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It is only hurting them if they believe in God, as it specifically calls out homosexual behavior as abhorrent. It also says to stone them. But I believe Jesus changed that when he wouldn't let the crowd stone a prostitute ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."). That's just my opinion, plus there is aids running around, but it has crossed over into heterosexual relations too. Again though can you prove that? A book does not truth make. Would a God of love judge someone or cast them out for simply choosing to love someone of the same sex and wanting to be with them romantically? Yet in the meantime he's perfectly fine with bloodshed and death in his name, even to the point of killing first born children of those who don't obey Him? Take away the religious upbringing for a second and seriously think about that. Does that make any bit of sense? It doesn't to me. As for AIDS, if you research that, that was a government created disease in Africa, it had nothing to do with homosexuals as one may believe. quit making things up... you have no idea how it started, just like everyone else... Uh......yeah I think I do. Research it, do your homework before you spout off at the mouth. no, your the one saying you know how it started... prove it... your a doctor? you know about infectious diseases? all you know is what you read off the internet, on the CT'ers site... NO ONE knows how or where it started, for all we know it could have started 5000 years ago, or a million... you just don't know Like I said educate yourself, I won't spoon feed you. Think this conversation is over, it's hopeless. |
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Edited by
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time?
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Edited by
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government? 
If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. either way, have you thought about how you and the government you gripe about so much are the same? your trying to tell me how and what to think, just like the government... the whole government is full of people like you, just waiting to push their beliefs on others. I'm not saying this to make you mad, I'm saying this because you yourself said " you think the world could be a better place", that's exactly the way everyone in the government, your neighbors, me, and the other 400 million people are saying... the only problem with that is there is 400 million opinions on how to do that, and to you, yours is right, and to them, they are right... who is right and wrong here? that's why we have to have a government. they found this out about 12,000 years ago, and it will never change... Only because no one has the GUTS to do it. And no I'm NOT telling you how to think, you can be prejudice all you want, but when you use that to try and tell someone ELSE how to live, you cross the line. Nuff said. Everyone can have opinions, but those opinions should NOT effect public policy. The ONLY reason for government intervention is when someone's rights are being taken away by someone else, that's the ONLY reason, anything else is overreaching. People are gonna be different than you, deal with it or go somewhere where there are more like you. yes you are.. you've been telling me how wrong i am, calling me racist, and arguing everything i say... if you don't like my OPINION, then don't respond to it... it's very simple Yes I DO think you're wrong, but it doesn't mean you don't have the right to speak it, you just don't have to right to use your OPINION to dictate another's personal choices. Learn the difference. And I will always speak out about prejudices..... |
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? If everyone consents, nothing wrong with it. |
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, you will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? we all voted for the people that make these laws... i'll vote for the people that are against it, and the others can vote for the people that want it... thats how it usually works here... |
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government?
If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. either way, have you thought about how you and the government you gripe about so much are the same? your trying to tell me how and what to think, just like the government... the whole government is full of people like you, just waiting to push their beliefs on others. I'm not saying this to make you mad, I'm saying this because you yourself said " you think the world could be a better place", that's exactly the way everyone in the government, your neighbors, me, and the other 400 million people are saying... the only problem with that is there is 400 million opinions on how to do that, and to you, yours is right, and to them, they are right... who is right and wrong here? that's why we have to have a government. they found this out about 12,000 years ago, and it will never change... Only because no one has the GUTS to do it. And no I'm NOT telling you how to think, you can be prejudice all you want, but when you use that to try and tell someone ELSE how to live, you cross the line. Nuff said. Everyone can have opinions, but those opinions should NOT effect public policy. The ONLY reason for government intervention is when someone's rights are being taken away by someone else, that's the ONLY reason, anything else is overreaching. People are gonna be different than you, deal with it or go somewhere where there are more like you. yes you are.. you've been telling me how wrong i am, calling me racist, and arguing everything i say... if you don't like my OPINION, then don't respond to it... it's very simple Yes I DO think you're wrong, but it doesn't mean you don't have the right to speak it, you just don't have to right to use your OPINION to dictate another's personal choices. Learn the difference. did you just say i don't have the right to express my opinion? |
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, you will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? we all voted for the people that make these laws... i'll vote for the people that are against it, and the others can vote for the people that want it... thats how it usually works here... Yeah a sheep and two wolves deciding what's for dinner.......never works out well for the sheep............ |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 06:24 PM
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government?
If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. either way, have you thought about how you and the government you gripe about so much are the same? your trying to tell me how and what to think, just like the government... the whole government is full of people like you, just waiting to push their beliefs on others. I'm not saying this to make you mad, I'm saying this because you yourself said " you think the world could be a better place", that's exactly the way everyone in the government, your neighbors, me, and the other 400 million people are saying... the only problem with that is there is 400 million opinions on how to do that, and to you, yours is right, and to them, they are right... who is right and wrong here? that's why we have to have a government. they found this out about 12,000 years ago, and it will never change... Only because no one has the GUTS to do it. And no I'm NOT telling you how to think, you can be prejudice all you want, but when you use that to try and tell someone ELSE how to live, you cross the line. Nuff said. Everyone can have opinions, but those opinions should NOT effect public policy. The ONLY reason for government intervention is when someone's rights are being taken away by someone else, that's the ONLY reason, anything else is overreaching. People are gonna be different than you, deal with it or go somewhere where there are more like you. yes you are.. you've been telling me how wrong i am, calling me racist, and arguing everything i say... if you don't like my OPINION, then don't respond to it... it's very simple Yes I DO think you're wrong, but it doesn't mean you don't have the right to speak it, you just don't have to right to use your OPINION to dictate another's personal choices. Learn the difference. did you just say i don't have the right to express my opinion? No, learn to read, you have the right to speak your opinion, but you DON'T have the right to take away someone else's right to do as they wish in their private lives just because you don't like it. That's where your rights end. |
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? If everyone consents, nothing wrong with it. in your OPINION... why did they make it a law in the first place? |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 06:25 PM
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? If everyone consents, nothing wrong with it. in your OPINION... why did they make it a law in the first place? Cause they're control freaks??? And why is it your damn business WHAT they do if those involve consent? Who died and made you god?? Get a life dude......please. You are the type the government loves, you keep their power strong. |
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government?
If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. either way, have you thought about how you and the government you gripe about so much are the same? your trying to tell me how and what to think, just like the government... the whole government is full of people like you, just waiting to push their beliefs on others. I'm not saying this to make you mad, I'm saying this because you yourself said " you think the world could be a better place", that's exactly the way everyone in the government, your neighbors, me, and the other 400 million people are saying... the only problem with that is there is 400 million opinions on how to do that, and to you, yours is right, and to them, they are right... who is right and wrong here? that's why we have to have a government. they found this out about 12,000 years ago, and it will never change... Only because no one has the GUTS to do it. And no I'm NOT telling you how to think, you can be prejudice all you want, but when you use that to try and tell someone ELSE how to live, you cross the line. Nuff said. Everyone can have opinions, but those opinions should NOT effect public policy. The ONLY reason for government intervention is when someone's rights are being taken away by someone else, that's the ONLY reason, anything else is overreaching. People are gonna be different than you, deal with it or go somewhere where there are more like you. yes you are.. you've been telling me how wrong i am, calling me racist, and arguing everything i say... if you don't like my OPINION, then don't respond to it... it's very simple Yes I DO think you're wrong, but it doesn't mean you don't have the right to speak it, you just don't have to right to use your OPINION to dictate another's personal choices. Learn the difference. did you just say i don't have the right to express my opinion? No, learn to read, you have the right to speak your opinion, but you DON'T have the right to take away someone else's right to do as they wish just because you don't like it. i never said i didn't like your opinion, i just don't agree with it... you wanna go marry a dude, go ahead, i could care less... i will never agree with it, and fight against it as long as i can... the difference is i know people will have different opinions, where your not grasping that concept very well... |
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It is only hurting them if they believe in God, as it specifically calls out homosexual behavior as abhorrent. It also says to stone them. But I believe Jesus changed that when he wouldn't let the crowd stone a prostitute ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."). That's just my opinion, plus there is aids running around, but it has crossed over into heterosexual relations too. Again though can you prove that? A book does not truth make. Would a God of love judge someone or cast them out for simply choosing to love someone of the same sex and wanting to be with them romantically? Yet in the meantime he's perfectly fine with bloodshed and death in his name, even to the point of killing first born children of those who don't obey Him? Take away the religious upbringing for a second and seriously think about that. Does that make any bit of sense? It doesn't to me. As for AIDS, if you research that, that was a government created disease in Africa, it had nothing to do with homosexuals as one may believe. quit making things up... you have no idea how it started, just like everyone else... Uh......yeah I think I do. Research it, do your homework before you spout off at the mouth. no, your the one saying you know how it started... prove it... your a doctor? you know about infectious diseases? all you know is what you read off the internet, on the CT'ers site... NO ONE knows how or where it started, for all we know it could have started 5000 years ago, or a million... you just don't know Like I said educate yourself, I won't spoon feed you. Think this conversation is over, it's hopeless. lol... when you come up with that proof, let me know... (hint) it won't happen in your lifetime, because it doesn't exist.. |
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? If everyone consents, nothing wrong with it. in your OPINION... why did they make it a law in the first place? Cause they're control freaks??? And why is it your damn business WHAT they do if those involve consent? Who died and made you god?? Get a life dude......please. You are the type the government loves, you keep their power strong. oh, a zinger...lol, thats your answer to everything... and your the type they keep in prison, because you think your smarter than the laws... |
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Edited by
1Cynderella
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Christians duty is to stand up for God's Word, for it is not only His spiritual code of conduct but ours. Homosexuality is a sin—the lifestyle is considered abominable by God, not the person, for if they choose they can repent and be transformed by God. I don't go around bashing people in the head with it, but I will speak up about it if the situation arises. The greatest victory the devil gets is when believers don't do or say anything. I’m a curious person so actually have a two part question for you, as the first person to mention it... While marriage obviously has a specific religious significance to you as a Christian, the significance is different for people of other religions, and to those with no religious affiliation at all. Do you feel that only Christians should be allowed to marry? If homosexuality being an abomination is the main reason Christians protest their right to “marry”, then shouldn’t women who wear men’s clothing and people who; sew two kinds of seeds in their soil, wear clothes woven of two different cloth, eat shellfish, re-marry their ex wives who have had another husband, craft molten or graven images, also be denied the legal right to marry? According to the Bible, these and 102 other things are ALL abominations in the eyes of the Lord. I would like to understand why every Christian I know takes more offense to homosexuality than to any other abomination. Might I add it says stone them to death and they don't, so none of them are standing up for the word of God. The Bible explicitly states the exercise of free will, God wants people to come to him of their own volition because He knows forced obedience just harbors resentment and rebellion. The Bible also states judge not, for that is God's province. So we should not judge others who exercise their free will, regardless of how repulsive or deranged from nature it is. God will sort it out. I do not condone homosexuality, but it is not my place to force my beliefs on another who might not believe in God or whatever, etc. The two people involved in the behavior only hurt themselves, imo. Oldhippie, you know me. I'm about as peaceful as they come and will not pick a fight in your thread. 
You also know that I don’t begrudge anyone their beliefs.
I do like to know the reasoning behind others beliefs when they are willing to discuss them in an open forum like this. As a fellow citizen, I also believe that I’m entitled to know the reasons behind them when I am going to be asked to abide by the laws that their reasoning,arguments and activists have a hand in shaping. This doesn't effect me personally one way or the other, but it's still an American issue. My experience has been that most Christians tend toward the notion that the stricter Old Covenant Laws were overturned with the arrival of Jesus; that his sacrifice did away with the need to punish sin with blood; thus why they don’t still stone their defiled daughters, drunken sons and adulterous wives, etc. One thing I find confusing is that only certain Old Covenant Laws are actually addressed in the New Testament, and since Jesus did instruct his followers to abide the laws of God, I believe the others, such as those I mentioned remain “abominations” unto this day. Unless someone here can otherwise educate me, this is my take on things. Yes, specifically the New Testament says judge not, while the Old Testamnet tends a tad...uh hem...toward judging. Many non-religious people also take on a judge not sentiment in the spirit of free thinking. After all, we are ALL designed with TWO cheeks. 
I personally don’t care for the idea of homosexuality, but I care even less for the idea of one religion dictating the laws of my country, which was built on its cornerstone as a safehaven from religious persecution. Ironically, my family fled to America so they could actually live by their faith...and I remain here because I’m not forced to live by their faith. Like I said though, I'm just curious as to the why. 
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I'll have to stand with the Muslims on this topic.
 
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I'll have to stand with the Muslims on this topic.
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I just felt like opening cans of worms today. Do you think government is too involved in our lives when they can say whether or not you can be married? If two people love each other, what's the big deal? How do you think the Supreme Court will rule? I think they will strike down anti-homosexual marriage laws myself, as there is no grounds for them not to be able to marry. The dictionary already includes homosexual couples as married, slowly our society changes. As for me, I hate to see the word 'marriage' changed, but once again I can not put my values on another. So I will not fight this action, I will let God sort it out. I dont think the government is too involved in deciding how it will DEFINE Marriage, that is different from saying who can be married though,,, people can be married without government if they so choose, but if they choose goverment support, validation,,etc,, they need to have government define what will be considered marriage (in the governments eyes) |
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? I totally agree that government has nothing to do with marriage and should not get to dictate the terms of it to anyone. I disagree that marriage in general is a religious institution though. Marriage may be a religious thing to you, but historically it began in 2350 B.C. in Mesopotamia (the first historical recorded evidence that’s been dated anyway). The concept of marriage was not religious to those who began the tradition, but conducted in order for a man to insure that his offspring was indeed his own. To insure this, once a father gave his daughter in marriage, she was required by law not to sleep with another man and for the most part was tethered to her home under strict chaperonage. Before the word of God was spread outside of the Middle East, there were marriages already being performed in multiple cultures throughout the world. I guess what I’m trying to illustrate is that Christians did not create the concept of marriage, and it holds different significance to a great variety of people. So without diminishing the religious significance it holds for you, it also holds another significance to me, a Pakistani man, a Tai woman, and to all the cultures in-between...people you and I both share a country with.
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, you will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? we all voted for the people that make these laws... i'll vote for the people that are against it, and the others can vote for the people that want it... thats how it usually works here... 
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Christians duty is to stand up for God's Word, for it is not only His spiritual code of conduct but ours. Homosexuality is a sin—the lifestyle is considered abominable by God, not the person, for if they choose they can repent and be transformed by God. I don't go around bashing people in the head with it, but I will speak up about it if the situation arises. The greatest victory the devil gets is when believers don't do or say anything. I’m a curious person so actually have a two part question for you, as the first person to mention it... While marriage obviously has a specific religious significance to you as a Christian, the significance is different for people of other religions, and to those with no religious affiliation at all. Do you feel that only Christians should be allowed to marry? If homosexuality being an abomination is the main reason Christians protest their right to “marry”, then shouldn’t women who wear men’s clothing and people who; sew two kinds of seeds in their soil, wear clothes woven of two different cloth, eat shellfish, re-marry their ex wives who have had another husband, craft molten or graven images, also be denied the legal right to marry? According to the Bible, these and 102 other things are ALL abominations in the eyes of the Lord. I would like to understand why every Christian I know takes more offense to homosexuality than to any other abomination. Might I add it says stone them to death and they don't, so none of them are standing up for the word of God. The Bible explicitly states the exercise of free will, God wants people to come to him of their own volition because He knows forced obedience just harbors resentment and rebellion. The Bible also states judge not, for that is God's province. So we should not judge others who exercise their free will, regardless of how repulsive or deranged from nature it is. God will sort it out. I do not condone homosexuality, but it is not my place to force my beliefs on another who might not believe in God or whatever, etc. The two people involved in the behavior only hurt themselves, imo. |
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