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Topic: Sex before marriage...
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Sat 10/05/13 06:17 PM
Edited by Laura10 on Sat 10/05/13 06:20 PM
there is nothing specific to either refute or specifically reaffirm my position,, except that I believe Adam and Eve were just as much husband and wife as anyone since who has had legal documents or ceremonies,,,,as were leah and Jacob, without participating together in ANY legal contract or ceremony,, but just by nature of Gods covenant once they laid together,,,


Here are a few more Scriptures:

Exodus 22:16-17 New Living Translation (NLT)
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16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and has sex with her, he must pay the customary bride price and marry her. 17 But if her father refuses to let him marry her, the man must still pay him an amount equal to the bride price of a virgin.

Here is another Old Testament example that just having "sex with her" did not mean they were married, even between two consenting adults. Again, it is the father that had to approve of the marriage, throw the ceremony, and gives his daughter away before they are officially married…and this was their law according to the Mosaic covenant.

I don't know if you have heard of this tradition, but it is still practiced by some, although it is slowly becoming obsolete...the groom asking his future father-in-law for his daughters hand in marriage before proposing to his love. It was very important to make a good impression and show the bride'��s father that she would be well taken care of.

Here we see the law given again, but in a little more detail.


Deuteronomy 22:23-24 New Living Translation (NLT)

23 "Suppose a man meets a young woman, a virgin who is engaged to be married, and he has sexual intercourse with her. If this happens within a town, 24 you must take both of them to the gates of that town and stone them to death. The woman is guilty because she did not scream for help. The man must die because he violated another man's wife. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you.

25 "But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. 26 Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. 27 Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.

28 "Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.

First, I would like to point out in verse 29 we see yet again that the man must marry the woman because he has violated her. As acknowledged previously, just having sex did not mean they were married, even when it was between two consenting adults.

But wait; did you notice what happened in verse 24? When the young lady was engaged, she was already considered another man's wife! They had not had the wedding ceremony where the father gave the bride away yet, nor had the engaged couple consummated. I believe we see this again in the New Testament!

flowerforyou

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Sat 10/05/13 06:34 PM
Edited by Laura10 on Sat 10/05/13 06:37 PM
Here is a New Testament example:

Matthew 1:18-25 New Living Translation (NLT)

18 This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. 19 Joseph, her fianc�, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement quietly.

20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. "Joseph, son of David," the angel said, "do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."

22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet:

23 "Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son,
and they will call him Immanuel,
which means 'God is with us.'"

24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.

First I want to point out in verse 19 the concept of entering into a covenant relationship during engagement as I showed previously in Deuteronomy. Marriage was a very sacred, covenantal commitment that was not treated lightly or flippantly by just claiming one was married when they succumbed to their sexual urges whether or not accompanied by feelings of love (whether erotic or ergos because agape would respect the other person enough to wait).
Another translation in the NIV states:


19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

This is in line with what we read earlier in Deuteronomy 22:24.

But then it says after Joseph had a dream and direction from the Lord:


24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.

So, here again we see another marriage but this time they are married and have had no sexual intercourse until after Jesus was born so this obviously disproves the assumption that when two people love each other, intercourse is the marriage ceremony making the two, one in God's eyes.


flowerforyou

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Sat 10/05/13 06:48 PM
Edited by Laura10 on Sat 10/05/13 06:49 PM
Here is another NT example:

John 4:16-18 New Living Translation (NLT)

16 "Go and get your husband," Jesus told her.

17 "I don'��t have a husband," the woman replied.

Jesus said, "You're right! You don't have a husband- 18 for you have had five husbands, and you aren't even married to the man you're living with now. You certainly spoke the truth!"

Here is an example of a lady that has been married five times and is currently living with a man she is not married to. Jesus tells her to stop sinning; therefore it is assumed she is having sex with her live-in boyfriend. Here is another example where 'loving' someone and having sex with them does not equate marriage.

Blessings...

flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou

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Sat 10/05/13 08:24 PM

Here is another NT example:

John 4:16-18 New Living Translation (NLT)

16 "Go and get your husband," Jesus told her.

17 "I don'��t have a husband," the woman replied.

Jesus said, "You're right! You don't have a husband- 18 for you have had five husbands, and you aren't even married to the man you're living with now. You certainly spoke the truth!"

Here is an example of a lady that has been married five times and is currently living with a man she is not married to. Jesus tells her to stop sinning; therefore it is assumed she is having sex with her live-in boyfriend. Here is another example where 'loving' someone and having sex with them does not equate marriage.

Blessings...

flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou


noway Wow! Laura, you make a good point.

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Fri 10/11/13 01:05 PM
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Fri 10/11/13 09:13 PM
yes ,sex before marriage is a sin but if we wasn't Christians then we wouldn't know this.that is why we have to have god in our lives so that we can be foregiven of our sins.just like jesus said when people gathered around and was getting ready tons stone a whore.who so ever that hasn't sinned cast the first stone.its up to the couple if they want sex before marriage.and just remember who put us on this earth.and what put sin in our lives.god loves us all that is why he gave his only begotten son to die for us.so that we could have ever lasting life.

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Sat 10/12/13 11:51 AM



Sex before marriage...

Do Christians do it? If so, do they consider it to be a sin?

Sex before marriage is a sin. And a born again Christian don't do it.

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Sat 10/12/13 12:04 PM

If you are a Christian and you have sex before marriage, it is a sin against your own body. If you are not a Christian then you are already living in sin.

True!

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Sat 10/12/13 12:05 PM
I want any white girl of age >18 and <35 to have sex with.... please contact me

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Sat 10/12/13 12:07 PM



If you are a Christian and you have sex before marriage, it is a sin against your own body. If you are not a Christian then you are already living in sin.


I doubt those who aren't christian are going to consider it living in sin.


That is not surprising because they have not gave their hearts to Jesus. Believers believe the word of God and try to follow God's commands.

Exactly!

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Sat 10/12/13 12:11 PM

I want any white girl of age >18 and <35 to have sex with.... please contact me

You could only see your bed of pleasure. Don't you know there's danger ahead.

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Sat 10/12/13 12:19 PM


well, Id say, if a man takes and clings to one woman, or one woman to one man,, with or without a ceremony or papers,, if their intent and promise to God is to be bound together,, those two having sex is not a sin,,,


the vow before God , imho, makes them husband and wife before God

if they have sex BEFORE The include God in such a vow,, its a sin


huh msharmony, I find nothing in the Bible to support what you said. It appears to me that you are making an excuse for two people having sex with each other without becoming legally married. It is as if you are redefining marriage in order to satisfy one's desire for sex.

Dodo_David, you're a true Christian and you observes very fast.

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Sat 10/12/13 12:19 PM


well, Id say, if a man takes and clings to one woman, or one woman to one man,, with or without a ceremony or papers,, if their intent and promise to God is to be bound together,, those two having sex is not a sin,,,


the vow before God , imho, makes them husband and wife before God

if they have sex BEFORE The include God in such a vow,, its a sin


huh msharmony, I find nothing in the Bible to support what you said. It appears to me that you are making an excuse for two people having sex with each other without becoming legally married. It is as if you are redefining marriage in order to satisfy one's desire for sex.

Dodo_David, you're a true Christian and you observes very fast.

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Sat 10/12/13 12:23 PM




In the Christian faith, it is sinful for two people who are not legally married to each other to have sexual intercourse with each other.

Sadly, all Christians eventually make the mistake of trying to serve two masters, which is why some make excuses for having sexual intercourse outside of a legal marriage.

Dodo_David, you're right.

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Sat 10/12/13 12:38 PM

Masturbation is a very serious sin as well. hold that thought.

Masturbation is a sin.

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Sat 10/12/13 12:44 PM


Masturbation is a very serious sin as well. hold that thought.


The Bible says nothing about masturbation.


The Bible says something about masturbation.

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Sat 10/12/13 02:22 PM

If you are christian then it is a sin . if you are Hindu.every sin is forgiven

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Sat 10/12/13 02:29 PM

If you are christian then it is a sin . if you are Hindu.every sin is forgiven


Whether you are a Christian or Hindu, God hate sin. And sex before marriage is a sin. You can not be forgiven except you repent of your sins and never to commit them again.

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Sat 10/12/13 03:02 PM
Cast off that offending member!pitchfork

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Sat 10/12/13 04:20 PM

well, Id say, if a man takes and clings to one woman, or one woman to one man,, with or without a ceremony or papers,, if their intent and promise to God is to be bound together,, those two having sex is not a sin,,,


the vow before God , imho, makes them husband and wife before God

if they have sex BEFORE The include God in such a vow,, its a sin

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