The End of the Law ? What Law? or is this even what he is talking about?




Continuing on:
Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

End of the Law.

Whats the Hebrew say? How is this Hebrew word translated elsewhere?

End > Telos

NT:5056

NT:5056 telos (tel'-os); from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal);

properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state

(termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or

prophetic], purpose); specifically, an impost or levy (as paid):


KJV - continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare NT:5411.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew

Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

To set up as a definate point or goal.

Did Paul in Romans speak of an end or a Point of the Law or a Goal of the Law?

What about where Telos tells us to go?

KJV - continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare NT:5411.

NT:5411

NT:5411 phoros (for'-os); from NT:5342; a load (as borne), i.e. (figuratively) a tax (properly,

an individual assessment on persons or property; whereas NT:5056 is usually a general toll on

goods or travel):


KJV - tribute.

Load , tax, tribute.

So we have Point, goal from 5411 Load , Tax or Tribute.

where else is Telos translated?

What did Yahshua say about Telos?

Matt 17:25-26

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Yahshua prevented him, saying, What

thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own

children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Yahshua saith unto him, Then are the children fre
KJV

The word translated to English for Telos?

Custom or Tribute.

Here Yahshua word translayed from Telos is custom or Tribute..

Who made the Law gave it to us? It was Yahshua through he father.

He says that the children give tribute to Yahweh. Who are the children?


What else did Paul say after using the word Telos?

Rom 10:3-4
3 For they being ignorant of Elohim's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own

righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of Elohim. 4 For Messiah is the end of the

law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
NKJV

So Paul accourding to this Translation of this whoever it is has Paul ending the Law then Paul

speaks of Righteousness.

Who's Righteousness?

Matt 23:1-3

Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the

Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
NKJV

Were they considerered the Law , Righteous ness to the people abnd how to obtain it?

Of course they sit in Moses seat. Judgement.

Matt 23:3-6
3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to

their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay

them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But

all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the

borders of their garments.
NKJV

Here he is speaking of a Law but what Law. Not the Law of Yahweh. Thier own laws they added.

Yet he says to OBEY them. Did Paul tell the Converts to obey the Law?

To make this easier I will not post all of Acts 15. I encourage you to read all of it as all the

Apostles are thier and in agreement.

Acts 15:6

Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.
NKJV

Acts 15:10-11
10 Now therefore, why do you test Yahweh by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which

neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the

Yahshua our Messiah. we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
NKJV

Huh .. Our forfathers did not keep. Math 23 read what the Rabbi's were not keeping but we are to

listen to.

Acts 15:15-17
15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16'After! this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek Yahweh,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says Yahweh who does all these things.'
NKJV

The Prophets agree about what as did the Apostles.

I will return.

rebuild the Tabenacle of David. ( Tabernacle is tent, his inner being, his HEART)



So the rest of mankind may do what? Seek Yahweh!!!!

Gentiles who are called. (many are called but few are chosen)

What did they agree upon about the new converts?

Acts 15:18-21

18 "Known to Elohim from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not

trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to Elohim, 20 but that we write to them to

abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from

blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being

read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
NKJV

4 things new converts should do as soon as they enter the fold.

we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things

strangled, and from blood.

Did they all do away with the Law?

No .. Why? what else will they do?

Back to Moses seat from Math 23.

Acts 15:20-21
21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read

in the synagogues every Sabbath."
NKJV

Read on and they send a letter to who?

Acts 15:23

23 They wrote this, letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.
NKJV

Was Paul included in this letter.. I think so and act 21 I have spoke of before where they

accuse Paul of not keeping the Law. where was that?

Acts 15:25-28
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our

beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of Yahshua our

Messiah. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word

of mouth. 2
NKJV

Humm . Paul is being upheld for his work by all the other Apostles and Elders. Paul gave an End

to the Law.. Bahh Humbug.

They told them to as a new Babe just being Born into a new Life. Grafted in Adopted by thier

Desire to come into the fold. Now We know all the discipled traveled around so what did they say

about how they could learn the Law. Yahshua said in Math 23 those who sit in Moses seat to

listen to. What did all these Apostles and Elders write for them to do?

Acts 15:20-21
0 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,

from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who

preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
NKJV

The Law is done away yet they say u can learn where?

21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read

in the synagogues every Sabbath."

Listen to what the Rabbi's are saying yet will not lift a finger for.. what is this? Yahweh's

Law by them who sit in Moses seat.

So a brief history after this. Paul is imprisoned, chained. appeals to Ceaser. Taken to Rome.

May face death. All for what? Because he kept the Law I have spoke about in Acts 21.

Then all of a sudden he says?


For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Does Paul saying this is the End of the LAW make sence? I guess the Apostles saying he...

Acts 15:25-27
to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives

for the name of Yahshua our Messiah.
NKJV

Really they sent them because Paul was a False Prophet? NOT

See all these experts all they are doing is taking 1 verse and making a doctrine out of it.

You all can not prove nothing because you are those who do this.

2 Tim 3:5-7
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this

sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with

sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the

truth.
NKJV

You definately deny it's power. and u r sneaking into anyones houses as we speak on this silly

topic.

Paul was not saying an end to Yahweh's Law. He was telling us/them the porpuse of the law.

NT:5056 telos (tel'-os); from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal


Now what does your expert not tell u?

Continuing on:
Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

For Messiah is the GOAL of the Law to everyone who believes.

What made Yahshua sinless? His keeping of the Law PERFECTLY>

What did he say when thier was no NT?

Gen 1:1 - Matt 5:48

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I

say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray

for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in

heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on

the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax

collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others?

Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect , just as your Father in

heaven is perfect .
NKJV

Yahshua was Perfect and following in his footsteps we are to try and do what? be perfect. His

Righteousness covers us. Makes us different.

So sad. Hopefully u will give up on the world that says the Law that was done away was

Yahweh's Law. The 10 commandments was Yahweh's Law. Tithing is Yahweh's Law. Where do we pick

and choose. This is why the world will not understand.
The Pharasses added to the Law and the world today. picks and chooses what Law they want.

FOLLOW Yahshua's footsteps brethern and these people will go away.

IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST - THEN YOU CANT BELIEVE IN YOURSELF , JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD .. IF YOUR QOUTING THE BIBLKE THEN THAT MEANS YOU HAVENT READ IT VERY WELL YOUR JUST PICKING OUT SCRIPTURES HERE AND THERE TO SUITE THE CONVERSATION YOU WANT TO GET INTO .. REMEMBER WHAT HE DID AT THE CROSS THE PERFECT SACRAFICE .
BUT END THE END IT SAYS - EVERY KNOEE WILL BOW EBERYONE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD ** NOW THAT IS A FACT YOU CAN SHOOSE TO BELIVE OR NOT BUT PLEASE PLEASE BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOUR CHOICE WILL BE ETERNAL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER YOU CANT RUN FROM IT KEEP READING PLEASE

who r u talking to?

Interesting, however it demonstrates a complaete lack of understanding of early church history; for example, see the writings of Iganutius (sp?) bishop of Antioch

It is so easy to say what you have.. Just show me? show me scripture. Prove to me what was done away? That's all I ask

Not sure of the extent of this question: 1. if it is what has been taken from scripture, I suggest the studies of Bart Ehlrman (sp), who demonstrates among other things how successive editions of the text started removing references to Joseph in order to foster a supernatural origin for Jesus. 2. If it is a question of Paul developing Xianity as a distinct religion from the Jewish Jesus, this is also a well established fact. This is based on Paul's rejection of the Torah.

I have not ever seen anything Paul has said that did not align up with the Torah or what the prophets, or writings say

The Jews obviously reject Jedus for personal reasons. They claim to understand scripture but hold to the Talmud as just as sacred and therfore bury the Torah and prophets in a mountain of interpretation that only favors Judaism.

The New Testament realies only on the Old for proof of the Messiah.

The Talmud is just an evergrowing bag of rabbanical wind that is ever trying to blow out the light of the law and the prophets, that all point to Jesus Christ.

The Tulmad is a testament of traditional toss.

There are plenty of examples of the Jews being stiffneckef and rebellious towards God in the law and prophets.

Jews are rebellious toward God and so stiffnecked that God can put them in concentration camps, as the Torah warns, and yet they still held to their Talmud traditions.

History has proven that Jews are stubborn and stiffnect so why would anyone follow them?

This really begs the question. Jesus was a Jew and his faith was taught by his brother James and the rest of the Apostles in Jerusalem. The reason you are not is because you follow a completely different religion called Xianity based on the teachings of Paul. Either you need to go back and read Scripture with your filters off or study early Church history.

There is a proverb... A man does not need two eyes to see the truth, but if he refuses to see the truth, he sees with his brown eye...

Dude yoy haven't got a clue about church history or what Paul taught which was the Gospel. That is that JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE.

Why make a complete fool of yourself by trying to differentiate between what Paul taught and what Jesus brother taught.

It is just propaganda and propaganda is always based on ignorance and prejudice of the audience.

Shalom William.

I have spoke with many jews why they say Yahshua could not of been the prophicied messiah. Always the same answer and never got a real answer.

Maybe someone else or you have heard this before. I wonder if this is in the Talmud.

We all are familiar with Yahshua coming in on a donkey with people shouting Hosanna, Hosanna Blessed is he who comes in the name of Yahweh.

I have always been told by Jews I have come in contact with is...

He rode the donkey across a graveyard and that for him to do that proves he is not who he/we say he is.

any one else ever heard this? if so, where is this at about riding a donkey across a grave yard and what graveyard?

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Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus
For 2,000 years Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?
by Rabbi Shraga Simmons
with thanks to Rabbi Michael Skobac, Jews for Judaism
Let's understand why ― not in order to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position.
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:
Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?
The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means "anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)
1. Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)
Specifically, the Bible says he will:
Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.
Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.
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2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah
A. Messiah as Prophet
The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum - Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides - Yad Teshuva 9:2)
Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets ― Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.
B. Descendent of David
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father ― and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
C. Torah Observance
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
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3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text ― which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.
A. Virgin Birth
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
B. Suffering Servant
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:8). In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.
When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).
Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.
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4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation
Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show ― assuming they are genuine ― is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.
Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation ― i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us ― who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
For further reading: "Did God Speak at Mount Sinai?"
Waiting for the Messiah
The world is in desperate need of Messianic redemption. To the extent that we are aware of the problems of society, is the extent we will yearn for redemption. As the Talmud says, one of the first questions asked of a Jew on Judgment Day is: "Did you yearn for the arrival of the Messiah?"
How can we hasten the coming of the Messiah? The best way is to love all humanity generously, to keep the mitzvot of the Torah (as best we can), and to encourage others to do so as well.
Despite the gloom, the world does seem headed toward redemption. One apparent sign is that the Jewish people have returned to the Land of Israel and made it bloom again. Additionally, a major movement is afoot of young Jews returning to Torah tradition.
The Messiah can come any day, and it all depends on our actions. God is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today ― if you hearken to His voice."

Thanks.. I knew they had a lot of reason but I did not see the Riding on a Donkey through a graveyard mentioned. That's basically seemed at least to me was their sign that no possible way would the messiah do that. Maybe because the Eastern gate which is still closed is why. maybe he was suppose to have it opened and entered in like say when he comes back.. Just do not know

Jesus is described as riding on a donkey in apparent fulfilment of a prophecy in Zechariah 9:9: "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***. "

Scholars say that Zechariah chapters 9-14 were written shortly after the Return from the Babylonian Exile. The author advocated a return to the monarchy that had been disrupted by the Exile, but other parties preferred a continuation of the theocracy that had developed during the Exilic years. Chapter 9 talks exultantly about the good things that will happen now that the exiles have returned, so the passage in verse 9:9 need not have been a prophecy of Jesus, especially as he is not actually mentioned. So, is there a prophecy that was fulfilled, or did the gospel author simply know the Book of Zechariah and write a scene around it? The answer may be in the crowd that suddenly appeared out of nowhere to cheer Jesus and bring him into Jerusalem.

Mark's Gospel was the earliest of the New Testament gospels and in this Gospel, the crowd spread leafy branches on the road, just as the Jews used leafy branches in the celebration of the Sukkoth festival held at a different time of year. Mark 11:8 says (NAB), "Many people spread their cloaks on the road, and others spread leafy branches that they had cut from the fields." The words used at the Sukkoth are reflected in Mark 11:9: "And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

John Shelby Spong (Jesus for the NonReligious) says the story came from a Jewish festival actually held at an entirely different time of year:
The ]ewish eight day celebration of the harvest, known as Sukkoth, and also called the Festival of the Tabernacles or Booths, was probably the most popular holiday among the Jews in the first century. In the observance of Sukkoth, worshippers processed through Jerusalem and in the Temple, waving a bunch of leafy branches made of willow, myrtle and palm. As they waved these branches in that procession, the worshippers recited words from Psalm 118, the psalm normally used at Sukkoth. Among these words were "Save us, we beseech you, O Lord." Save us in Hebrew is hosianna or 'hosanna'. This is typically followed by "Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord. (Psalm 118:25-6).

Mark took the Sukkoth traditions and transferred them from autumn to the Passover season for the procession story. Because the Passover season is too early for 'leafy branches' (except palms), John changes this to 'palm branches', creating our modern tradition of Palm Sunday. In the earliest account of Palm Sunday, leafy branches were used, but these were not really available at that time of year, leading to the conclusion that this story was was a literary fiction. But if the story of the crowd strewing leafy branches and crying "Hozanna" was a literary fiction, then so also was the story of Jesus riding the donkey.

That is absolutely unconvincing and utterly rediculous.

Well we are getting somewhere. Thanks.

The last paragraph does make some sense. I agree the branches are at the FOT Feast of Tabernacles in the fall.

In the fall you would have as this is always close to the equinox . Can before or after and Yahshua at this time period also said is their not 12 hours in a day without mention night which we would have to assume when this festival took place their was about the same daylight as was night.

So having leafy branches would make more sense than Palm branches. But does not change that they were excited and laying something on the ground.

this does not say anything about a graveyard and the laws/rules or prophecy for or against riding a Donkey across a graveyard.. I just can't find it. Interesting I need to learn more about his entering as he enter as a lamb into your/his house 4 days ( abib 1 which means green ears) maybe grean ears Barley was used who knows. But as the Lamb of Yahweh he fit entered his Fathers house as a sheep would enter a house ( the 1st born of the flock) which relates to Yahshua who is the very 1st born. and slaughtered on Abib 14 as the Passover prescribes.

The order of linage jews will give different answers.. now Mary who was I believe

Luke 1:21-24

21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marveled that he lingered so long in the temple. 22 But when he came out, he could not speak to them; and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple, for he beckoned to them and remained speechless.

23 So it was, as soon as the days of his service were completed, that he departed to his own house. 24 Now after those days his wife Elizabeth conceived; and she hid herself five months,
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You can trace him all the way back to the Aaron. His priestly duties were for 2 weeks 2 x a year, His wife Elizabeth was I believe Mary's sister,.. We also know John the Baptists and Yahshua were cousins and because of searching out when his clan took care of the temple duties you can pretty much pinpoint when Yahshua was born.

So this would mean Mary was from the tribe of Levi. When jews speaking about Yahshua they said Is this not the son of Joseph. This would seem to say the linage comes from your earthly father. Who was also chosen to raise him. So Yahshua would of been a Levite and from the Tribe of Judah which he even says he is himself. So as far as linage goes it would come down through the Father .. Yahshua said he came in his Fathers name John 5:43

These outside commentaries are just that someones thoughts yet we are told to " study to show yourself approved" not someones elses work.. it is just another tool. Hebrew and greek dictionaries are another tool but hopefully not influenced by anything but word meanings ect. to let us determine the value of them.

Paul again in Acts 21 talks about the Rumors that Paul did not keep the law. But here he did along time after converting.

Paul is said that his words are misunderstood and twisted for various reasons.

Yet I have yet to find 1 thing he did that you can not find in the Torah, Prophets or the writings.. this is actually the way the scriptures are in the Jewish Tanak but xtians decided to rearrange the books for what they saw as a better story point, flow of what was going on. I do not know they changed a lot except for Yahweh and Satans name. Lucifer was never satans name. and Yahweh was changed to Capital LORD to immulate the YHWH that should be their and find this as no importance at all. Paul never Rejected the Torah. He was 1 of the foremost adamant Jew of the Time.. was at Stephens Stoning in acts 7 over him using the Holy Name. Paul no one has ever showed me a contradiction of what Paul said and he was all for the Law. He even got upset because he forgot a High Day while at sea when being taken to Rome.

See how Jesus fits into Gods plan to save fallen man.

The Jews were a means to an end not the end, as they want to have everyone believe.

All men have fallen through Adam and so now all men are reconciled through Jesus.

God did not work through so many generations and revelations just to let the Jews say, NO! To the Christ.

You Jews have no temple, no peace in Israel, and yet you stubbornly hold to this insane idea that God is with you.

Adam sinned, the law through Mises convicts everyone of sin, the Gospel of Jesus Christ saves us from sin by being the sacrificial Lamb of God.

What you Jews need to do is pull your stubborn heads out of your Kabalahs, burn all of the worthless Talmud, and start reading the actual Torah. Do it in Jerusalem. Collect all the Tulmad, and burn it in a big pill as a sacrifice to God.

Then get every Jew to read the book of Hebrews, which explains the work of the Old and New Covenants and the part that you Jews played.

After Darwin's Origin of the Species, the Pope commissioned the best and the brightest to study the Bible in order to defend it. What they found resulted in many of them actually losing their faith and the advent of "Modernism", ie- they believe in the actually teachings of Jesus but not the rest of it. This is the position of most Xians in the world today. A backlash to this is a small cult-like following of people who want to take the Bible as literal and these nutjobs spend their time making up stupid stuff like Creationism and trying to breed a red calf, etc.

yah,Bad Bad Joos?
So that's what it boils down to,hmm?
Well,we finally have that settled!
BTW,whom are you calling Jews?
What is this constant "You Jews"-droning about?
What is your Obsession with them anyway?
They didn't steal your Religion,actually you stole theirs!
Purloined it,then persecuted them for it!