Unless you are the sect of Chabad who is waiting for Rebbe Lubavitch to come back, a Messianic Jew is pretty much considered by Jews in the Conservative, Orthodox, Reform and Chabad camps to be a Christian.

I know all about the WWCG. I lasted 9 months before I had to hit the road and they are nothing like they were before the 90's they lost after Herb died which he made things up as u go like.. if u were divorced u could not remarry and 1000's of people this affected.. then in the late 70's early 80's he had a revelation that u could remarry. Why? he wanted to remarry and so it goes blindly.. That's a false prophet and now their are splinter groups all over the place claiming the other is heresy. they won't even let their members talk with me. or they will be disfellowshipped.. This is so wrong.. Is their ministers so afraid of someone who has never been to a school for religion such a threat to their memberships?

Paul was a chosen vessel by Yahshua. He was at Stephens stoning in Acts 7 then in Acts 9 he is struck blind for 3 days and has a change of heart. like he died and rose again u could say.

Paul replaced who was chosen to take judas place at the end of Acts 1 before the coming of the Holy Spirit on all of them in Acts 2.

It was very hard for the Disciples to have anything to do with them He helped stone Stephen for saying the Holy name Yahweh.

It says at the end of acts 7 they held their ears and rushed him and killed Stephen.

The only reason they would hold their ears was because of what I have said before the name of Yahweh was to Holy to speak. the main word the jews use for Yahweh is Hashem which mean the Name.. Christians YHWH was replaced by the four letters LORD over 6900 times in the OT alone. If Moshe and the prophets ect recorded this over 6900 times more than any word or name in the OT don't u think Yahweh's name is important?

Paul when blinded could not explain away this and he was 1 of the foremost Jews condemning Yahshua and now he is Praising him.. Wait a minute whats going on.. The ones who were with him and were blinded but could hear Yahshua speak from the heavens was the only reason the Disciples accepted Paul.

In the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses let everything be established. Kind of like when u r accused of a crime.. 1 witness is not really enough .. has to be DNA or another witness at least. No different than today. After this many do not realize but in Galations 1 it says before Paul went back to Jerusalem he went to the desert and learned for 3 years.. Where did Yahshua go as soon as the Spirit of Life lighted on him as a Dove of Peace? TO THE DESERT. He was Yahshua's Chosen vessel. Why? His Zeal got turned around against the jews. Then the Jews went after him saying he did not keep the Law of Moshe. Read what acts 21 has to say.

Acts 21:17-34

17 And when we had come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 When he had greeted them, he told in detail those things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality."

26 Arrested in the Temple


Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place." 29(For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)

30 And all the city was disturbed; and the people ran together, seized Paul, and dragged him out of the temple; and immediately the doors were shut. 31 Now as they were seeking to kill him, news came to the commander of the garrison that all Jerusalem was in an uproar. 32 He immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down to them. And when they saw the commander and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul. 33 Then the commander came near and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and he asked who he was and what he had done. 34 And some among the multitude cried one thing and some another.
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What Paul did and the Temple was still standing. Was end the Nazorite vow of Numbers 6 that like John the Baptist several others vowed before Yahweh to do and how/why this vow would end. Its all their from Acts 21 in Numbers 6.

Paul kept the law so did all the disciples.
This very reason is why Paul as a Roman citizen appealed to Ceaser and they took him to Rome because Paul was to be a vessel to the Gentiles and what more of a Pagan place to go and spread the good news than ROME!!!!

It says the sayings of Paul are hard to be understood that people take them and twist them.. here was the beginning of their twisting Pauls work.

Paul went to the Gentiles and Peter went to the Jews until he got his mind changed in Acts 10 and 11. Paul never broke the law porpusely

"The Talmud is a Rabbi's interpretation like a Christians commentary".

Saying that the Talmud is written by A Rabbi is INCORRECT. It is written by MANY Jewish scholars through time. Just as the bible is not written by one person. The Talmud is not one person's account.

What is so frustrating to me is that Christians just want me to accept their faith on blind faith.

Jews are told to question. It is perfectly okay to, at an appropriate time, get into it with your Rabbi about your thoughts on Judaism, God, the universe, etc. In fact, it's encouraged.

To convert to Judaism, takes years of study and ceremonies and you are not just allowed in. You have to know your stuff to some degree.

Some sects of Christianity, not all, just require you to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. I think this does a disservice to those who are true Christians because those who do not study are given the same credence and allowed to go around espousing that they are Christians and what they think Christian beliefs are whether or not they are correct.

"The Talmud is a Rabbi's interpretation like a Christians commentary".

Saying that the Talmud is written by A Rabbi is INCORRECT. It is written by MANY Jewish scholars through time. Just as the bible is not written by one person. The Talmud is not one person's account.

What is so frustrating to me is that Christians just want me to accept their faith on blind faith.

Jews are told to question. It is perfectly okay to, at an appropriate time, get into it with your Rabbi about your thoughts on Judaism, God, the universe, etc. In fact, it's encouraged.

To convert to Judaism, takes years of study and ceremonies and you are not just allowed in. You have to know your stuff to some degree.

Some sects of Christianity, not all, just require you to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. I think this does a disservice to those who are true Christians because those who do not study are given the same credence and allowed to go around espousing that they are Christians and what they think Christian beliefs are whether or not they are correct.

we only have Paul's word for what supposedly happened to him on the Road to Damascus!

Paul wrote nothing himself.. He had a scribe with him to record everything and that scribe was Barnabus

This is hair-splitting to the extreme

whats the hair splitting?


I want all of u to know how what u might say one of the biggest revivals we ever have had and now the largest population of us where it is.. In the Phillipines.

We had many people write and ask for ministers to come their and teach them.. now FYI this is done on the ministers dime almost all the time.. they do not get paid but a couple of them and its like minimum wage.

a minister was over their and the word of us was spreading in Manilla. a world renown Christian minister was their at the same time and had heard of us and challenged our minister to a debate on a live radio station.. He the challenger has dr. degrees in Theology and in greek and Hebrew. read write understand and teaches.

Our minister had no formal training.

Because of this live radio debate well lets say he was not happy and our numbers their have been growing ever since.. That was not us that was the Spirit of Yahweh calling the downtrodden to a better way of life. IMO

Responding to the Paul's word for what on the road to Damascus with Paul didn't write anything, his scribe did, is hair-splitting.

You had quoted
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Paul the Globalists.. so it was to him and u as u agreed with him.

I did not.

He was questioning the veracity of Paul's conversion, as much of modern Xianity is based on Paul, who contradicts Jesus, misquotes the Old Testament and argues with the head of the Church in Jerusalem

My apologies.. you r so right. sorry about that

As there is no secular or historical evidence for the existence of Jesus- and those that many try to use as proof, can easily be demonstrated as forgeries and falsifications, such as, the addition of references to Jesus in Flavius Joseph, which were not in the original- many Jews this story to be a retelling of the life of the Teacher of Righteousness who lived during the Maccabee era, as the stories are so similar

Manuscript evidence or superior New estament reliability

by Matt Slick

The New Testament is constantly under attack nd its reliability and accuracy are often ontested by critics. But, if the critics want to isregard the New Testament, then they must lso disregard other ancient writings by Plato, ristotle, and Homer. This is because the New estament documents are better-preserved and ore numerous than any other ancient ritings. Because they are so numerous, they an be cross checked for accuracy... and they re very consistent.

here are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in xistence today for the New Testament. If we ere to compare the number of New estament manuscripts to other ancient ritings, we find that the New Testament anuscripts far outweigh the others in uantity.

Author Date Written Earliest Copy Approxim between

Lucretius died 55 or 53 B.C. 1100 yrs

Pliny 61-113 A.D. 850 A.D. 750 yrs Plato 427-347 B.C. 900 A.D. 1200 yrs

Demosthenes 4th Cent. B.C. 1100 A.D. 800 yrs

Herodotus 480-425 B.C. 900 A.D. 1300 yrs Suetonius 75-160 A.D. 950 A.D. 800 yrs Thucydides 460-400 B.C. 900 A.D. 1300 yrs

Euripides 480-406 B.C. 1100 A.D. 1300 yrs

Aristophanes 450-385 B.C. 900 A.D. 1200 Caesar 100-44 B.C. 900 A.D. 1000 Livy 59 BC-AD 17 ---- ???

Tacitus circa 100 A.D. 1100 A.D. 1000 yrs

Aristotle 384-322 B.C. 1100 A.D. 1400

Sophocles 496-406 B.C. 1000 A.D. 1400 yrs

Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C. 400 B.C. 500 yrs

New Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (50-100 A.D.

2nd Cent. A.D. (c. 130 A.D. f.)

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s you can see, there are thousands more New estament Greek manuscripts than any other ncient writing. The internal consistency of the ew Testament documents is about 99.5% extually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In ddition there are over 19,000 copies in the yriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament anuscript base is over 24,000.

lmost all biblical scholars agree that the New estament documents were all written before he close of the First Century. If Jesus was rucified in 30 A.D., then that means that the ntire New Testament was completed within 70 ears. This is important because it means there ere plenty of people around when the New estament documents were penned who could ave contested the writings. In other words, hose who wrote the documents knew that if hey were inaccurate, plenty of people would ave pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ncient documents contemporary with the First entury that contest the New Testament texts.

urthermore, another important aspect of this iscussion is the fact that we have a fragment f the gospel of John that dates back to around 9 years from the original writing (John Rylands apyri 125 A.D.). This is extremely close to the riginal writing date. This is simply unheard of n any other ancient writing and it emonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First entury document.

elow is a chart with some of the oldest extant ew Testament manuscripts compared to when hey were originally penned. Compare these ime spans with the next closest which is omer's Iliad where the closest copy from the riginal is 500 years later. Undoubtedly, that eriod of time allows for more textual orruption in its transmission. How much less o for the New Testament documents?

Important Manuscript Papyri

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p 52 (John Rylands Fragment)

John 18:31-33,37-38

P 46 (Chester Beatty Papyrus)

Rom. 5:17-6:3,5-14; 8:15-25, 27-35; 10: 11,22,24-33,35; 16:1-23, 25-27; Heb.; 1 Cor., Eph., Gal., Phil., Col.; 1 Thess. 1:1, 2:1-3; 5:5-9, 23-28

P 66 (Bodmer Papyrus) John 1:1-6:11,35-14:26; fragment of 14:

P 67 Matt. 3:9,15; 5:20-22, 25-28

f the critics of the Bible dismiss the New estament as reliable information, then they ust also dismiss the reliability of the writings f Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other uthors mentioned in the chart at the beginning f the paper. On the other hand, if the critics cknowledge the historicity and writings of hose other individuals, then they must also etain the historicity and writings of the New estament authors; after all, the evidence for he New Testament's reliability is far greater han the others. The Christian has substantially uperior criteria for affirming the New estament documents than he does for any ther ancient writing. It is good evidence on hich to base the trust in the reliability of the ew Testament.

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Norman Geisler & Peter Bocchino, Unshakeable Foundations, (Minneapolis, MN: Bethany House Publishers, 2001) p. 256. The above chart was adapted from three sources: 1) Christian Apologetics, by Norman Geisler, 1976, p. 307; 2) the article "Archaeology and History attest to the Reliability of the Bible," by Richard M. Fales, Ph.D., in The Evidence Bible, Compiled by Ray Comfort, Bridge-Logos Publishers, Gainesville, FL, 2001, p. 163; and 3) A Ready Defense, by Josh Mcdowell, 1993, p. 45. "Deissmann was convinced that p52 was written well within the reign of Hadrian (A.D. 117-38) and perhaps even during the time of Trajan (A.D. 98-117)" (Footnote #2 found on pg. 39 of The Text of the New Testament, by Bruce M. Metzger, 2nd Ed. 1968, Oxford University Press, NY, NY). Bruce Metzger has authored more than 50 books. He holds two Masters Degrees, a Ph.D. and has been awarded several honorary doctorates. "He is past president of the Society of Biblical Literature, the International Society fo New Testament Studies, an the North American Patristic Society." -- From, The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel, Zondervan Publishers, 1998, Grand Rapids, MI: pg. 57.

1 thing I am not Jew messianic jew , Christian ect. I am a Yahwist.

because of faith I have by chance run into some of the formost Jews of the world. These men respect what I have to say. Why? Because I do my best to uphold the Torah.

Ever heard of Hellel? all Jews have. whats funny is this Rabbi they hold so dear more than Josephus has the same name as a character in IsaYah 14:12

Yet its been hidden from the scriptures.. look that name up in a concordance and see what the Hebrew says.

You are right about Blind Faith.. You probally won't find any believers such as me and my brethren in the Faith that welcome all questions. During the Feast of Unleaven bread which starts the day after Passover for 7 days we all come together welcome anyone to come in and we look at what we believe with no questioning left without an answer.. If we do we search and search until many come to the same conclusion and then write about it in Magazines we have and booklets and asking anyone who see's this differently to please let us know.

My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge. we must have witnesses to prove the point.. Their is safety in numbers and our Safety is in Messiah Yahshua

Paul wrote nothing himself.. He had a scribe with him to record everything and that scribe was Barnabus