The school and theater shootings pale in comparison to the numbers of murders, rapes, etc., done each year by illegal aliens. Why isn't there a push to stop illegal immigration and deport the illegals???? (sarcasm)

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Ignoring the "minor crime" such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA:

In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

Still think illegal immigration is a "victimless crime" and we don't need to control our borders? Remember, about 60% of the crimes being committed are by illegal aliens who were previously deported.

Allowing our borders to be disregarded coupled with little national commitment about doing anything about it has resulted in growing mayhem by illegal alien criminals, not a "victimless crime."

As the previous sections have detailed, the dark side of illegal immigration includes a lot of horrific crime being perpetrated by the hard core criminal element of the illegal alien population. In the cost-benefit tradeoff of tolerating illegal immigration, how much collateral damage are we willing to accept?

In tolerating illegal immigration, how many Americans do YOU accept being molested, raped and murdered each year to save ten cents on a head of lettuce?
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http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime_summary.html

Over 50% of inmates in federal prisons are now illegal aliens.

I don't know what Hat you pulled that Figure from!
I lived there for 36 years,and your numbers are over the top!

Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in the Bahamas is 6.482 firearms per 100 people

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/bahamas

you must have included all the Illegal Firearms there!

Okay all you history experts......the other thing HITLER did was to abolish TRADE UNIONS.

When Hitler came to power in January 1933, he saw trade unions as exercising more power over the workers than he could. Trade unions were seen as a challenge to be dispensed with. Hitler knew that he needed the workers to be on his side but he could not allow trade unions to exert the potential power they had. Therefore, trade unions were banned in Nazi Germany and the state took over the role of looking after the working class.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/trade_unions_nazi_germany.htm

Trade Unions and Nazi Germany

When Hitler came to power in January 1933, he saw trade unions as exercising more power over the workers than he could. Therefore, trade unions were seen as a challenge to be dispensed with. Hitler knew that he needed the workers to be on his side but he could not allow trade unions to exert the potential power they had. Therefore, trade unions were banned in Nazi Germany and the state took over the role of looking after the working class.





Just months after Hitler was appointed Chancellor, he took the decision to end trade unions in Nazi Germany. On May 2nd, 1933, police units occupied all trade unions headquarters and union officials and leaders were arrested. The funds that belonged to the trade unions – effectively this was workers money – were confiscated. However, Hitler had to be careful. He had only been in power for a few months and there were many members of the working class he had to deal with. If the working class movement in Germany organised itself, it would have presented the new Chancellor with a lot of major issues that would have to be dealt with. Removing trade union leaders helped this but it did not fully guarantee that the working class would ‘behave’ itself. Hitler had to offer the workers something more. Hitler announced that the German Labour Force, headed by Robert Ley, would replace all trade unions and would look after the working class. The title was chosen carefully. The new organisation was deliberately cloaked in patriotism, as it was now a German entity as was seen in its title. The working class was now a ‘labour force’. The Nazi Party did all that it could to ensure the workers felt that they were better off under the guidance of the Nazi Party via the German Labour Front.





They had to be brought onto the side of the Nazis as Hitler had major plans for the workers. There were simply too many of them to brutalise into submission, so the workers were offered the ‘Strength Through Joy’ movement (Kraft durch Freude’) which offered them subsidised holidays, cheap theatre trips etc.





Hitler offered the working class an improved leisure life in one hand and took away their traditional rights in the other. Strikes – the traditional way for the working class to vent their anger over an issue – were banned. Strikes had been a thorn in the side of Weimar Germany in its final years. In 1928, the equivalent of 20,339,000 days had been lost as a result of strikes. In 1930, 4,029,000 days had been lost. In 1933, it was just 96,000 days and from 1934 to 1939 there were none. New laws had been brought in after the burning down of the Reichstag and one covered ‘un-German activities’ and strikes were classed as un-German. In January 1934, the Law Regulating National Labour (the ‘Charter of Labour’) banned strikes at statute level.





Trade unions had looked after the rights of the working class. The German Labour Front now did this. However, Hitler was still fearful of large group of unemployed men existing in the fledgling Nazi state. In January 1933, he inherited an unemployment rate of 26.3%. This had the potential for long-term trouble. Therefore, job creation schemes were introduced. An individual had no choice about a job placement as anyone labelled ‘work shy’ was sent to prison. But such an approach brought down unemployment figures. By 1936, it had dropped to 8.3% - an 18% fall. Between 1936 and 1939, this 8.3% would be mopped up by conscription. Also women were no longer included in employment/unemployment figures, so the figure had to tumble.

Hitler did exactly what the Bolsheviks did in Russia,or Castro in Cuba,created one Master-Union!

here is another take on it!
http://thegraph.com/2011/02/hitler-didnt-outlaw-unions-as-a-national-socialist-he-went-double-down-on-them/

all of it to be taken with a Grain of Salt!

Really has nothing to do with the Fact that Hitler as well as Stalin disarmed the People and concentrated the ownership of Firearms in the hands of a few Elite-Thugs!

I stand corrected with the rate. Still, not a total disarmament of people, just 'strict' regulation

but even with that,,,its again a numbers game that doesnt fall squarely on any side, because there are too many other factors (especially CULTURE) which factor in,,,

we still do have slavery here just in another form, and the end goal is going to be the same.

I think its more like peasantry, the workers are at least not considered property anymore,,,and are free to actually have wages they can use for themself,,,

but it is a similar classist structure

bet you're an Expert on Bahamian Culture!

Maybe take the Lesson of most of eastern ans southeastern Europe after WWII!

The Iron Curtain!

Usurp-Disarm-Rule!

sure am not,, but I can make a logical assessment from how diverse the numbers are from country to country , that its more than just the per capita ownership or regulations that factor into the homicide rates,,,,or violent crime rates even


For example, I just randomly selected a site about the six least violent nations

amongst them

gun homicide per 100k ownership per 100

New Zealand .16 22.6
Iceland 0 30.3
Japan .01 .6
Austria .22 30.4
Norway .05 31.3
Ireland .48 8.6


there is a range here from .6 guns per 100, to 31.3 guns per 100

yet , they all have rates under 1 homicide per 100000

Japan, has the lowest ownership rate of those listed at 0.6 per 100
and only a .01 per 100k gun homicide rate

yet Norways ownership rate is 31.3 per 100, and has a gun homicide rate five times as high(.05) yet still significantly low


,,that says to me, its not just one or two factors, its not just how many people have or can have guns, ,, there is another factor, which is most likely explained by CULTURAL differences

Actually yes we are, by way of your birth certificate, you become PROPERTY of the State. Do some research. Your certificate is used as collateral for their debt, and you are traded and sold in the stock market.

Why do you think you pay income tax for? You exist to make them money, anything else is of little consequence to them. Look up the movie slavery by consent, talks all about this.

a Logical Assessment of WHAT?

I pay income tax to contribute to the country I live in,, kind of like rent to stay in an apartment,, so those bills can be paid by the owner, or so that the people who built the home can be compensated and the security, stability, materials of that home paid for,,,,

You really don't have any clue what is going on. The income tax does one thing and one thing only, line the pockets of the state, in fact pretty much all taxes do that. Why do you think they always want more money for?? If the taxes truly went for what they say, they'd have no need to be raising them all the time now would they?

As I said, do your research, the information is all there if you choose to seek it out. This is the last I'll say to you on it otherwise, no point.

they dont raise them all the time, there are periods where they dont raise them and periods when they do

I agree,, no point

nothing is free, I accept that, and I accept the 'payment' of income tax to live with and maintain the 'freedoms' I have,,,

You certainly aren't free. What "freedoms" does paying tribute to a fraudulent monetary system get you? Are you proud to be contributing to the world's largest military industrial complex whose business is killing people all over the world? Setting aside the fact that you are a debt slave to the banks...Have you no moral conscience?

Even if I had to pay such tribute as income tax I would withhold it until my country straightened up and started flying right (which it never seems to do...We need a lot of Canadians to not pay income tax for moral reasons, and no doubt, you need a lot more Americans to do the same.)

History lesson:

Contrary to the populist rhetoric, Hitler didn't ban guns in Germany. It doesn't matter what was written in 'Mein Kampf', he relaxed the earlier legislation on gun restriction. He never banned private ownership of guns.

The 1938 German Weapons Act

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." But under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.
Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.

Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, promulgated Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation, which only applied to newly conquered Austria and Sudetenland, effectively deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.

Clearly, the prohibition applied to the Jews and not the entire German population. As reprehensible as Nazis are, and my personal disgust over anti-Semites and those who deny the Holocaust, there is much misinformation being promulgated at the moment regarding 'Hitler banning guns'. In this debate, many have been quoting various laws imposed by the Nazis regarding full bans, but all have omitted the fact that they imposed these bans on occupied territories, not the German homeland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

Bibliography

Halbrook, Stephen P. (2000) "Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews." Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, Vol 17. No. 3. pp.494-528.

Harcourt, Bernard E (2004) "On the NRA, Adolph Hitler, Gun Registration, and the Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Culture Wars (A Call to Historians)" p 20-21. Harcourt is a professor at the University of Chicago.

Alex Seitz-Wald (January 11, 2013). "The Hitler gun control lie". salon.com. Retrieved January 19, 2013.

English translation of Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938 "Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938"

that's where the Dog is buried!
In the Bold Section of your Post!
Governmentworkers and Party-Members were exempt,Jews totally prohibited,and the General Populace dependent on Permits!
And then,there was still the question of being issued a Permit for Hunting,since you usually can't hunt in Europe without one!
So if you were not a Hunter,no Firearm,unless you're in one of the Government approved Gunclubs!
And even then,it stays at the Club's Armory!
Can't have plain Citizens do Mischief with Guns!
Got to leave that to Government!

I recognise where you're coming from, however, my point still stands. Hitler did not ban guns and he relaxed (in his favour) the earlier legislation of 1928, which was implemented by a previous government in order to suppress the public disorder generated by the Nazis and the poor economic conditions. My point is that many have used the canard 'Hitler banned the guns, just read Mein Kampf' in the gun debate and it is historically inaccurate.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership

You know that Hitler didn't need gun control to gain power in March 1933, and those who believe it had anything to do with his rise to power are stretching the evidence. He didn't need to enact a total ban in order to gain power-he used other methods as you know. On the morning of the 29th of March, had anyone even attempted to initiate an uprising it would have been suppressed with the utmost severity.

I have no interest in the current gun debate-it's even all over JREF, and that normally sane and factual environment has become emotional and replete with rants. And I believe that any changes to US gun laws will be rather minor. Let's face it, the anti-gun lobby is just not as powerful as the pro-gun lobby and that's a fact.