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History lesson: Contrary to the populist rhetoric, Hitler didn't ban guns in Germany. It doesn't matter what was written in 'Mein Kampf', he relaxed the earlier legislation on gun restriction. He never banned private ownership of guns. The 1938 German Weapons Act The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law: Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition." The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18. Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year. The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition. Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year. On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, promulgated Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation, which only applied to newly conquered Austria and Sudetenland, effectively deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons. Clearly, the prohibition applied to the Jews and not the entire German population. As reprehensible as Nazis are, and my personal disgust over anti-Semites and those who deny the Holocaust, there is much misinformation being promulgated at the moment regarding 'Hitler banning guns'. In this debate, many have been quoting various laws imposed by the Nazis regarding full bans, but all have omitted the fact that they imposed these bans on occupied territories, not the German homeland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany Bibliography Halbrook, Stephen P. (2000) "Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews." Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, Vol 17. No. 3. pp.494-528. Harcourt, Bernard E (2004) "On the NRA, Adolph Hitler, Gun Registration, and the Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Culture Wars (A Call to Historians)" p 20-21. Harcourt is a professor at the University of Chicago. Alex Seitz-Wald (January 11, 2013). "The Hitler gun control lie". salon.com. Retrieved January 19, 2013. English translation of Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938 "Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938" In the Bold Section of your Post! Governmentworkers and Party-Members were exempt,Jews totally prohibited,and the General Populace dependent on Permits! And then,there was still the question of being issued a Permit for Hunting,since you usually can't hunt in Europe without one! So if you were not a Hunter,no Firearm,unless you're in one of the Government approved Gunclubs! And even then,it stays at the Club's Armory! Can't have plain Citizens do Mischief with Guns! Got to leave that to Government! 
I recognise where you're coming from, however, my point still stands. Hitler did not ban guns and he relaxed (in his favour) the earlier legislation of 1928, which was implemented by a previous government in order to suppress the public disorder generated by the Nazis and the poor economic conditions. My point is that many have used the canard 'Hitler banned the guns, just read Mein Kampf' in the gun debate and it is historically inaccurate. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership You know that Hitler didn't need gun control to gain power in March 1933, and those who believe it had anything to do with his rise to power are stretching the evidence. He didn't need to enact a total ban in order to gain power-he used other methods as you know. On the morning of the 29th of March, had anyone even attempted to initiate an uprising it would have been suppressed with the utmost severity. I have no interest in the current gun debate (actually, I'm sick of reading about it) and I believe that any changes to US gun laws will be rather minor. Let's face it, the anti-gun lobby is just not as powerful as the pro-gun lobby and that's a fact. |
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History lesson: Contrary to the populist rhetoric, Hitler didn't ban guns in Germany. It doesn't matter what was written in 'Mein Kampf', he relaxed the earlier legislation on gun restriction. He never banned private ownership of guns. The 1938 German Weapons Act The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law: Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition." The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18. Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year. The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition. Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year. On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, promulgated Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation, which only applied to newly conquered Austria and Sudetenland, effectively deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons. Clearly, the prohibition applied to the Jews and not the entire German population. As reprehensible as Nazis are, and my personal disgust over anti-Semites and those who deny the Holocaust, there is much misinformation being promulgated at the moment regarding 'Hitler banning guns'. In this debate, many have been quoting various laws imposed by the Nazis regarding full bans, but all have omitted the fact that they imposed these bans on occupied territories, not the German homeland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany Bibliography Halbrook, Stephen P. (2000) "Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews." Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, Vol 17. No. 3. pp.494-528. Harcourt, Bernard E (2004) "On the NRA, Adolph Hitler, Gun Registration, and the Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Culture Wars (A Call to Historians)" p 20-21. Harcourt is a professor at the University of Chicago. Alex Seitz-Wald (January 11, 2013). "The Hitler gun control lie". salon.com. Retrieved January 19, 2013. English translation of Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938 "Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938" In the Bold Section of your Post! Governmentworkers and Party-Members were exempt,Jews totally prohibited,and the General Populace dependent on Permits! And then,there was still the question of being issued a Permit for Hunting,since you usually can't hunt in Europe without one! So if you were not a Hunter,no Firearm,unless you're in one of the Government approved Gunclubs! And even then,it stays at the Club's Armory! Can't have plain Citizens do Mischief with Guns! Got to leave that to Government!
I recognise where you're coming from, however, my point still stands. Hitler did not ban guns and he relaxed (in his favour) the earlier legislation of 1928, which was implemented by a previous government in order to suppress the public disorder generated by the Nazis and the poor economic conditions. My point is that many have used the canard 'Hitler banned the guns, just read Mein Kampf' in the gun debate and it is historically inaccurate. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership You know that Hitler didn't need gun control to gain power in March 1933, and those who believe it had anything to do with his rise to power are stretching the evidence. He didn't need to enact a total ban in order to gain power-he used other methods as you know. On the morning of the 29th of March, had anyone even attempted to initiate an uprising it would have been suppressed with the utmost severity. I have no interest in the current gun debate (actually, I'm sick of reading about it) and I believe that any changes to US gun laws will be rather minor. Let's face it, the anti-gun lobby is just not as powerful as the pro-gun lobby and that's a fact. Yep,he just made sure that in the end only those he could trust owned Firearms! Indeed, but that became quite a few as the nation literally fell in love with him. I remember reading somewhere that the allies were astonished by the amount of guns in private possession after occupying Germany. Eisenhower had to confiscate them from the troops as they were finding their way back home en masse. |
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History lesson: Contrary to the populist rhetoric, Hitler didn't ban guns in Germany. It doesn't matter what was written in 'Mein Kampf', he relaxed the earlier legislation on gun restriction. He never banned private ownership of guns. The 1938 German Weapons Act The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law: Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition." The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18. Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year. The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition. Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year. On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, promulgated Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation, which only applied to newly conquered Austria and Sudetenland, effectively deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons. Clearly, the prohibition applied to the Jews and not the entire German population. As reprehensible as Nazis are, and my personal disgust over anti-Semites and those who deny the Holocaust, there is much misinformation being promulgated at the moment regarding 'Hitler banning guns'. In this debate, many have been quoting various laws imposed by the Nazis regarding full bans, but all have omitted the fact that they imposed these bans on occupied territories, not the German homeland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany Bibliography Halbrook, Stephen P. (2000) "Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews." Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, Vol 17. No. 3. pp.494-528. Harcourt, Bernard E (2004) "On the NRA, Adolph Hitler, Gun Registration, and the Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Culture Wars (A Call to Historians)" p 20-21. Harcourt is a professor at the University of Chicago. Alex Seitz-Wald (January 11, 2013). "The Hitler gun control lie". salon.com. Retrieved January 19, 2013. English translation of Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938 "Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938" In the Bold Section of your Post! Governmentworkers and Party-Members were exempt,Jews totally prohibited,and the General Populace dependent on Permits! And then,there was still the question of being issued a Permit for Hunting,since you usually can't hunt in Europe without one! So if you were not a Hunter,no Firearm,unless you're in one of the Government approved Gunclubs! And even then,it stays at the Club's Armory! Can't have plain Citizens do Mischief with Guns! Got to leave that to Government!
I recognise where you're coming from, however, my point still stands. Hitler did not ban guns and he relaxed (in his favour) the earlier legislation of 1928, which was implemented by a previous government in order to suppress the public disorder generated by the Nazis and the poor economic conditions. My point is that many have used the canard 'Hitler banned the guns, just read Mein Kampf' in the gun debate and it is historically inaccurate. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership You know that Hitler didn't need gun control to gain power in March 1933, and those who believe it had anything to do with his rise to power are stretching the evidence. He didn't need to enact a total ban in order to gain power-he used other methods as you know. On the morning of the 29th of March, had anyone even attempted to initiate an uprising it would have been suppressed with the utmost severity. I have no interest in the current gun debate (actually, I'm sick of reading about it) and I believe that any changes to US gun laws will be rather minor. Let's face it, the anti-gun lobby is just not as powerful as the pro-gun lobby and that's a fact. Yep,he just made sure that in the end only those he could trust owned Firearms! Indeed, but that became quite a few as the nation literally fell in love with him. I remember reading somewhere that the allies were astonished by the amount of guns in private possession after occupying Germany. Eisenhower had to confiscate them from the troops as they were finding their way back home en masse. No wonder that the Allies had to collect them literally by the ton! |
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