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Topic: Brave Student Prays in Graduation Speech
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Sat 06/08/13 12:05 PM


just like publicly expressing love for anyone else


harmony: how is publicly expressing love for a human a NEED? There's TONS of individuals (including myself) who aren't afforded that opportunity. I don't see how it's a NEED....



needs are water, shelter, food, and rest

there are no other true 'needs'

the question about why this is a 'need' is a loaded question , as it is not a need and the point is not being a need

its being a CHOICE


like, I dont NEED to sit at the front of the bus,, but I should be afforded the CHOICE To do so

Just don't understand how or even why you would be comparing public affection for God to public affection for loved ones. That's all.

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Sat 06/08/13 12:06 PM



just like publicly expressing love for anyone else


harmony: how is publicly expressing love for a human a NEED? There's TONS of individuals (including myself) who aren't afforded that opportunity. I don't see how it's a NEED....



needs are water, shelter, food, and rest

there are no other true 'needs'

the question about why this is a 'need' is a loaded question , as it is not a need and the point is not being a need

its being a CHOICE


like, I dont NEED to sit at the front of the bus,, but I should be afforded the CHOICE To do so

Just don't understand how or even why you would be comparing public affection for God to public affection for loved ones. That's all.



Because God is a loved one to many

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Sat 06/08/13 12:21 PM




just like publicly expressing love for anyone else


harmony: how is publicly expressing love for a human a NEED? There's TONS of individuals (including myself) who aren't afforded that opportunity. I don't see how it's a NEED....



needs are water, shelter, food, and rest

there are no other true 'needs'

the question about why this is a 'need' is a loaded question , as it is not a need and the point is not being a need

its being a CHOICE


like, I dont NEED to sit at the front of the bus,, but I should be afforded the CHOICE To do so

Just don't understand how or even why you would be comparing public affection for God to public affection for loved ones. That's all.



Because God is a loved one to many


You're comparing very different things. You're comparing something that may or may not be imaginary to real people.

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Sat 06/08/13 12:24 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/08/13 12:26 PM





just like publicly expressing love for anyone else


harmony: how is publicly expressing love for a human a NEED? There's TONS of individuals (including myself) who aren't afforded that opportunity. I don't see how it's a NEED....



needs are water, shelter, food, and rest

there are no other true 'needs'

the question about why this is a 'need' is a loaded question , as it is not a need and the point is not being a need

its being a CHOICE


like, I dont NEED to sit at the front of the bus,, but I should be afforded the CHOICE To do so

Just don't understand how or even why you would be comparing public affection for God to public affection for loved ones. That's all.



Because God is a loved one to many


You're comparing very different things. You're comparing something that may or may not be imaginary to real people.



columbus may or may not have existed,, but people believe he does or they dont

similarly, those who believe God DOES exist (not 'may' exist), have the same right to exprss love or respect towards him as does anyone else,,,

doesnt matter, its still a choice that all should have,,,,,

bottom line,,,

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Sat 06/08/13 12:27 PM
Oh yeah, and one more thing

It's about enjoying one of the freedoms perverts and many progressives wish to take away.


It's awfully big of you to call people who disagree with ya 'perverts.' I don't wanna know what denomination you are. Surely this kind of blatant verbal abuse isn't taught in your version of the Bible.

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Sat 06/08/13 12:30 PM
although I do understand its offensiveness, I would never choose the word when describing my loved ones in those abnormal lifestyles,, for instance

semantically, its a neutral term, in terms of offense

to pervert (from websters): Alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.

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Sat 06/08/13 02:11 PM

Oh yeah, and one more thing

It's about enjoying one of the freedoms perverts and many progressives wish to take away.


It's awfully big of you to call people who disagree with ya 'perverts.' I don't wanna know what denomination you are. Surely this kind of blatant verbal abuse isn't taught in your version of the Bible.

Where did any my statement verbally abuselaugh laugh any one specific person
So, where do you feel personally abused?
Pervert or Progressive?
:wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Sat 06/08/13 02:34 PM


Oh yeah, and one more thing

It's about enjoying one of the freedoms perverts and many progressives wish to take away.


It's awfully big of you to call people who disagree with ya 'perverts.' I don't wanna know what denomination you are. Surely this kind of blatant verbal abuse isn't taught in your version of the Bible.

Where did any my statement verbally abuselaugh laugh any one specific person
So, where do you feel personally abused?
Pervert or Progressive?
:wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


No, I am afraid you have misunderstood me. I DON'T have any dogs in this race so it doesn't offend me on a personal level. Where did you come to that conclusion?

The attitude which fuels your beliefs is bigoted and not exactly representative of your supposed Christian faith. Once again, you're not offending me, but you're being potentially offensive to a large group of people with that brash attitude.

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Sat 06/08/13 02:41 PM


we commend people for 'coming out' about their sexual preferences,, nice to see someone come on out for their moral preferences,,,,and not be condemned,,,


Glad you mentioned this!

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Sat 06/08/13 02:44 PM



Oh yeah, and one more thing

It's about enjoying one of the freedoms perverts and many progressives wish to take away.


It's awfully big of you to call people who disagree with ya 'perverts.' I don't wanna know what denomination you are. Surely this kind of blatant verbal abuse isn't taught in your version of the Bible.

Where did any my statement verbally abuselaugh laugh any one specific person
So, where do you feel personally abused?
Pervert or Progressive?
:wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


No, I am afraid you have misunderstood me. I DON'T have any dogs in this race so it doesn't offend me on a personal level. Where did you come to that conclusion?

The attitude which fuels your beliefs is bigoted and not exactly representative of your supposed Christian faith. Once again, you're not offending me, but you're being potentially offensive to a large group of people with that brash attitude.

To exalt a young man who rebels against stupid PCers is not proclaiming anything more than my pride for him not being influenced by the perverted trends Progressives want us to follow.

So. Let me see.

Calling perverts perverts and progressives progressives is verbal abuse?

Enlighten this old fckin' Redneck, please. See, I asked nice.laugh laugh

Explain how that is bigoted. Or, are you calling me a bigot?

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Sat 06/08/13 02:47 PM

Roy Costner IV, a former public school student from South Carolina, stunned the audience at his

high school graduation last weekend when he ripped up his previously-approved valedictorian speech going on, instead,

to speak about God — and then deliver the Lord's prayer. The act, which drew loud applause, was taken

in opposition to the School District of Pickens County's decision to axe prayers from graduation events, Christian News reports.

Officials said that they had recently received complaints from atheist activists and church-state separatists, leading to the removal of invocations from all school events.

But that didn't stop Costner.

The Liberty High School ceremony is already making its way into national headlines, as the valedictorian's actions

and the subsequent cheers this past Saturday were caught on video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p7w0bL3XuD4

PS
Fer the Libs; It's a very short movie. It might even fit in their attention space.laugh laugh laugh smokin


THAT IS SOOOoOOOoOOoo AWESOME IT BROUGHT TEARS TO MY EYES AS I READ IT!!!!!


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Sat 06/08/13 02:58 PM
Edited by techknowlove on Sat 06/08/13 03:00 PM




Oh yeah, and one more thing

It's about enjoying one of the freedoms perverts and many progressives wish to take away.


It's awfully big of you to call people who disagree with ya 'perverts.' I don't wanna know what denomination you are. Surely this kind of blatant verbal abuse isn't taught in your version of the Bible.

Where did any my statement verbally abuselaugh laugh any one specific person
So, where do you feel personally abused?
Pervert or Progressive?
:wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


No, I am afraid you have misunderstood me. I DON'T have any dogs in this race so it doesn't offend me on a personal level. Where did you come to that conclusion?


The attitude which fuels your beliefs is bigoted and not exactly representative of your supposed Christian faith. Once again, you're not offending me, but you're being potentially offensive to a large group of people with that brash attitude.

To exalt a young man who rebels against stupid PCers is not proclaiming anything more than my pride for him not being influenced by the perverted trends Progressives want us to follow.

So. Let me see.

Calling perverts perverts and progressives progressives is verbal abuse?

Enlighten this old fckin' Redneck, please. See, I asked nice.laugh laugh

Explain how that is bigoted. Or, are you calling me a bigot?

Keep living in your stupid fu*king world where YOU know everything and all others are heathens. Progressives my a$$. Nobody's got time for all the political ******** except for the bullheads WHO WANT to eat, breathe, and sleep that trash.

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Sat 06/08/13 03:04 PM





Oh yeah, and one more thing

It's about enjoying one of the freedoms perverts and many progressives wish to take away.


It's awfully big of you to call people who disagree with ya 'perverts.' I don't wanna know what denomination you are. Surely this kind of blatant verbal abuse isn't taught in your version of the Bible.

Where did any my statement verbally abuselaugh laugh any one specific person
So, where do you feel personally abused?
Pervert or Progressive?
:wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


No, I am afraid you have misunderstood me. I DON'T have any dogs in this race so it doesn't offend me on a personal level. Where did you come to that conclusion?


The attitude which fuels your beliefs is bigoted and not exactly representative of your supposed Christian faith. Once again, you're not offending me, but you're being potentially offensive to a large group of people with that brash attitude.

To exalt a young man who rebels against stupid PCers is not proclaiming anything more than my pride for him not being influenced by the perverted trends Progressives want us to follow.

So. Let me see.

Calling perverts perverts and progressives progressives is verbal abuse?

Enlighten this old fckin' Redneck, please. See, I asked nice.laugh laugh

Explain how that is bigoted. Or, are you calling me a bigot?

Keep living in your stupid fu*king world where YOU know everything and all others are heathens. Progressives my a$$. Nobody's got time for all the political ******** except for the bullheads WHO WANT to eat, breathe, and sleep that trash.

Please.

Personal attacks are not very PC, now.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Sat 06/08/13 03:07 PM






Oh yeah, and one more thing

It's about enjoying one of the freedoms perverts and many progressives wish to take away.


It's awfully big of you to call people who disagree with ya 'perverts.' I don't wanna know what denomination you are. Surely this kind of blatant verbal abuse isn't taught in your version of the Bible.

Where did any my statement verbally abuselaugh laugh any one specific person
So, where do you feel personally abused?
Pervert or Progressive?
:wink: laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


No, I am afraid you have misunderstood me. I DON'T have any dogs in this race so it doesn't offend me on a personal level. Where did you come to that conclusion?


The attitude which fuels your beliefs is bigoted and not exactly representative of your supposed Christian faith. Once again, you're not offending me, but you're being potentially offensive to a large group of people with that brash attitude.

To exalt a young man who rebels against stupid PCers is not proclaiming anything more than my pride for him not being influenced by the perverted trends Progressives want us to follow.

So. Let me see.

Calling perverts perverts and progressives progressives is verbal abuse?

Enlighten this old fckin' Redneck, please. See, I asked nice.laugh laugh

Explain how that is bigoted. Or, are you calling me a bigot?

Keep living in your stupid fu*king world where YOU know everything and all others are heathens. Progressives my a$$. Nobody's got time for all the political ******** except for the bullheads WHO WANT to eat, breathe, and sleep that trash.

Please.

Personal attacks are not very PC, now.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Exactly. Why don't you keep them coming homeboy!

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Sat 06/08/13 05:06 PM
All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical.

So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then.

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Sat 06/08/13 06:10 PM



we commend people for 'coming out' about their sexual preferences,, nice to see someone come on out for their moral preferences,,,,and not be condemned,,,


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Sat 06/08/13 06:20 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Sat 06/08/13 06:22 PM

PS
Fer the Libs; It's a very short movie. It might even fit in their attention space.laugh laugh laugh smokin


God loves conservatives too or right wings(know it alls) .:wink:

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Sat 06/08/13 06:48 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/08/13 06:52 PM

All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical.

So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then.


I wont. I just caution people to know their audience, and not 'complain' if they are or arent accepted, based upon what words they choose and how offensive they are to those in attendance,,,

for instanc, I have no issue with a muslim getting up and thanking allah and asking for his guidance,,etc,, these are non offensive requests,

if a christian gets up asking God to kill non christians, would be as offensive as a muslim asking Allah to kill non muslims

theres alot to be said about Exactly WHAT the prayer is asking,, as opposed to just its source,,,its hard to find anything in the lords prayer that is offensive,,,


our father, who art in heaven
hallowed be thy name
thy kingom come, thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven
give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us
and lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil
for thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory
for ever and ever

amen


NOW , for those not believing in God it seems it would be unimpactful as they just would not say amen or have to pray the prayer and there is no call in that prayer to harm anyone,,

just to forgive, be forgiven, and be delivered,,,



dont know how that can really be offensive to any thinking morally conscious person,,,

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Sat 06/08/13 09:08 PM

All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical.

So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then.


:thumbsup:

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Sat 06/08/13 09:43 PM
If atheistic and agnostic students want to control what is said in valedictorian speeches, then they should strive to become valedictorians.

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