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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! I agree that the expressed opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution, but expressing such an opinion (an exercise of the First Amendment) doesn't in itself violate the U.S. Constitution, nor does the expression of the opinion violate a law or violate an oath. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Wed 07/17/13 04:43 PM
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! I agree that the expressed opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution, but expressing such an opinion (an exercise of the First Amendment) doesn't in itself violate the U.S. Constitution, nor does the expression of the opinion violate a law or violate an oath. If you care to reread my comment, I said an "enemy of the constitution", therefore as a statement, shows a desire to negate the rights of another American. Not a very patriotic act or opinion in my eyes since I have fought and bled to guarantee those rights to EVERYONE even him, as well as BM! |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! I agree that the expressed opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution, but expressing such an opinion (an exercise of the First Amendment) doesn't in itself violate the U.S. Constitution, nor does the expression of the opinion violate a law or violate an oath. If you care to reread my comment, I said an "enemy of the constitution", therefore as a statement, shows a desire to negate the rights of another American. Not a very patriotic act or opinion in my eyes since I have fought and bled to guarantee those rights to EVERYONE even him, as well as BM! Like you, I find that the opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution. So, I would like for the person who expressed that opinion to explain why she/he is promoting a violation of the U.S. Constitution. |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! I agree that the expressed opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution, but expressing such an opinion (an exercise of the First Amendment) doesn't in itself violate the U.S. Constitution, nor does the expression of the opinion violate a law or violate an oath. If you care to reread my comment, I said an "enemy of the constitution", therefore as a statement, shows a desire to negate the rights of another American. Not a very patriotic act or opinion in my eyes since I have fought and bled to guarantee those rights to EVERYONE even him, as well as BM! Like you, I find that the opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution. So, I would like for the person who expressed that opinion to explain why she/he is promoting a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Thank you for not disparaging the service of every American who has ever fought in defense of this great country, its flag and its constitution. |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! I agree that the expressed opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution, but expressing such an opinion (an exercise of the First Amendment) doesn't in itself violate the U.S. Constitution, nor does the expression of the opinion violate a law or violate an oath. If you care to reread my comment, I said an "enemy of the constitution", therefore as a statement, shows a desire to negate the rights of another American. Not a very patriotic act or opinion in my eyes since I have fought and bled to guarantee those rights to EVERYONE even him, as well as BM! Like you, I find that the opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution. So, I would like for the person who expressed that opinion to explain why she/he is promoting a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Thank you for not disparaging the service of every American who has ever fought in defense of this great country, its flag and its constitution. Friend, I am an honorably-discharged military veteran. So, I support Manning's right to a trial, just as you do. Where we differ is in tactics when responding to something said that we disagree with. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Wed 07/17/13 05:09 PM
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! I agree that the expressed opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution, but expressing such an opinion (an exercise of the First Amendment) doesn't in itself violate the U.S. Constitution, nor does the expression of the opinion violate a law or violate an oath. If you care to reread my comment, I said an "enemy of the constitution", therefore as a statement, shows a desire to negate the rights of another American. Not a very patriotic act or opinion in my eyes since I have fought and bled to guarantee those rights to EVERYONE even him, as well as BM! Like you, I find that the opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution. So, I would like for the person who expressed that opinion to explain why she/he is promoting a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Thank you for not disparaging the service of every American who has ever fought in defense of this great country, its flag and its constitution. Friend, I am an honorably-discharged military veteran. So, I support Manning's right to a trial, just as you do. Where we differ is in tactics when responding to something said that we disagree with. Thank you for your service. I too am a war vet, Vietnam, and I admit I get a little hot under the collar when I see such a lack of understanding, such a willingness to condemn, and an allowance of the blatant attacks on the liberties and freedoms we fought to defend and protect. Patriotism is much more than just a word! America is much more than just another country, and it's Constitution and bill of rights is what makes it so! I take each attack to any of them personally, perhaps I shouldn't, but it's like a smack in the face of every soldier who has ever served in their defense. To take them lightly..... it's just unAmerican! |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Wed 07/17/13 05:21 PM
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! No, it doesn't. Tell me how you figure denying someone there constitutional rights is not an act against the very constitution and law of the land that guarantees those rights? I edited my comment to clarify what I meant. I also confirmed Manning's right to a trial. Still, it is going overboard to call someone an enemy in this case. You can make a valid argument without name calling. I did not name call anyone. I pointed out that such an opinion was no worse, or any less an act against the law, our constitution, than what BM himself is accused of! I agree that the expressed opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution, but expressing such an opinion (an exercise of the First Amendment) doesn't in itself violate the U.S. Constitution, nor does the expression of the opinion violate a law or violate an oath. If you care to reread my comment, I said an "enemy of the constitution", therefore as a statement, shows a desire to negate the rights of another American. Not a very patriotic act or opinion in my eyes since I have fought and bled to guarantee those rights to EVERYONE even him, as well as BM! Like you, I find that the opinion contradicts the U.S. Constitution. So, I would like for the person who expressed that opinion to explain why she/he is promoting a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Thank you for not disparaging the service of every American who has ever fought in defense of this great country, its flag and its constitution. Friend, I am an honorably-discharged military veteran. So, I support Manning's right to a trial, just as you do. Where we differ is in tactics when responding to something said that we disagree with. Thank you for your service. I too am a war vet, Vietnam, and I admit I get a little hot under the collar when I see such a lack of understanding, such a willingness to condemn, and an allowance of the blatant attacks on the liberties and freedoms we fought to defend and protect. Patriotism is much more than just a word! America is much more than just another country, and it's Constitution and bill of rights is what makes it so! I take each attack to any of them personally, perhaps I shouldn't, but it's like a smack in the face of every soldier who has ever served in their defense. To take them lightly..... it's just unAmerican! I don't take them lightly, either. I just respond in a way that I consider to be more tactful. Anyway, I won't let others say prevent me from . . . |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! Some might perceive those an act of sedition This traitor violated his OATH and threw to help embolden the enemy because he was having a sexual identity crisis and because of treatment of gays in the military and his opposition to a war he didn't agree with, even though he VOLUNTEERED for service after the conflict began. He threw this country and his fellow soldiers under the bus and put both in harms way because he is a coward and a punk and that is what those people do. I am all for a trial and when he is found guilty I hope they fry his a$$. |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . So you agree with Obozo that American citizens, military or not, have no right to due process? How sad our constitution and bill of rights has no merit in your opinion. I guess a lot has changed since you were in the military, or you never held a security clearance. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Seriously, where is Bradley Manning not getting due process after leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents? Here's a clue for you: When people hold a top security clearance, they get "read on" to the secure facility. Those same people are warned that the information they see is not to be shared or discussed outside the secure facility. They are told of the penalties for exposing those documents. Exposing even a single document can be punishable by sentences over 20 years. Again, Manning shared OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND classified documents. You can call him a hero, if you like, but to me, he's criminally stupid and careless. He didn't review each document before releasing them. He just copied them to a CD ROM and uploaded the contents to Wikileaks. As far as the prosecution having to prove that Al Qaeda looks at Wikileaks, is laughable. The information, once uploaded, is just a Google search away. If Al Qaeda wasn't looking at Wikileaks, before, and they probably were, they certainly are, now. The crime isn't that Manning didn't find a smaller website. The crime is that he released classified, secured documents into the public domain. Sources where named in the reports shared. I wonder how long those confidential sources lived after Al Qaeda read their names in the intelligence reports. Probably not long. Anyway, Manning should face separate charges for each document released. Multiplied, he should get, literally, a million year sentence. |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . So you agree with Obozo that American citizens, military or not, have no right to due process? How sad our constitution and bill of rights has no merit in your opinion. I guess a lot has changed since you were in the military, or you never held a security clearance. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Seriously, where is Bradley Manning not getting due process after leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents? Here's a clue for you: When people hold a top security clearance, they get "read on" to the secure facility. Those same people are warned that the information they see is not to be shared or discussed outside the secure facility. They are told of the penalties for exposing those documents. Exposing even a single document can be punishable by sentences over 20 years. Again, Manning shared OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND classified documents. You can call him a hero, if you like, but to me, he's criminally stupid and careless. He didn't review each document before releasing them. He just copied them to a CD ROM and uploaded the contents to Wikileaks. As far as the prosecution having to prove that Al Qaeda looks at Wikileaks, is laughable. The information, once uploaded, is just a Google search away. If Al Qaeda wasn't looking at Wikileaks, before, and they probably were, they certainly are, now. The crime isn't that Manning didn't find a smaller website. The crime is that he released classified, secured documents into the public domain. Sources where named in the reports shared. I wonder how long those confidential sources lived after Al Qaeda read their names in the intelligence reports. Probably not long. Anyway, Manning should face separate charges for each document released. Multiplied, he should get, literally, a million year sentence. |
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . So you agree with Obozo that American citizens, military or not, have no right to due process? How sad our constitution and bill of rights has no merit in your opinion. I guess a lot has changed since you were in the military, or you never held a security clearance. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Seriously, where is Bradley Manning not getting due process after leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents? Here's a clue for you: When people hold a top security clearance, they get "read on" to the secure facility. Those same people are warned that the information they see is not to be shared or discussed outside the secure facility. They are told of the penalties for exposing those documents. Exposing even a single document can be punishable by sentences over 20 years. Again, Manning shared OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND classified documents. You can call him a hero, if you like, but to me, he's criminally stupid and careless. He didn't review each document before releasing them. He just copied them to a CD ROM and uploaded the contents to Wikileaks. As far as the prosecution having to prove that Al Qaeda looks at Wikileaks, is laughable. The information, once uploaded, is just a Google search away. If Al Qaeda wasn't looking at Wikileaks, before, and they probably were, they certainly are, now. The crime isn't that Manning didn't find a smaller website. The crime is that he released classified, secured documents into the public domain. Sources where named in the reports shared. I wonder how long those confidential sources lived after Al Qaeda read their names in the intelligence reports. Probably not long. Anyway, Manning should face separate charges for each document released. Multiplied, he should get, literally, a million year sentence. I had a "Top Secret" clearance working in a communications capacity in Nam. My main MOS was as a radio operator with an Engineer unit on road sweeps and firebase construction. I also worked in the Message Center, the hub of all secret communications while in the "rear area" of my BTN HQ. By definition BM is guilty of several charges. I have never stated otherwise, nor has he. So you see, I agree with you in a lot of what you say. My outrage is two fold. One is the BS charges and treatment he has been subjected to, the other is the idiocy of outrage against him by some, instead of the atrocities he revealed. Armchair warriors are destroying our nation, not the Bradley Mannings in it! |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 07/18/13 05:05 AM
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People in the Military have a 'duty' toward certain confidential behavior. He should have had No trail. but straight to Prision . Your thumbs up makes you an enemy of the constitution and the American people who rights you wish to negate! Some might perceive those an act of sedition This traitor violated his OATH and threw to help embolden the enemy because he was having a sexual identity crisis and because of treatment of gays in the military and his opposition to a war he didn't agree with, even though he VOLUNTEERED for service after the conflict began. He threw this country and his fellow soldiers under the bus and put both in harms way because he is a coward and a punk and that is what those people do. I am all for a trial and when he is found guilty I hope they fry his a$$. Violated his oath to who? The gov't? The American people? The Constitution? His oath was to the Constitution and the American people as a soldier in the military. Yes, he broke an oath, admits to it, because when he reported these actions to superiors he was told to "forget about it". Perhaps when drones or hueys are slaughtering the people in your street you will feel the same way? 11 dead, 2 reporters, 2 children, 7 civilians, 2 of them only trying to help the wounded....a Reuters cameraman....and weren't even part of the initial attack. You continually laugh at war and slaughter from the comfort of your chair that some soldier has paid for with his life to allow you that privilege! So before you go criticizing a man with morals and conviction for actions he took that may cost him the rest of his life, thinking that honest, moral people had a right to know the atrocities conducted in our name, you might want to grow a few morals and convictions of your own. And if you are so pro war, you might try enlisting in the new all volunteer ARMY, walk a mile in the shoes of the soldier rather than condemning him from the freedom he allowed you to do so! His sworn duty, his oath, was to protect and defend the people, the nation and the Constitution, not a corrupt administration, its policies or Military Industrial Complex! |
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what intrigues me is that he PLEAD (guilty?) to 10 charges and OPTED to have his case heard by just a military judge I cant seem to find the injustice if he has broken laws and is getting the opportunity to let ONE individual with authority make a decision,,,, You mean just like the Zimmerman trial? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 07/18/13 05:44 AM
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Mortman....I need to make a correction to my post.....
Not "Top Secret", I was SCR11....secret clearance still. Would get me on the Enterprise, but probably not into the Pentagon (wouldn't they love me there!) |
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Illegal orders are not to be obeyed.
If the folks running the gubament be breaking the law, they need ratted out and strung up |
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what intrigues me is that he PLEAD (guilty?) to 10 charges and OPTED to have his case heard by just a military judge I cant seem to find the injustice if he has broken laws and is getting the opportunity to let ONE individual with authority make a decision,,,, You mean just like the Zimmerman trial? not exactly the Zimmerman trial has returned an unjust verdict,,,a person is DEAD with no one being held accountable this person isn't accused of being responsible for any deaths of unarmed citizens,,, |
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what intrigues me is that he PLEAD (guilty?) to 10 charges and OPTED to have his case heard by just a military judge I cant seem to find the injustice if he has broken laws and is getting the opportunity to let ONE individual with authority make a decision,,,, You mean just like the Zimmerman trial? not exactly the Zimmerman trial has returned an unjust verdict,,,a person is DEAD with no one being held accountable this person isn't accused of being responsible for any deaths of unarmed citizens,,, The death rate is one per person, not every death requires someone to be accountable for it, it happens. Who is accountable for the 16 year old American citizen Abdul aw-Alicki? Killed without due process by a drone strike? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 07/18/13 07:39 AM
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what intrigues me is that he PLEAD (guilty?) to 10 charges and OPTED to have his case heard by just a military judge I cant seem to find the injustice if he has broken laws and is getting the opportunity to let ONE individual with authority make a decision,,,, You mean just like the Zimmerman trial? not exactly the Zimmerman trial has returned an unjust verdict,,,a person is DEAD with no one being held accountable this person isn't accused of being responsible for any deaths of unarmed citizens,,, Correction....T was held accountable for his own poor judgement when he attacked Z, the price was high, but avoidable. He chose to take that risk, nobody made him. In the meantime, 50 black teens were killed last month in Chicago, a gun free zone, by other blacks, where is your outrage for that? Bloomberg in NY has a "stop and frisk" policy that has profiled over 70% of blacks with only a 2% conviction rate for any crimes....where is your outrage for that? Like your precious POTUS and his henchman Holder, you wish to choose only the crime that suits you to make a case of! |
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