this has nothing to do with the OWNING of guns

and everything to do with the reasonable USE of guns


do black americans benefit if they are perceived as the 'threatening' minority ,

by a law that only requires someone feeling threatened to justify them taking a life?


I would think not,,,,


a castle doctrine is one thing, when people are in their home


but its another issue to say that people outside in the open only need to feel 'threatened' to end someones life

Well Said....

who is the bigger threat to the public...
a white plumber, or an 18 year old black gangster?
a redneck with an ar15, or kilo, leader of the MS13?
the black businesswoman, or bob, leader of the skinheads...

i think you see where i'm going with this...
mostly, the gangs... doesn't matter what color or nationality, there's stupid in every group...
maybe they should set an age limit on the legalities of owning a gun...

It is reasonable to shoot someone who is on top beating you and telling you you're going to die.

who, when dressed in regular clothes, no uniform, no occupational attire

is seen as the bigger threat? the white male or the black male?

the white woman or the black woman?

mostly, black is seen by far too many as threatening, and assumed to be 'suspicious',,,,and that is the issue that makes Stand your ground such a dangerous precedent to uphold,,,,

CNN) -- His trial's over. And now it turns out that George Zimmerman might need the same thing millions of Americans are looking for: a job.

As Zimmerman and his legal team mounted their defense, they convinced people across the country to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to help him.

Living expenses, bodyguards and expert witnesses were costly, they argued on websites set up to raise money in the case.

So what's next, now that a jury has acquitted him?

For the 29-year-old Florida man, the financial picture is cloudy. Critics have already accused Zimmerman of profiting from the case. Will the donations keep pouring in? Will he win a monetary reward in his defamation lawsuit against NBC? Could he cash in on his personal story with a book or movie deal?


Holder: Justice must be done Beyond the legal costs, Zimmerman's attorney says the case has come at a high price. Fear for his safety has made him live off the grid for months.

"I don't know how he gets a job where he is out in public," Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara said, "without having the fear of somebody finding out where he works."

Expert to Zimmerman: Pick a new career path

Before he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February 2012, Zimmerman had studied criminal justice. He applied to become a police officer in Virginia in 2009, but was rejected due to bad credit, according to testimony in his trial.

Even with more money in his bank account, that career path shouldn't be on the table anymore, an expert told CNN.

"That is the absolute worst thing you can do," said reputation management counselor Mike Paul. "It might be your old passion; you need to find a new passion. And it needs to be helping people in a very different way -- a way that is much more compassionate, not just involving law enforcement."

So far, Zimmerman's lawyers and family have been tight-lipped about his next steps. O'Mara describes his client as a marked man, arguing that his options are limited due to death threats he faces.

Whatever he does, his brother said, it will have to be under the radar.

"As he engages the world, as anyone in his situation would, without restrictions," Robert Zimmerman said, "he's going to have to learn to move about in a very low-profile way and keep to himself."

Race perhaps simplest disagreement in Zimmerman post-trial interviews

Donations fueled defense, led to wife's arrest

But online, at least, being low-profile hasn't exactly been Zimmerman's style.

Through websites set up for his defense, he raked in hundreds of thousands of dollars.


Where did that money go?



"If $61,747.54 sounds like a lot of money for living expenses for 8 months -- you are right," the website says. "It's more than most people earn in a year. Most of George's living expenses for the first several months were allocated to providing a safe, secure place for George and his wife, Shellie, to live."

At one point after his arrest, the site says, Zimmerman was hiding out in a location that was so remote that it cost $2,500 to connect a phone line.

Raising hundreds of thousands of dollars from supporters for your case is a good thing, right?

Well, it wasn't for Shellie Zimmerman, who now faces a perjury charge.

Prosecutors allege she lied when she told a Florida judge during a bail hearing for her husband in April 2012 that the family was indigent. In fact, they argue, George Zimmerman actually had about $135,000 at the time.

She's pleaded not guilty, and has a court date in the case scheduled for next month.

Even if donations keep pouring in, Zimmerman shouldn't necessarily take all the money he's offered, said Gene Grabowski, a crisis public relations manager.

"He's got to be careful to avoid the appearances of creating more divisions by accepting money or support openly from groups that, maybe, that would create more friction because of the tenor of this case," he said. "He's got to be careful about who he associates with afterwards, even if they are offering financial support."

Despite outrage, federal charges uncertain in case

What about a book?

A juror in the high-profile case has already inked a deal with an agent for a possible book.

Could a book or a made-for-TV movie be in Zimmerman's future?

Last week HLN's Nancy Grace said a multimillion-dollar book for Zimmerman would probably be in the offing.

And that possibility is already drawing sharp criticism.

In an editorial titled "Zimmerman's acquittal shouldn't lead to riches," The Philadelphia Inquirer argued Monday that Zimmerman is "likely to be offered millions through lucrative book and movie deals."

"It would be a shame," the newspaper said, "if the unnecessary death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin produced more paydays for the man who fatally shot the unarmed black teenager in the heart during a scuffle."

Civil lawsuits surge to the forefront

Even with the criminal trial over, Zimmerman still is likely to face several legal battles.

Activists are pushing for the federal government to file civil rights charges against him.

And it's possible Martin's family will file a civil wrongful death case, which could threaten Zimmerman's pocketbook.

They haven't said yet if they will.

That could be more likely, some analysts say, if it appeared Zimmerman was profiting from the case.

A book or movie deal could make Zimmerman more vulnerable to a wrongful death suit, criminal defense attorney Randy Reep told USA Today.

And then there's another case that Zimmerman started, suing NBC Universal over edited versions of a 911 call Zimmerman made.

That lawsuit alleges that NBC deliberately edited an audio tape of his 911 call to make Zimmerman sound racist.

"Because of NBC's deceptive and exploitative manipulations, the public wrongly believes that Zimmerman 'use(d) a racial epithet' while describing Martin during the call to the dispatcher on that fateful night," the suit says.

NBC Universal has disputed the accusations.

"There was no intent to portray Mr. Zimmerman unfairly," the company said last year. "We intend to vigorously defend our position in court."

The lawsuit says Zimmerman is seeking "damages in excess of the jurisdictional limit," but doesn't specify a dollar figure.

Zimmerman's brother says the family is focusing on getting a fresh start. But so far, the verdict hasn't put a stop to debate over the controversial case.

And it's unclear what that could mean for Zimmerman's cash flow.

CNN's Thom Patterson, David Mattingly, MaryLynn Ryan, Gustavo Valdes, Chris Cuomo and Kate Bolduan, HLN's Graham Winch and In Session's Jessica Thill contributed to this report.

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temporary ending of cash flow for permanent ending of a life

'vibration' in action, Id say,,,

True....

NOT without good cause! To say differently is ludicrous.

There is more black violence than from any other source or group, even tho much of it is imposed on other blacks. The expectation of violence, in relation to a certain situation, location or environment, is higher statistically.

i don't remember TM going to Zimmermans car, i remember Zimmerman following and hunting TM...
i can't see how the SYG law applies here, when zimmerman was hunting TM

and there you have it,, throwing aside this 'ideal' that individuals should be individually judged,,,

you and many others believe you have 'good reason' to be more suspicious and threatened by a black male than a white male,,,

in fact, you are much more likely to be violently attacked by someone that runs in your circle,, that means white folks if you are mostly around whites,, and black folks if you are mostly around blacks,,,

but , using that 'good reason'...



using that logic, there is more black enslavement than any other type in us history

the expectation of oppression by whites is much higher statistically in America, than that of oppression by blacks

the expectation of incarceration, is much higher for blacks than for whites too

not necessarily an indication of blacks being more criminal, as much as it is them being convicted more often of their crimes,,,

probably why they decided against using it

the syg topic came up in this thread and sent it on a tangent, but syg wasn't used in the Zimmerman case,,,,,'self defense' was,,,

Which if they could have proven that Z DID hunt T down as was said, it would not have been self defense.

Since he was acquitted by a unanimous vote by a jury of his peers, who gave that verdict of self defense after seeing and hearing all the evidence which you did not, you are only fooling yourself, creating your own agony, and defaming a man who was found innocent of any such charge.

If your going to ignore the law which found him innocent of charges, then what makes you any less than of a criminal mind yourself?

you keep repeating false information

self defense was alleged in the defendants answer to the charge

the JURY had no such verdict of 'self defense', they only had a 'not guilty' verdict as default if the other charges on their instruction sheet didn't fit

they were split about that and eventually some of them were SWAYED to not guilty,, that is different from being 'innocent'

the law has found many heinous characters 'not guilty', ,,again the guilt trip wont work on those with a brain that are able to see when the justice system or rather a very SMALL number of individuals on a jury,, don't get it right,,,,

are you a 'criminal mind' for not agreeing with your government?

please, refrain from the tiring double standard,,,,

so tell me... where does the right and wrong end with you? your all for snowden and bradley giving away secrets, but now the laws are just and fair? do you pick and choose what laws to follow? you really think this whole case was fair and just, but giving away government secrets is just too?... i know they are your opinions, but i'm kind of confused on what laws you feel we should follow, and the ones we shouldn't...

Karma sent dead thug to hell.

guess yall can discuss the details when you get there

My fate is sealed.
Perhaps y'all can whine about how unfair life wuz.

some whine, some discuss, some goof, some insult and antagonize

all the choices are there,,,

The attitude around my area is old George would be welcome and protected from the idiot ferals who still claim he's guilty and want him harmed.