbers tell the story, if there is institutional racism in this part of society, it looks like it goes against white people.

If your really into cool tables of data here are some links.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/persons-arrested
http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#2
http://www.statisticbrain.com/death-penalty-statistics/

*hmmm awfully quite in here*

Where are all the liberals now? The ones that promote these myths and lies everyday.

Have they choked on their own false narrative?

You would think at least one would try to spin the data, or faced with facts do what every good liberal does, change the subject.

No, not even a word, the silence says so much!

I guess the old saying goes here
"and the truth shall set you free!"

don't worry,the obfuscations are in the making as we speak!

Yes I'm sure they are sifting through Progressive websites looking for false figures to prove otherwise

Did you guys mean obfuscations as in people who obfuscate the truth?....Shame on you!....

I am an Independent who leans left or right depending on the issue....I am an Independent who leans left or right depending on the issue...I am an, never mind, twice is probably enough...

Everybody knows numbers don't lie....Speaking of numbers, don't you think it's only fair to include percentage of population in your findings Red?......Make it easy on yourself, just re-calculate the numbers for blacks and whites....Whites make up 73% of total population, blacks a whopping 13%....

If you look into the data from the FBI, the arrest stats are not "people arrested" rather "arrests made". If someone is arrested more than one time a year(lets say for theft or drugs)it would raise that racial stat. Since blacks have a higher recidivism rate(43.6% for blacks and 24.2% for white), that raises the percentage of arrests, not necessarily the number of persons arrested. Accounting for this would lower the actual percentage shown of blacks being arrested and raise the percentage of whites.

I call obfuscation...

When did you start drinking kool-aide?

Cutting off my index finger would have been less painful

I thought your numbers looked low??....I did a quick check on DOJ statistic website and found this:

The U.S. prison population declined for the third consecutive year in 2012, from a high of 1,615,487 inmates in 2009 to 1,571,013 at yearend 2012.
The U.S. imprisoned 27,770 fewer prisoners (down 1.7%) at yearend 2012 than at yearend 2011.
The federal prison population increased by 1,453 prisoners in 2012 (up 0.7%), while the state prison population declined by 29,223 prisoners (down 2.1%).

Just a quick look.....

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4737

On taking a second look....looks like your prison population numbers are just for Federal Prisons?

This PDF link has a lot more data/statistics:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p11.pdf

hmm..you might be right. Got it from the FOB which is part of Justice Department and said it included jails(which usually aren't federal)so I'm not sure what the discrepancy is? Not sure if prison population would change much in demographics though. But the FBI on arrests I know is nationwide not just federal.

Check out the previous post....I made an edit and included a new link. It's an interesting report....

Very interesting, seems to support the fact that more blacks live in urban and high crime areas and have a much higher recidivism rate causing a higher percentage of jail population in relation to actual population.

arrests made, convictions upheld, and population incarcerated

are three different statistical dynamics

not everyone arrested ends up convicted or in jail

not everyone in jail was convicted in the same statistical time frame,,,


figures don't lie,, but they can be irrelevant to a point,,,

better examples of what is referred to as 'institutional racism':

Fact: Black youths arrested for drug possession are 48 times more likely to wind up in prison than white youths arrested for the same crime under the same circumstances.

Source: �Young White Offenders get lighter treatment,� 2000. The Tennessean. April 26: 8A.

Fact: Black and Latino men are three times more likely than white men to be stopped by the police and have their cars searched � even though white men are four times more likely to have weapons or drugs.

Source: Matthew R. Durose, Erica L. Schmitt and Patrick A. Langan, Contacts Between Police and the Public: Findings from the 2002 National Survey. U.S. Department of Justice, (Bureau of Justice Statistics), April 2005.

Fact: White men with a criminal record are more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men with no record, even when their education and experience are the same.

Source: Pager, Devah. 2003. �The Mark of a Criminal Record.� American Journal of Sociology. Volume 108: 5, March: 937-75.

Fact: Students of colour are far less likely to be put in honours courses even after you take test scores and grades into account.

Source: Gordon, Rebecca. 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Fischer, Claude S. et al., 1996. Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press: 163; Steinhorn, Leonard and Barabara Diggs-Brown, 1999. By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race. NY: Dutton: 95-6.

Fact: Students of colour are more than twice as likely to be suspended or expelled from school even though they are not much more likely to break school rules than whites.

Source: Skiba, Russell J. et al., The Color of Discipline: Sources of Racial and Gender Disproportionality in School Punishment. Indiana Education Policy Center, Policy Research Report SRS1, June 2000; U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System: Youth 2003, Online Comprehensive Results, 2004.




white men with a criminal record are slightly more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men without one, even when the men are equally qualified, and present themselves to potential employers in an identical fashion

http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc232i.pdf



according to the Justice Department, Black and Latino males are three times more likely than white males to have their vehicles stopped and searched by police, even though white males are over four times more likely to have illegal contraband

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp02.pdf


..just a few examples of the things referred to when people speak of
institutional racism

I agree MH (one of the few times ) some can be irrelevant, and yet some can be very relevant. But looking at the majority of data and evidence I think it's clear there seems to be little or not institutional racism in the criminal system
.
If we take some of the cities with the highest crime rates like Camden,NJ(the highest in country 2 years running). The population is
16.84% white,53.35% black.
Washington DC,28% White,60% black.
Detroit, 11% white 82% black.
Atlanta 31% white, 61% black.
Oakland 24% white, 36% black.

It's a no-brainer to say blacks will be arrested and/or incarcerated
at a higher percentage then whites. This is in no way institutional racism, just high crime rates and demographics.

I'm not going to argue with your supposed "facts" from shady authors or liberal publications.
Anyone can find "facts" such as these.
So here is a FACT listed on the only govt publication you use..

� On a per capita basis in 2002, the rate
of police-resident contact for whites was
about 15% higher than for blacks and
about 26% higher than for Hispanics.
The rate of contact for males was
about 20% higher than for females.

Also from your page:

Bureau of Justice Statistics
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Contacts between Police
and the Public
Findings from the 2002 National Survey
In 2002

21% of surveyed residents had a contact with police
40% of contacts were in traffic stops
26% of contacts were to report a crime or problem
1.5% of contacts involved police use of force
9% of white drivers were stopped
9% of black drivers were stopped
9% of Hispanic drivers were stopped
84% of drivers considered stop legitimate

So we can go round and round and still end up with conflicting data.

it is institutional if wealth and poverty correlate to incarceration, which they have been shown time and again to do

and the wealth in this country has been largely ACCUMULATED due to the institutional racist/separatist policies of this country over its first few hundred years of inception/founding/maintenance

poverty rates:
Camden nj 11%
wash dc 18%
Detroit mi 36.2%
Atlanta ga 19.1
Oakland ca 19.6

a 'survey',,? questionable

how you get the EXACT same percentage for every race stopped is also questionable and shouldn't be figured by surveying people but by actually LOOKING AT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FIGURES THEMSELVES,,