Wouldn't Plato say that if you're a bad tyrant, you will be so unwillingly...but if you're a good one, it will have been with purpose?

Sounds a bit like card stacking to me.

too funny!!!

I purposely used the word "give". Isn't to give indicative of willingness?

It pains me to see so many jump to this kind of conclusion...as we weigh everything on the scales of experience. Have women really become such oppressors of men these days?

Tragic comedy?

No because I'm not willingly giving away anything just because you have problems with me having something and you not liking it.
There are women who try to oppress and suppress men and others who don't.
No differently than men.

yes it is tragic comedy! It's so absurd, it's hilarious!

Cindi and all,
So we fall for a man and can't live without him! Then the fog clears and we try to... change him?
(Not everyone and not always... I'm just sayin'!)

I see so many couples especially the young ones (20's, 30's and even 40's) ((again, NOT all)) that are newly together, that HAVE to do EVERYTHING together! It's like a cardinal sin if they are separated!
Doesn't that just take away from their individuality?

We fell in love for the differences between us and then we try to... be the same?
I don't get it! Maybe it's just me!

I get that we would, of course, do several things together.
But should we not also do our separate things or do our things separately as well and this would enhance our lives?

I know I'm probably not saying this correctly but someone will "get me" and jump in and clarify!!!

Thank you. I love it when someone just "gets me"!!!

Asking a guy to give up these kind of things he already had would be incredibly selfish of me.

Now, if we were living together and he decided to take over an entire room as a "man cave" that would be different. Then again, I've never been with the kind of guy who had to have one.

well said

Because We gave up enough!!!
hee hee ( i kid)

so that would be interesting,because when i work seismic as i'm starting on friday we get $100 snowmobile rental per day in the winter or UTV (side by side)that we use now or in the winter as well,plus $125 for our 4x4s equiped, on top or our day rate.if she made personal sacrifices to save the slede(snowmoble)then i would be happy to give her the $100 rental for every day i work as long as i dont ever have to hear "when you going to work flucker" and think she's my iron fisted svengali and i'm her biotch yeah...not to sure that one's going to fly for long but the seadoo ( jet ski ) When i crank it hard at 72 MPH she will loose her top AND her bottoms thats a fact,but its also a great sexual apparatus that we both can enjoy, it would be like giving up the bedroom swing wouldn't it?...which i don,t actually have... come to think of it i dont even have a girlfriend (((HI Cindy)) (((Hi 2KM)))Yes snickers, you are the only one that calls me ride,well your very observent..lol you just have to be the odd one out don't you!you are such a nonconformist! when are you going to "fall in" and quit fighting the system "where have i been" i was getting my pee pee slapped again plus i got put in time out again no...no sex, i was forced to kick my own but back to BC and get a job, i made me! i'm sure controlling..how on earth am i going to treat a sweet woman...oh yeah i forgot, they haven't come out with that model yet love Jamie OK..sure i would give up toys but not if they make money,a loophole

yes you are talking about an independent relationship,with two individuals standing freely of one another opposed to dependent or co-dependency.a relationship that breaths are proven to be most healthy,so the best chance to enter an independent relationship would be to find a partner with a full and active life already. people like this are harder to meet face to face as their at home resting, if their not on the run doing something.

@(((ride))))

Yes, that's it! But both people don't have to be incredibly busy or resting! There will be lots for them to do together while they can still do things on their own as well.

We missed you pony! Thanks.

You think I am gonna give all these things up and then have her keep her spa days, weekly shopping trips, more than 80% of my paycheck and 95% of the closet space? Well do ya?

If so....then you would be absolutely right! I'd give it all up for some good food and kinky sex.

Well said! Its about bringing it all together!

well the closet space is non negotiable

everything else is on the table...that;s pretty fair

Sad, but valid point Fear, but that's not what this was supposed to be about. Everyone seems to want to make it about that kind of demand though, so yours is not the first time my meaning was misunderstood. So I have to believe I did not phrase it well, or this has snowballed from the first person who made this kind of response.

There are many reasons why both parties might have to make sacrifices in order to be together. Whether financial, constraints in living arrangements, one party moving a long distance that they cannot take all of their belongings or allergies to...IDK...leather or whatever.

If a VALID reason would cause you to make a choice of relationship or your stuff...what would you choose. That might have been a better way to pose the question in the OP...had I realized it would have taken this path.

Again...this is not about anyone asking, coercing or demanding. This is about circumstances.

If circumstances were that you would only be able to be with someone you wanted to be with if you were willing to give up some stuff...would you?

If you need to know what the circumstances are specifically, then this abstract concepts like this are not ones you will be able to answer. Not everyone has to answer it....I won't be offended.

No one is trying to change everyone. Maybe neither of you can afford to move all of his stuff half way across the country.

This is strictly about circumstances not about a relationship that, from the sounds of it, should not even be a relationship, and is not likely to be very happy or last very long...if you ask me.

So, you're telling us your holding out for a movie star?